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Woman who opened fire at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church fatally shot by police: What we know
Texas police on Monday continued investigating a shooting at Joel Osteen's megachurch in which off-duty officers killed the assailant while gunfire left a 5-year-old in critical condition and another person injured.

At approximately 1:53 p.m. local time, the unidentified woman, wearing a trench coat and a backpack, walked into Lakewood Church and opened fire, said Houston Police Chief Troy Finner at a news conference. She was accompanied by a young child.

A pair of off-duty officers at the church fatally shot the woman, whose age was estimated between 30 to 35 years of age, Finner said. She was confirmed dead at the scene.

During the incident, the 5-year-old boy was shot and later rushed to Texas Children's Hospital by Houston Fire Department personnel. It's unclear who shot the child.

A 57-year-old man was also struck by gunfire and later reported to be in critical condition.

Authorities have not released a motive for the shooting or the names of the assailant and the injured victims....
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1 dead, 5 injured in New York City subway station shooting

One person was killed and five others wounded in a shooting at a subway station in the Bronx Monday evening, police said.

Around 4:30 p.m. ET, officers responded to 911 calls of a shooting at the Mount Eden Avenue station and found six people shot, NYPD Chief of Transit Michael M. Kemper told reporters at a media briefing Monday night.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/6-shot-bronx- ... =107171649
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It was church member and apparently the church staff/security had played some role in her custody/divorce proceedings. The ar 15 was purchased legally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpYn_XxSaQ

Court documents reveal connection between shooter and Lakewood Church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJt5WXar81c

Texas megachurch shooting suspect allegedly became 'abusive' to husband, posted rifle photo to IG
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According to police, she was known to have mental health issues. Yet she was able to purchase an AR15 legally?
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Shooting reported at Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl Victory Rally; 'several people' struck

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Police are investigating a reported shooting at the victory rally for the Kansas City Chiefs at Union Station.

The Kansas City Fire Department confirmed a shooting happened and is calling it a "fluid situation."

https://www.kmbc.com/article/shooting-r ... y/46790065
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ap215 wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:24 pm Shooting reported at Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl Victory Rally; 'several people' struck

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Police are investigating a reported shooting at the victory rally for the Kansas City Chiefs at Union Station.

The Kansas City Fire Department confirmed a shooting happened and is calling it a "fluid situation."

https://www.kmbc.com/article/shooting-r ... y/46790065
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BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us- ... n=BBCS_BBC
The victory parade ended outside Union Station in downtown Kansas City, and local reports said the players were still on a stage that when shots rang out.

Missouri Governor Mike Parson has been safely evacuated after being present when shots were fired at Union Station, his office has said on X, formerly known as Twitter. Kansas Governor Laura Kelly says she has also been "evacuated and out of harm's way" after shots rang out at the Super Bowl victory parade in Kansas City.

Shifting briefly away from the news conference in Kansas City, a local law enforcement source has told the BBC's US partner, CBS News, that the shooting does not appear to be terror related.

The official said the shooting may have been the result of an argument or dispute between individuals that turned violent.
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This is why we can't have nice things.

Guns are more important to the right than human beings.
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https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/shooti ... ol-atlanta
ATLANTA - Four students were shot on Wednesday afternoon at Benjamin E Mays High School in southwest Atlanta, according to a statement from Atlanta Public Schools.

APS says that shortly after dismissal, shots were fired from an unknown vehicle, striking the students who were in the lower campus parking lot.

Atlanta Public Schools Police Department and Atlanta Fire Rescue immediately responded to the situation, and all victims were transported to the hospital and confirmed to have non-life-threatening injuries.
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gounion wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:48 pm This is why we can't have nice things.

Guns are more important to the right than human beings.
We support the 2nd amendment while the democratic party doesn't.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:03 pm We support the 2nd amendment while the democratic party doesn't.
Cool story.

Support or respect? You don't respect it. It's not being used as intended, not by any stretch.

Refusing to address the issues is accepting the issues. It's an acceptance of the murder of children. It's just that simple. Make excuses, whichever excuses you see fit, but the status quo is killing children. Enforce the laws already on the books? Fine. Which ones are not being enforced? Links from reputable sources. Why aren't they being enforced? Justify the murder of children at the behest of the Second Amendment. I want to know why this cannot be fixed, so there is no point in trying.

We, outside the US, don't understand what the issue is, don't understand why you cannot control this problem, and, most importantly, why there is no will to change it. Explain why children need to be fear being shot wherever they go, including to bed. "Because the second amendment" is a bullshit reason. There is *NO* reason that it needs to continue. NONE. ZERO.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:03 pm We support the 2nd amendment while the democratic party doesn't.
Yes, you support the Second Amendment giving crooks, terrorists, the mentally unstable, teens, etc. weapons that allow for mass shooting of children and innocent people.

I guess the shooting in KC means you're giving "thoughts and prayers" to the victims while supporting the shooter(s). In you're view, it's "too early" to discuss assault weapons and gun legislation.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:42 pm Yes, you support the Second Amendment giving crooks, terrorists, the mentally unstable, teens, etc. weapons that allow for mass shooting of children and innocent people.

I guess the shooting in KC means you're giving "thoughts and prayers" to the victims while supporting the shooter(s). In you're view, it's "too early" to discuss assault weapons and gun legislation.
I believe it is illegal for the people you mentioned to posses weapons
Personally I do not own a weapon. I did when I owned a store in a bad neighborhood.
However while it is my choice not to own a weapon being pro choice I do not want to impose my personal beliefs on others
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Kansas City radio station confirms death of DJ Lisa Lopez-Galvan at Chiefs' Super Bowl parade

Kansas City radio station KKFI confirmed Wednesday night that DJ Lisa Lopez-Galvan, host of “Taste of Tejano,” was killed in the shooting at the Chiefs’ Super Bowl parade.

Authorities said earlier that one person died and 21 others were hit by gunfire after a shooting broke out at the end of the event.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/kansas-city-r ... =107248321
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Gun shops that sell the most guns used in crime revealed in new list

The federal government has stepped up its scrutiny of gun stores that sell guns used in crimes, with the number of stores singled out more than doubling in the past four years.

Which gun stores sell the most crime guns has been kept secret for more than two decades, since 2003 under the George W. Bush administration. But a Freedom of Information Act request from USA TODAY unearthed a glimpse of them and showed that the vast majority of guns used in crimes are sold by a small fraction of America’s gun shops.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inv ... 581120007/
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The Nooz was vague, since officials weren't talking about details, but they said something about 2-3 shooters. Something vague about juveniles. This kind of thing in LA usually means a gang bang.

Along with the dead DJ, who was something of a local celebrity, there were 20 injured. This country has sunk to a pretty low point if you can't even have a football parade without a mass shooting.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:03 pm We support the 2nd amendment while the democratic party doesn't.
Go tell those kids who were shot how proud you are to support the 2nd Amendment.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:03 pm We support the 2nd amendment while the democratic party doesn't.
No, you support a reading from the SCOTUS that is directly in opposition to the wording of the amendment itself.

Unrestrained gun ownership is not permitted by the words of the second amendment. The first amendment rights have limits. The second amendment is not sacrosanct such that no limitations are permitted.

Background checks do not prevent someone from owning a gun. Limiting magazine size does not prevent someone from owning a gun.requiring training in the use of weaponry does not prevent someone from owning a gun. Age restrictions are common sense.

Studying gun deaths does not prevent someone from owning a gun.
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The Second Amendment talks about a well-ordered militia. We have a well-ordered militia. It's called the National Guard.

There is no inherent right to show up at a football parade armed to the teeth, and start blasting away for whatever lame juvenile reason. There is no inherent right for non-military personnel to pass marching orders and ordnance requirements over the Internet, and show up at the nation's Capitol in full body armor and armed with various deadly weapons, not to mention zip ties for taking prisoners, because their Dear Leader had told them that a certified election was rigged.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:34 am The Nooz was vague, since officials weren't talking about details, but they said something about 2-3 shooters. Something vague about juveniles. This kind of thing in LA usually means a gang bang.

Along with the dead DJ, who was something of a local celebrity, there were 20 injured. This country has sunk to a pretty low point if you can't even have a football parade without a mass shooting.
A dispute that involved "huge assault rifles" in public that injured mostly children.
...Filter and his family were leaving the parade for their home in Wichita when shots first broke out, scattering the crowd. When he heard a woman shout that someone had a gun, he “just went for it."

As another man tried to restrain the suspected shooter’s hands, Filter reached underneath the man but couldn’t find any gun.

“I started hitting him in the ribs,” Filter said.

He didn’t let up until police pulled him off by his feet. Meanwhile, Filter’s wife picked up a “huge assault rifle” nearby....
Kansas City Chiefs parade shooting stemmed from personal dispute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjTk3we8-Fw
Police, organizers making safety preparations for Super Bowl parade

what would help safety for situations like these would be if assault rifles werent legal to buy and own.
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bird wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:13 pm No, you support a reading from the SCOTUS that is directly in opposition to the wording of the amendment itself.

Unrestrained gun ownership is not permitted by the words of the second amendment. The first amendment rights have limits. The second amendment is not sacrosanct such that no limitations are permitted.

Background checks do not prevent someone from owning a gun. Limiting magazine size does not prevent someone from owning a gun.requiring training in the use of weaponry does not prevent someone from owning a gun. Age restrictions are common sense.

Studying gun deaths does not prevent someone from owning a gun.

How about having to register everytime you buy a bullet.
The liberal wing of the democratic party wants to ban gun ownership. But, they aren't stupid and know voters would turn on them. So they are attempting to do it through regulation.
There is a reason there is not even one gun store on or around San Francisco it because they are banned.
Now some here will put on their best Eddie Haskell face and say they aren't banned it is just a coincidence that there aren't any.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:37 pm The Second Amendment talks about a well-ordered militia. We have a well-ordered militia. It's called the National Guard.

There is no inherent right to show up at a football parade armed to the teeth, and start blasting away for whatever lame juvenile reason. There is no inherent right for non-military personnel to pass marching orders and ordnance requirements over the Internet, and show up at the nation's Capitol in full body armor and armed with various deadly weapons, not to mention zip ties for taking prisoners, because their Dear Leader had told them that a certified election was rigged.
You are correct and all 6 of the over 1200 people were charged with seditious conspiracy.

When that guy shit on the desk I thought our nation was doomed. We almost lost our country that day.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:28 pm How about having to register everytime you buy a bullet.
The liberal wing of the democratic party wants to ban gun ownership. But, they aren't stupid and know voters would turn on them. So they are attempting to do it through regulation.
There is a reason there is not even one gun store on or around San Francisco it because they are banned.
Now some here will put on their best Eddie Haskell face and say they aren't banned it is just a coincidence that there aren't any.
Re: the liberal wing of the Democratic Party wants to ban gun ownership.

No, you don’t get to say what you say without stating it is your opinion.

Now, I, myself, would ban all guns. They serve no purpose but to kill. No, the purpose is not to protect against a tyrannical government because the founders did not think they were creating a tyrannical government. ALL rights enumerated in the bill of relights can be and are subject to limitation, modification and/or elimination. If people want to own guns, they are permitted with appropriate regulation. It would just be in my world where they would be banned.

And, of course, I didn’t expect you to actually respond to what I posted because you basically never do.

Banning gun stores does not mean that people cannot own guns so you fail again. I would bet that guns can be purchased elsewhere and owned in San Francisco.

So, go back to my previous post and respond to what I said.
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bird wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:13 pm No, you support a reading from the SCOTUS that is directly in opposition to the wording of the amendment itself.

Unrestrained gun ownership is not permitted by the words of the second amendment. The first amendment rights have limits. The second amendment is not sacrosanct such that no limitations are permitted.

Background checks do not prevent someone from owning a gun. Limiting magazine size does not prevent someone from owning a gun.requiring training in the use of weaponry does not prevent someone from owning a gun. Age restrictions are common sense.


Studying gun deaths does not prevent someone from owning a gun.
OK no problem

Over regulations is the same as banning because the result will be the same.
To say or believe that in a city as large as San Francisco and it's surrounding area hasn't effectively banned gun stores is simply ignoring the fact.
Background checks are needed but the problem is like in California those opposed to the 2nd amendment use it to ban guns. As evidenced by the recently shot down bullet regulations. ( get it shot down)
Banning magazine sizes as well as so called assault weapons while on paper make sense.

In reality it will just be used as another tool to do away with the 2nd amendment. As the definition of what an assault weapon is will change until all you can own is a single shot. 22.
Same with magazines.

Because we all know as soon as any so called reasonable regulations are passed. The anti gun lobby will simply go back to work the next day and work for stricter regulations.

Lastly as I got to run for a minute whatbthev2nd amendment means has been defined BY SCOTUS many times and legally according to the courts it means we as individual citizens have the right to keep and bear arms.
As for me I currently do not own any guns but am pro choice on the subject.
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