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You could consider this a takeoff on Amen Corner: Liberal and Progressive Religion Stories in the News.

Place here all your stories about rightwing whackodoodle conservative Christian facsists. We have them and their supporters right here in this messageboard environment, and the current GOP is ovverrun with them. They're also the ones behind disenfranchising minority voters, second-classing nontraditional sexualities, and raping the environment.

And yet, our chest-beating self-righteous environmentalists around here give these people a free pass at the end of the day. :problem:. Horseshoes. :problem: Wouldn't be the first time with environmentalists.

Anyway. Even worse than that, a lot of white-Evangelical churches have in turn been overrun with violent cult ideologies like QAnon. So it's worth it to expose these people for what they are.

I'll start. "Religious liberty" to these people simply means their perceived right to get the government to force you to conform to their lifestyle choice. And hey, why wouldn't they think this way. They've got hundreds and hundreds of years of cultural and legal precedent that let them get away with this violence.

The religious right wants states’ tax dollars, and the Supreme Court is likely to agree - Vox
An emboldened religious right wants the public to pay for its schools.
Well, today's conservatives are dishonest grifters at base. So, that makes sense.
The plaintiffs in Carson v. Makin, a case being heard next Wednesday, December 8, begin their brief to the Supreme Court with an absolutely ridiculous historical comparison.

“In the 19th century, Maine’s public schools expelled students for adhering to their faith,” they claim, citing one example of a Catholic student expelled for not completing lessons off a Protestant bible. Now, according to the brief, Maine is committing a similarly repugnant sin against religious people by refusing to pay state residents’ tuition at private religious schools.

Under this reasoning, there is no relevant difference between denying a public education to a Catholic student and refusing to pay for private religious education. “The times are different,” the plaintiffs’ brief claims, “but the result is the same: denial of educational opportunity through religious discrimination.”

Carson, in other words, represents a significant escalation in the war over whether the government can enact policies of which religious people — and religious conservatives on the Supreme Court — disapprove. It moves the battleground from whether religious conservatives can seek exemptions from individual laws to whether they can also demand that the public actively fund their faith.

Typically, the Court’s “religious liberty” docket involves laws and policies that prohibit religious parties from acting in a way they believe is consistent with their faith. A church wishes to hold a crowded service, for example, in violation of a public health order limiting the number of people who can gather at one time during a pandemic. Or, an employer wishes to provide its employees with a health plan that excludes birth control in violation of a federal regulation requiring the insurance to cover contraceptive care.
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Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans - Georgia Public Broadcasting
Other conservative politicians try to avoid the thorny issue by keeping the conversation on the issue of choice. "It's not about whether the vaccines work or not," says Mark Burns, a conservative pastor closely affiliated with Donald Trump who is running for Congress. "What matters for me is that you are stripping citizens [of] the right to choose what's best for their own life."

Burns likened the choice about vaccination to smoking: "Cigarettes kill people every day, but yet you can go to the supermarket right now and buy it with no issue, that's their choice. If they want to go put cancer into their lungs, they have a right to do so." He felt his position would help him win the primary in the conservative South Carolina district where he hopes to be elected.
Mark Burns is a fascist-adjacent Trump surrogate who got caught lying on his resumé. Prominent Donald Trump Surrogate Confronted By CNN For Falsely Claiming Membership In A Black Fraternity - Watch The Yard.
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12-Year Old Student Commits Suicide After Being Bullied For Being Gay.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/be ... e-suicide/.

SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) – The Bedford County community is pleading for bullying to stop after a 12-year-old boy took his own life Sunday.

Eli Fritchley was a seventh-grader at Cascades Middle school where he played the trombone in the marching band. His parents describe him as a peaceful soul who wasn’t afraid to be himself.

He didn’t care, or at least we thought he didn’t care, and that’s what’s really difficult for us because we thought he didn’t care,” his parents said as they teared up.

Religious Reich Wing Conservatives bully kids for being Gay. FUCK THEM!!
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What I object to is the use of "sincerely held religious beliefs" as a catchall to avoid having to obey law or rules. For example, a school has a COVID-19 vaccination requirement but they have to allow unvaccinated students to attend because they hold "sincerely held religious beliefs" against the COVID-19 vaccine. I mean, where is it written in your religion that states you aren't allowed to take the COVID-19 vaccine. Yet, these same person's who hold "sincerely held religious beliefs" have no problem taking a Flu vaccine or the other vaccinations.
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Number6 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:32 pm What I object to is the use of "sincerely held religious beliefs" as a catchall to avoid having to obey law or rules. For example, a school has a COVID-19 vaccination requirement but they have to allow unvaccinated students to attend because they hold "sincerely held religious beliefs" against the COVID-19 vaccine. I mean, where is it written in your religion that states you aren't allowed to take the COVID-19 vaccine. Yet, these same person's who hold "sincerely held religious beliefs" have no problem taking a Flu vaccine or the other vaccinations.
And also, there's no way to prove "sincerely held religious beliefs." Another dishonest misuse of religion that is used by conservatives to force their lifestyle on everyone else. That's the goal.
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:37 pm And also, there's no way to prove "sincerely held religious beliefs." Another dishonest misuse of religion that is used by conservatives to force their lifestyle on everyone else. That's the goal.
Exactly. Yet, if you try to use your "sincerely held religious beliefs" so you wouldn't have to do something they (usually the Christianistas) they'll reject your "sincerely held religious beliefs." It's their way of saying "How dare you behave like us."
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That standard has always bothered me.

You might have a "sincerely held belief" that all modern medicine is the work of the devil, and that only praying and asking for Mary Baker Eddy to come back and help will heal people. (Yes, I have some cousins who fell into the Christian Science trap. Some clambered out.)

Sincerity is a ridiculous standard. You can sincerely believe things that are severely wrong and erroneous, and worse societally dangerous. I really don't care if you sincerely believe it - the other things are more important. That lady might "sincerely believe" the COVID vaccine turns her body into a walking magnet, but who cares? She's wrong.
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ProfX wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:14 pm That standard has always bothered me.

You might have a "sincerely held belief" that all modern medicine is the work of the devil, and that only praying and asking for Mary Baker Eddy to come back and help will heal people. (Yes, I have some cousins who fell into the Christian Science trap. Some clambered out.)

Sincerity is a ridiculous standard. You can sincerely believe things that are severely wrong and erroneous, and worse societally dangerous. I really don't care if you sincerely believe it - the other things are more important. That lady might "sincerely believe" the COVID vaccine turns her body into a walking magnet, but who cares? She's wrong.
You can also have one of those infamous crises of faith and exchange one sincerely held religious belief for another, tomorrow morning.

Don't get me wrong: crises of faith are as sincere and genuine as the original belief. Having had a couple in my life, I know this anecdotally. But one can also lie to high heaven about one's "sincerity." Gay lawmakers who make antigay laws, queer people who get up in a pulpit and preach sodom and gomorrah/adam and steve, come to mind.
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LIBERTY COUNSEL’S DONOR RECORDS AND PRO-TRUMP ELECTION MESSAGING EXPOSED IN DATA BREACH - The Interdept
Thanks to its tax status, the Southern Poverty Law Center-designated hate group has largely avoided public scrutiny.

LIBERTY COUNSEL, an evangelical Christian nonprofit that provided a brief cited by the Supreme Court in its decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, has been hacked, revealing a 25-gigabyte internal database that contains nearly seven years’ worth of donor records. The hacker, who identifies with the Anonymous movement, released the data on the hacktivist site Enlace Hacktivista, and the transparency collective Distributed Denial of Secrets is providing it to journalists who request access.

“Noticing a worrying trend of far-right and anti-abortion activists aligning themselves with the evangelical Christian movement, hiding their funding sources behind laws that allow church ministries to keep their donations secret,” the hacker wrote in a press release, “we decided to bring about some much-needed radical transparency.”

In addition to fighting abortion, Liberty Counsel — a Southern Poverty Law Center-designated hate group — has focused its legal efforts on challenging LGBTQ+ rights and vaccine mandates in the name of religious freedom. Because it is registered with the IRS as an “association of churches,” Liberty Counsel is not required to file a public tax return, meaning that its finances are largely shielded from the scrutiny applied to other tax-exempt organizations.

The hacked data includes content from Liberty Counsel’s website, emails the group sent to its supporters, and documentation of about $12 million in donations from some 44,000 donors since 2015. These donations, limited to those tracked on Liberty Counsel’s digital platform, represent only a portion of those the organization receives.

The records show that 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations controlled by Liberty Counsel encouraged supporters to vote for former President Donald Trump despite IRS rules that prohibit such entities from directly or indirectly endorsing candidates for political office. They also reveal how Liberty Counsel has skillfully employed misinformation and partisan polarization over election integrity and the Covid-19 pandemic to build its email list and raise millions of dollars in small contributions — and done so at a breakneck pace since November 2020.

Liberty Counsel did not respond to multiple requests for comment for this article.

Apart from Liberty Counsel’s data, the hack includes another 425 gigabytes of records from dozens of Christian organizations that used the same customer relationship management software, many of them mission agencies aimed at converting humanity to Christianity.
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10 Things You Should Know About the Rabidly Anti-LGBT Liberty Counsel - HRC
1. Liberty Counsel Chairman Mat Staver says LGBT young people have “confusion” because of “the likes of a Jerry Sandusky abuser,” so they need to be cured by dangerous attempts to change their sexual orientation – a practice that has been condemned by every major medical and mental health organization in the country.

2. Liberty Counsel actively and aggressively defended exporter of hate Scott Lively in U.S. District Court when he was defending himself against charges of “crimes against humanity” for his involvement pushing Uganda’s odious anti-LGBT law, which promises life in prison for Ugandans convicted of being gay. Lively told Ugandans that “predatory gays” are “looking for other people to be able to prey upon” and bragged that, “our campaign was like a nuclear bomb against the ‘gay’ agenda in Uganda.” Liberty Counsel called the suit an attempt by the “intolerant homosexual lobby” to “intimidate” people from going overseas.

3. Liberty Counsel supports and defends archaic laws criminalizing homosexuality with harsh punishments around the world, and has condemned President Obama and the U.S. government for speaking out against such laws, saying, “America should not be trying to make that country act in an immoral way.”
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