WTF is wrong with the world

[gounion]

I dunno. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/0 ... h-00150245

A third U.S. official noted that the strike on aid workers seemed intentional, since it included three bombs: “Three hits on three cars in a row is not an accident. We aren’t stupid,” the official said.

The workers were traveling in clearly marked cars on a route designated as safe for aid trucks when they were attacked.

Sounds a wee bit trigger-happy to me.

[Toonces]

I dunno. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/0 ... h-00150245



Sounds a wee bit trigger-happy to me.

The only thing argument made against it being intentional is the denial that it was intentional, and I know I'd be hesitant to trust IDF.

Evidence seems to suggest that they were, at the absolute minimum, very negligent. The IDF knows what they're doing. They can make mistakes, but three of the same mistake in quick succession. Naw.

Why would they do something like that? They're trying to prevent aid. It's that simple.

[JoeMemphis]

That’s because you’re ignorant of actual history, Joe. Zowie knows a LOT more about history than you ever did - you pride yourself on being ignorant.

Does his mouth move when you speak for him??? I know enough History to know who was involved in the Holocaust and the Final Solution. Hitler, Goering, Himmler, Heydrich and Eichman are not Arab or Palestinian names. They are German.

You should probably stay out of conversations that are over your head (which is most of them). You make yourself look stupid which is not a heavy lift for you. Less said the better.

[gounion]

Does his mouth move when you speak for him??? I know enough History to know who was involved in the Holocaust and the Final Solution. Hitler, Goering, Himmler, Heydrich and Eichman are not Arab or Palestinian names. They are German.

You should probably stay out of conversations that are over your head (which is most of them). You make yourself look stupid which is a heavy lift for you. Less said the better.

You're the one that is proud of your ignorance, not me.

And there's MORE to the Israeli history than that. I mean, I doubt if you can explain how the Holocaust leading to Israel getting Arab land for nothing, and the people that actually lived there becoming an occupied people.

You're so stupid you think Hitler is all there is.

[JoeMemphis]

You're the one that is proud of your ignorance, not me.

And there's MORE to the Israeli history than that. I mean, I doubt if you can explain how the Holocaust leading to Israel getting Arab land for nothing, and the people that actually lived there becoming an occupied people.

You're so stupid you think Hitler is all there is.

I didn’t make that claim. But the conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews has been going on long before Hitler and to conflate the two makes no sense. It’s tribal and it goes back hundreds of years. Both Jews and Palestinians are fighting over the same patch of ground. It’s not as if the Palestinians are eager for peace with Israel. So to act as if this aggression is somehow the Israelis fault to me makes no sense and to bring genocide and the Holocaust into the conversation makes no sense. It’s deeper than that and clearly over your head and beyond your comprehension.

[gounion]

I didn’t make that claim. But the conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews has been going on long before Hitler and to conflate the two makes no sense. It’s tribal and it goes back hundreds of years. Both Jews and Palestinians are fighting over the same patch of ground. It’s not as if the Palestinians are eager for peace with Israel. So to act as if this aggression is somehow the Israelis fault to me makes no sense and to bring genocide and the Holocaust into the conversation makes no sense. It’s deeper than that and clearly over your head and beyond your comprehension.

No, you DON’T know your history. It’s astonishing.

You’re the one that doesn’t make sense. When Israel is killing aid workers in aid vehicles on a road that Israel has designated as a safe road for aid workers, that’s a problem. Yet you seem to revel in letting Israel do whatever it wants to do.

That’s not what real adults would do. Truly sad.

[JoeMemphis]

No, you DON’T know your history. It’s astonishing.

You’re the one that doesn’t make sense. When Israel is killing aid workers in aid vehicles on a road that Israel has designated as a safe road for aid workers, that’s a problem. Yet you seem to revel in letting Israel do whatever it wants to do.

That’s not what real adults would do. Truly sad.

What is going on in Israel today has nothing to do with the Holocaust or the Final Solution. It is war. It is tribal. This conflict goes back hundreds of years.

If you or anyone else has a peaceful solution that is acceptable to both the Palestinians currently represented by Hamas and the Israelis, then by all means offer it up to the world. I haven’t heard it yet.

[gounion]

What is going on in Israel today has nothing to do with the Holocaust or the Final Solution. It is war. It is tribal. This conflict goes back hundreds of years.

If you or anyone else has a peaceful solution that is acceptable to both the Palestinians currently represented by Hamas and the Israelis, then by all means offer it up to the world. I haven’t heard it yet.

How is it impossible now? Gee, tell Jimmy Carter that peace is impossible.

The only one making peace impossible is the warmonger Bibi Netanyahu.

But hey, you WANT war war war, doncha?

[ZoWie]

Were it all only that simple.

There are several tribes, and like all tribes, they don't trust other ones, who are considered the competition. You know, kind of like business management only with weapons instead of spreadsheets.

Iran has a definite fascist streak. We must remember that Europe used to rule the world. Iran used to be named Persia, before it became essentially a British colony, and indeed it does claim a link to that ancient civilization. It seems evident now that the British fracked up the Middle East every bit as effectively as the French did Indochina. As a distant consequence of the resulting dialectic, when the Nazis came in, Persia changed the name to Iran because it meant Aryan and they wanted to claim a link to Hitler's Master Race. There are some common tribal origins, but I don't know how much of this claim is valid and how much is fanciful. It does illuminate how generally messed up this region is.

The current borders in the Middle East are largely artificial, drawn in haste after the end of the British Mandate, fought over for the entire period between WWs I and II, and then rejiggered some more after WWII. Israel was founded in this postwar period when it became clear that the Jews had suffered one of history's greatest wrongs. What else could the international system do about the problem? It was essential to further partition the region and give the Jews their patch of dirt. Unfortunately, it is probably inherent in the partition process that the final details will be decided by lethal force.

Israel's real problem is its constitution. You think ours is a mess. They don't have a working system for choosing a leader. It's one of those Parliamentary systems where the majority forms a government, but in Israel's case it's very difficult to achieve a majority, and so the guy who games the system the best forms a coalition and wins. That guy has been Netanyahu for far too long. He's armed and dangerous. He's also possibly corrupt. He fronts for some people who make the Federalist Society look like angels of mercy. We were about to find out how corrupt he is or isn't, but that's when the attack happened and the whole situation got rebooted. How convenient.

The rest of the script is still under revision.

[Motor City]

Andrés says Gaza aid workers were targeted 'systematically, car by car'; outrage mounts

Family members and government leaders of the seven World Central Kitchen members killed in an Israeli missile strike were pressing Israel for answers Wednesday as details of the attack began to emerge.

The seven were killed Monday while traveling in a convoy from an aid warehouse in central Gaza. They were identified as Jacob Flinkinger, 33, a dual U.S.-Canada citizen; Palestinian Saifeddin Issam Ayad Abutaha, 25; Laizawmi "Zomi" Frankcom, 43, of Australia; Damian Soból, 35, of Poland, and British nationals John Chapman, 57; James "Jim" Henderson, 33; and James Kirby, 47.

“These are the heroes of World Central Kitchen," the organization's CEO, Erin Gore, said in a statement. "Their smiles, laughter, and voices are forever embedded in our memories. And we have countless memories of them giving their best selves to the world. We are reeling from our loss. The world's loss.”

José Andrés, founder of World Central Kitchen, said the workers were targeted "systematically, car by car.".......

[Glennfs]

How is it impossible now? Gee, tell Jimmy Carter that peace is impossible.

The only one making peace impossible is the warmonger Bibi Netanyahu.

But hey, you WANT war war war, doncha?

Typical comment from you. Why is it you don't badmouth Hamas or its leaders? Only Israel's leader. I guess you agree with the squad that Biden is a supporter of genocide. Another thing you have never badmouthed.
But Netanyahu is a warmonger, that you have no problem saying.

[gounion]

Typical comment from you. Why is it you don't badmouth Hamas or its leaders? Only Israel's leader. I guess you agree with the squad that Biden is a supporter of genocide. Another thing you have never badmouthed.
But Netanyahu is a warmonger, that you have no problem saying.

Hamas are obviously warmongers too. They use innocent women and children for human shields. But Netanyahu is happy to starve innocent women and children too.

You assign Hamas as 100% evil and Netanyahu as 100% good.

The real world isn’t like that.

An eye for an eye for another eye, until everyone is blind.

[Motor City]

Cutting off humanitarian aid but not deadly weapon aid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFHSX-Gqz8o

As Gaza Faces Famine, Israel Cuts Ties with UNRWA and U.S. Halts Funding for Critical Aid Agency

Despite a U.N.-backed report sounding the alarm on imminent famine in northern Gaza, Israeli authorities announced Sunday they will no longer approve the passage of any UNRWA food convoys into northern Gaza.

"Our ability to adequately continue saving lives is really being obstructed," says UNRWA spokesperson Tamara Alrifai. "What's going to happen to UNRWA if we can no longer truly operate?"

The decision came as President Biden signed a $1.2 trillion appropriations bill that strips funding to UNRWA for the next year. The U.S. first suspended aid to UNRWA in late January, when the Israeli government claimed 12 of the agency's 30,000 employees were involved in Hamas's attacks on October 7.

The unsubstantiated allegation prompted top donors to cut funding to UNRWA, though many of them have resumed funding as the agency welcomes new donor countries and an unprecedented number of civil society donations. Seeing the U.S., the agency's largest donor, "withhold funding … is a huge blow to us," says Alrifai.

"Stripping UNRWA of funding not only shrinks its ability to respond to the looming famine in Gaza, but also puts at risk the schools, the access of kids to proper education, the vaccines, the mother and child care — everything across the region."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18J-vSivzaE

Parents of Canadian killed in Gaza say Israel is targeting aid workers/CBC

The parents of Canadian aid worker Jacob Flickinger say their son's death in an Israeli airstrike was a continued campaign targeting aid workers in Gaza. Flickinger had just finished delivering food with World Central Kitchen in a humanitarian corridor when he and six other foreign aid workers were killed.

[bradman]

WTF is wrong with the world. > To many conservatives.

[JoeMemphis]

WTF is wrong with the world. > To many conservatives.

And not enough taxpayers to fund all the liberals.

[gounion]

And not enough taxpayers to fund all the liberals.

Why are you guys - supposed businessmen, for racking up the national debt?

[bradman]

And not enough taxpayers to fund all the liberals.

Right on, enlightenment for all is expensive and there's not enough conservatives willing to fund our quest for nirvana here on earth dude.


Peace out.

[gounion]

Conservatives will only pay for happiness for themselves. They don't even want to pay a living wage for the people they hire to make them happy.

[JoeMemphis]

Right on, enlightenment for all is expensive and there's not enough conservatives willing to fund our quest for nirvana here on earth dude.


Peace out.

True dat. Spread the word.

[Glennfs]

Conservatives will only pay for happiness for themselves. They don't even want to pay a living wage for the people they hire to make them happy.

Please define what you consider a living wage

[gounion]

Please define what you consider a living wage

Have you heard of "google"?

[bradman]

Please define what you consider a living wage

This one is easy. It's the difference between Walmart and Costco wages. Google will explain it to ya.

[bradman]

True dat. Spread the word.

Word. Conservatives are tightwads.

[JoeMemphis]

Word. Conservatives are tightwads.

Perhaps. I don’t mind paying for results. I don’t like throwing money at problems and calling them solved. So yeah, if that makes me a tightwad, then tightwad it is. I’m okay with that.

[bradman]

Perhaps. I don’t mind paying for results. I don’t like throwing money at problems and calling them solved. So yeah, if that makes me a tightwad, then tightwad it is. I’m okay with that.

Dad wasn't. He preferred we use the word frugal. It was a nice way of saying cheapskate.