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There are some people who think politics is like a team sport. Our team is the Democrats, or the Dallas Cowboys, or whatever. Your team is the Republicans, or the Pittsburgh Steelers, or whatever.

Thus, the goal is to just support our team no matter what it does, or what players do off the field, (or on it), and basically just be cheerleaders for anything they say or do. Nah, that is never the way I have viewed it.

In the end, politics is a contest of ideas, but unlike academia, also policies. Now see, when you enact policies, you put ideas to the test in this place we like to call the real world. In the end, I am a fan of certain policies, because there is demonstrable evidence they work to help create a better society. Yes, guilty as charged.

I don't want to be too dismissive of politicians, but in the end, it's more policies than politicians that matter. I never get too lost in the adoration or veneration of politicians. For one thing, yes, it leads to demagoguery.
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Today in Never Take Political Advice From Online Conservative Whites:
Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:52 am I am going to start a thread explaining what a political fanboy is, I am not one because I am objective enough to accept some progressive ideas as good and some conservative ideas as poor.
:lol:

Ralph Norman is a Trump sycophant and a Steve Bannon sycophant.

So yes, you go do that, Ralph Norman voter.
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ProfX wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:05 am There are some people who think politics is like a team sport. Our team is the Democrats, or the Dallas Cowboys, or whatever. Your team is the Republicans, or the Pittsburgh Steelers, or whatever.

Thus, the goal is to just support our team no matter what it does, or what players do off the field, (or on it), and basically just be cheerleaders for anything they say or do. Nah, that is never the way I have viewed it.

In the end, politics is a contest of ideas, but unlike academia, also policies. Now see, when you enact policies, you put ideas to the test in this place we like to call the real world. In the end, I am a fan of certain policies, because there is demonstrable evidence they work to help create a better society. Yes, guilty as charged.

I don't want to be too dismissive of politicians, but in the end, it's more policies than politicians that matter. I never get too lost in the adoration or veneration of politicians. For one thing, yes, it leads to demagoguery.
Correct but a fanboy will oppose every idea or proposal which is presented by the side he is not a fan of. Meaning that fanboy has no true objectivity or perspective. We have many people here who could easily fill out their ballots for the next 10 or more election cycles.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:50 am Correct but a fanboy will oppose every idea or proposal which is presented by the side he is not a fan of. Meaning that fanboy has no true objectivity or perspective. We have many people here who could easily fill out their ballots for the next 10 or more election cycles.
and you’ll believe anything you hear about the Clintons. Look in the mirror, fanboy.

You still haven’t answered my question: how, exactly, would Trump UNINTENTIONALLY sell state secrets to foreign governments?
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gounion wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:55 am and you’ll believe anything you hear about the Clintons. Look in the mirror, fanboy.

You still haven’t answered my question: how, exactly, would Trump UNINTENTIONALLY sell state secrets to foreign governments?
Not at all for example I do not believe that Bill ever raped anyone and I voted for HRC and believe she would have made an excellent president. As for your question yes I believe that trump is dumb enough to unintentionally leak secrets but, I don't see how a person could unintentionally sell them. Unless that person did not know they were classified.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:50 am Correct but a fanboy will oppose every idea or proposal which is presented by the side he is not a fan of.
There aren't only two sides to many intellectual questions, including political ones.

This is my first and major problem to this argument.
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gounion wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:09 am Not according to Fortune Magazine. While it's unknown at this time whether he has or not, it's not a golf course - it's a farm:



So Donald Trump would never do anything to cheat on his taxes.
Those numbers do not add up. I kept running them and could not get them to work. So I looked up the course and it is just under 470 acres. 470 times 456 is about $214,000. $6 times 470 is $2820 the numbers in the article just don't add up. So the entire op/ed is probably equally wrong.
Sidebar are op/eds now considered a credible source here? asking for a friend
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ProfX wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:04 am There aren't only two sides to many intellectual questions, including political ones.

This is my first and major problem to this argument.
No, but people who only and always support the conservative or progressive point of view on every question are not objective or informed people.
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There isn't only a "progressive" or "conservative" position on many political questions.

Libertarians (of which there are two types in Europe, but we generally have only one type here, represented by the U.S. Libertarian Party. The other kind are anarcho-syndicalists & are not Ayn Rand ... fanboys. But they're not very organized here) agree with me that Donald Trump was an authoritarian.

However, I do not agree with their view, for example, that many federal Cabinet departments should be abolished. :mrgreen:

I agree with the Libertarians on some things, and not on others.

Does that make me a fanboy, or an anti fanboy? :lol:

Liz Cheney says that as a conservative, she cannot support Trump and the threat he presents to our democracy. I agree with her on that. Does that make me a Liz fanboy, or anti fanboy? :lol:

Do I agree with all liberals and progressives on everything? No, I do not. Many U.S. progressives support the BDS program, in particular the boycotting of Israeli artists and academics. I do not support that. So then, do I agree with everything everyone claims is the proper progressive position to hold? No, I never have.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:58 am Not at all for example I do not believe that Bill ever raped anyone and I voted for HRC and believe she would have made an excellent president. As for your question yes I believe that trump is dumb enough to unintentionally leak secrets but, I don't see how a person could unintentionally sell them. Unless that person did not know they were classified.
You believe everything else about the Clintons. So you think it’s okay for Trump to say classified info is now unclassified, and then sells it to foreign countries?
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gounion wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:03 pm I'm still waiting for you to prove he won't get an exemption. Everything you post says he will.

But then, you know all about New Jersey property tax law, right? You know everything else! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're the one that pretends to be the expert of everything in the universe.
Not for the golf club.

Nothing I post says he will. There’s been no request. If so it would for the ten plots 1/10:of an acre.

And I do know the Jersey law and it’s limitation unlike a clueless fool like you. It obviousl I know a great deal more than you. Especially the constitution and the law. But just simply things pragmatic as well.

And your too stupid to acknowledge the $400,000+ taxes paid on the golf after claiming he doesn’t pay property taxes.

And you’re also stupid to think he’d shut down the golf club for a $400,000 tax break.

You’re not much of a practical thinker.

Maybe $50 off for the ten plots

And you’re too stupid to deal with your paying no property taxes claim.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:13 am Not for the golf club.

Nothing I post says he will. There’s been no request. If so it would for the ten plots 1/10:of an acre.

And your too stupid to acknowledge the $400,000+ taxes paid on the golf after claiming he doesn’t pay property taxes.

And you’re also stupid to think he’d shut down the golf club for a $400,000 tax break.

You’re not much of a practical thinker.

Maybe $50 off for the ten plots
So it’s okay for him to classify the golf course as a farm?
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gounion wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:13 am You believe everything else about the Clintons. So you think it’s okay for Trump to say classified info is now unclassified, and then sells it to foreign countries?
No I do not you are simply making things up as you always do. It's the old I know what you really think. I am going to have to paraphrase here and no I am not going to search for a link.

There is a provision in the law that says a president cannot simply say something is declassified and then share it. As for the Clinton's the only thing you believe is the blue dress.
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gounion wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:15 am So it’s okay for him to classify the golf course as a farm?
Only if the local lawmakers agreed to do so and the other golf courses in the area were permitted to do the same thing. If that is true it is very likely it was something the local governments put in place so public courses wouldnt go out of business.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=af2f69d1 ... lc3M&ntb=1

800 courses closed in the last decade. Including the one in Mogadore which had been there over 80 years
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:16 am No I do not you are simply making things up as you always do. It's the old I know what you really think. I am going to have to paraphrase here and no I am not going to search for a link.

There is a provision in the law that says a president cannot simply say something is declassified and then share it. As for the Clinton's the only thing you believe is the blue dress.
You are the one who says the Clinton s are corrupt and should be in prison, but they were investigated for years and they only found a blowjob. So why can’t you admit it’s just your unreasoned bias against them?

And YOU are the one that says he might unwittingly sell state secrets. Waiting for you to explain, or admit I didn’t lie when I said that’s why you said. You just always defend Trump. You said you’d believe AG Gfarland and already you don’t believe him.
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gounion wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:21 am You are the one who says the Clinton s are corrupt and should be in prison, but they were investigated for years and they only found a blowjob. So why can’t you admit it’s just your unreasoned bias against them?

And YOU are the one that says he might unwittingly sell state secrets. Waiting for you to explain, or admit I didn’t lie when I said that’s why you said. You just always defend Trump. You said you’d believe AG Gfarland and already you don’t believe him.
You are once again lying as usual. I never said I did not believe the AG. What I said was I do not believe that even trump would knowingly sell state secrets to a foreign power.
I also said that it is the AG duty to investigate the same about any US citizen who were in possession of the same.

But, of course fanboy see's a person saying that they didnt believe that even trump would sell secrets as opposing the AG.
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gounion wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:15 am So it’s okay for him to classify the golf course as a farm?
Your are a stupid man.

The golf club is classified a separate entity at 244 acres. Pays $460,000;in property taxes. The farm is separately classified with pasture and adjacent wood. Pasture has goats and the woods are a productive mulch facility which pays $700 in property tax. All seems legit.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:27 am Your are a stupid man.

The golf club is classified a separate entity at 244 acres. Pays $460,000;in property taxes. The farm is separately classified with pasture and adjacent wood. Pasture has goats and the woods are a productive mulch facility which pays $700 in property tax. All seems legit.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:27 am Your are a stupid man.

The golf club is classified a separate entity at 244 acres. Pays $460,000;in property taxes. The farm is separately classified with pasture and adjacent wood. Pasture has goats and the woods are a productive mulch facility which pays $700 in property tax. All seems legit.
Ah yes everything Trump does is legit. But you don’t support and defend him. 🤣🤣🤣
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:29 am Fanboy's never let the facts interfere with their opinion
You certainly don’t. AG says he’s investigating Trump for espionage. You say Trump is innocent. What do you know that Garland doesn’t?
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:27 am You are once again lying as usual. I never said I did not believe the AG. What I said was I do not believe that even trump would knowingly sell state secrets to a foreign power.
I also said that it is the AG duty to investigate the same about any US citizen who were in possession of the same.

But, of course fanboy see's a person saying that they didnt believe that even trump would sell secrets as opposing the AG.
It doesn't matter what obvious trail is in front of you. Trump is always innocent.

"Trump isn't smart enough to plan a coup even tough there's plenty of video and social media evidence! Trump wouldn't sell states secrets, even though he's got his mitts on top secret highly classified material that he refused to return after asked multiple times and he's constantly in touch with foreign nations like SA! Trump isn't smart enough to commit crimes!"

etc.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:27 am Your are a stupid man.

You keep coming back as a sock account thinking you're fooling people. You keep claiming you're an expert in every field known to man. You can't even use proper grammar. See your quote. Let's not get into the topic of stupid.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:29 am Fanboy's never let the facts interfere with their opinion
Oh my goodness look who just discovered a term from the 90s.
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:06 am Oh my goodness look who just discovered a term from the 90s.
I sincerely believed that board con believed that Trump stole secrets to sell them as is now obvious, but to my astonishment I think I just read board con saying he doesn’t believe that Trump would do that.

I am stunned, I really am.
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Trump is innocent but Hunter Biden!


What a clown. Amiright?
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