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Why, of "course."

Property, income and sales tax avoidance.

What a disgrace this family is.

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Drak wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:17 pm Why, of "course."

Property, income and sales tax avoidance.

What a disgrace this family is.

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Do you have the twitter link to the tweet? I posted this on my FB but I need that if you have it, thanks...and btw, who are the biggest slimeballs on earth :roll:
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Libertas wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:25 pm Do you have the twitter link to the tweet? I posted this on my FB but I need that if you have it, thanks...and btw, who are the biggest slimeballs on earth :roll:
Yep. Here it is.

https://twitter.com/EBHarrington/status ... 0469905409

Also check out this article from 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

The mystery of Donald Trump and the New Jersey cemetery

BEDMINSTER, N.J.— In rural New Jersey, the president’s business has proposed an unusual real estate project.

It wants to build a cemetery.

Or maybe not. Or maybe two.

According to plans filed with local and state authorities, the Trump Organization has proposed to build a pair of graveyards at the site of its tony Trump National Golf Club Bedminster course.

One would be small: 10 plots overlooking the first hole. It was intended — or so they said — for Trump and his family. “Mr. Trump . . . specifically chose this property for his final resting place as it is his favorite property,” his company wrote in a filing with the state in 2014.


The other proposed cemetery would have 284 lots for sale to the public. There, buyers could pay for a kind of eternal membership in Trump’s club — even if it isn’t clear Trump himself would ever join them.


Those are the plans.

But Trump has been talking about cemeteries here for 10 years — and he has shown the same unpredictable decision-making style about his death that he has about so many things in his life. His plans have gone through at least five major overhauls. Trump has reconsidered his own burial spot at least twice.

Local officials were left puzzling, wondering what angle Trump was playing......
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Drak wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:29 pm Yep. Here it is.

https://twitter.com/EBHarrington/status ... 0469905409

Also check out this article from 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
Thanks, truly the worst human beings alive.

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She's buried near the first tee at the golf course.

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Yes, leave it to Donald Trump to turn burials of his family into a tax scam, and this all seems so... is the word "uncouth"? Or his taste(less) in glitz and glam?

But the reality is, what do you expect? That she'd be buried in a public cemetery? The rich simply don't DO that. But I do have questions. Obviously this is Trump's plan for his family. But when Marla (Trump's other ex-wife) passes, does she have a place there? How about their daughter Tiffany?

But here's what I'm thinking about. The Trump empire IS heading for, ultimately, a fall at some point. It's a house of cards that just can't last indefinitely. That means the empire will break up and be sold off. It's not like this is a small out-of-the-way piece that the family can always control. It's part of a fucking GOLF COURSE. If the Trumps have to sell it off in a decade or two, it's kind of hard to keep control of the burial plot.

Truly, Trump would have been smarter to purchase land to be used for a Presidential Library, and put the burial area there. I mean, if there ever IS a Trump Presidential Library, it'll be more like Graceland than an actual Presidential Library. Or a casino.
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Dont kid yourself, cons here rush to the polls if he runs again.
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From you highlighted portion section in your link:

"Cemetery company" means any individual, corporation, partnership, association, or other public or private entity which owns, operates, controls, or manages land or places used or dedicated for use of burial remains or disposition of cremated human remains, including a crematory located on dedicated property.

So the question I have is "Is the golf course "dedicated for use of burial remains or disposition of cremated human remains, including a crematory located on dedicated property" or is it a golf course? If it's primary business is that of a golf course then her shouldn't be able to avoid paying taxes on his golf course. If he claims it's a cemetery then he shouldn't be able to operate a golf course inside a cemetery. It has to be one of the other or both need to be declared separate businesses allowing him to get a tax exclusion on the cemetery but not on the golf course.
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Did she fall?

Probably, as her friend commented he was concerned about her and those stairs.

But, the point of having the question is ANYONE in the trump/kushner crime family orbit who dies MUST have a complete and full investigation as one would do if someone connected in anyway with Putin would be investigated.
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10 pall bearers, is that true?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ivana- ... 022-07-20/


Why so many? Secrets being buried? Someone mentioned this and it makes you wonder.

She was cremated, why so heavy?

Normally I would not think about these things in this situation, but we are dealing with the most corrupt human beings on earth. so anything is indeed possible.
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Number6 wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:47 pm From you highlighted portion section in your link:

"Cemetery company" means any individual, corporation, partnership, association, or other public or private entity which owns, operates, controls, or manages land or places used or dedicated for use of burial remains or disposition of cremated human remains, including a crematory located on dedicated property.

So the question I have is "Is the golf course "dedicated for use of burial remains or disposition of cremated human remains, including a crematory located on dedicated property" or is it a golf course? If it's primary business is that of a golf course then her shouldn't be able to avoid paying taxes on his golf course. If he claims it's a cemetery then he shouldn't be able to operate a golf course inside a cemetery. It has to be one of the other or both need to be declared separate businesses allowing him to get a tax exclusion on the cemetery but not on the golf course.
The IRS uses considers substance over form to consider these types of questions. I highly doubt the course would be able to avoid taxation nor do I believe such a claim, were it filed, would pass scrutiny in court. Obviously the course isn’t a cemetery anymore than Graceland in Memphis is a cemetery because the Presley family is buried on-site. If this were true, what’s to keep any high net worth individual from protecting their property in perpetuity by forming a cemetery company and burying aunt sally in the garden?

That said, it is kinda creepy IMO to bury your ex wife next to the tee box.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:11 pm The IRS uses considers substance over form to consider these types of questions. I highly doubt the course would be able to avoid taxation nor do I believe such a claim, were it filed, would pass scrutiny in court. Obviously the course isn’t a cemetery anymore than Graceland in Memphis is a cemetery because the Presley family is buried on-site. If this were true, what’s to keep any high net worth individual from protecting their property in perpetuity by forming a cemetery company and burying aunt sally in the garden?

That said, it is kinda creepy IMO to bury your ex wife next to the tee box.
Oh, c'mon, Joe. Are you REALLY a college-educated accountant, or have you been lying to us all this time? Because the tax break in question is a STATE break. Via Vanity Fair:
Insider reports that “the location of Ivana Trump’s grave—near the first hole of the golf course at Trump National Golf Club—may have tax implications for the business owned by the former president.” And by “tax implications,” the outlet obviously means burying his first wife on the property of his golf club may help minimize Trump’s tax bill. While ProPublica previously reported that Trump Family Trust tax documents show the family worked to establish a nonprofit cemetery company in Hackettstown, New Jersey—which, under the state’s tax code, would exempt the site from taxes, rates, and assessments, and the company from real estate taxes, rates, and assessments—that’s roughly 20 miles away from where Ivana was laid to rest. But according to one tax expert, the 45th president, who has a long history of getting creative with his taxes, may have found a way.

“As a tax researcher, I was skeptical of rumors Trump buried his ex-wife in that sad little plot of dirt on his Bedminster, NJ golf course just for tax breaks.” Dartmouth sociology professor Brooke Harrington, who wrote a book about how the 1 percent avoids paying taxes, tweeted on Saturday. “So I checked the NJ tax code & folks…it’s a trifecta of tax avoidance. Property, income & sales tax, all eliminated.” She noted that, according to state rules, there is “No stipulation regarding a minimum # of human remains necessary for the tax breaks to kick in--looks like one corpse will suffice to make at least 3 forms of tax vanish.”
The IRS is a FEDERAL agency, not a New Jersey STATE agency. Most people would know that. The IRS would have nothing to do with this, the state courts would decide, not the IRS. The IRS wouldn't look at this at all.
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I hope he isnt an accountant, so sad to think educated experts take time out of their day to defend billionaires not having to pay taxes.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:39 pm I hope he isnt an accountant, so sad to think educated experts take time out of their day to defend billionaires not having to pay taxes.
I'm sure Joe has spent a large percentage of his life doing just that.
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gounion wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:37 pm Oh, c'mon, Joe. Are you REALLY a college-educated accountant, or have you been lying to us all this time? Because the tax break in question is a STATE break. Via Vanity Fair:



The IRS is a FEDERAL agency, not a New Jersey STATE agency. Most people would know that. The IRS would have nothing to do with this, the state courts would decide, not the IRS. The IRS wouldn't look at this at all.
Taxing authorities often approach such questions in the same manner. I asked a simple question to make a point, what prevents any high net worth individual from protecting property in a similar manner? Im no expert on NJ tax laws but I imagine if someone used such a scheme to avoid taxation, a court would easily see thru the scheme. When you do these types of things, you have to have a valid reason. Avoiding property taxes isn’t a valid reason. Even in NJ.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:48 pm Taxing authorities often approach such questions in the same manner. I asked a simple question to make a point, what prevents any high net worth individual from protecting property in a similar manner? Im no expert on NJ tax laws but I imagine if someone used such a scheme to avoid taxation, a court would easily see thru the scheme. When you do these types of things, you have to have a valid reason. Avoiding property taxes isn’t a valid reason. Even in NJ.
Again, the states operate on different rule than the federal income tax. Even a dumb ole toolmaker knows that. You just show your ignorance. I mean, the law it self is linked on the thread, so you obviously haven't checked out any link or news story in the thread, as is your normal operation, so you're arguing, as always, from total ignorance.

It's funny to watch you try to use a combination of the Appeal to Authority AND the Appeal to Ignorance arguments AT THE SAME TIME!!!

Only YOU would do that, Joe.
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gounion wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:56 pm Again, the states operate on different rule than the federal income tax. Even a dumb ole toolmaker knows that. You just show your ignorance. I mean, the law it self is linked on the thread, so you obviously haven't checked out any link or news story in the thread, as is your normal operation, so you're arguing, as always, from total ignorance.

It's funny to watch you try to use a combination of the Appeal to Authority AND the Appeal to Ignorance arguments AT THE SAME TIME!!!

Only YOU would do that, Joe.
Well I know you have tons of experience in taxation. There is quite a bit of case history where people attempt to use this provision or another to get a tax break. Taxing authorities federal, state and local all have such problems. In Federal court, the IRS challenges these types of transactions with the “substance over form” argument and they have been successful in numerous cases. The legal theory is that you can’t just design a transaction if the only purpose of the deal is to avoid taxation. IOW you have to have a valid business reason. As I have pointed out, if this were legal, then high net worth individuals would protect their real estate investments from taxation simply by burying aunt sally in the garden. If a legal strategy works in Federal Court, you can bet state government lawyers will be using such rulings and logic to set precedents in state courts.

So I guess we will see what happens. My bet is that Trumps Golf Course will be paying property taxes and income taxes.
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gounion wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:56 pm It's funny to watch you try to use a combination of the Appeal to Authority AND the Appeal to Ignorance arguments AT THE SAME TIME!!!
Just like a good authoritarian.

Or worse, a Good German.

Or in the US context, a Good Citizen. :problem:

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I bet board con was ballistic over Whitewater...what was their profit on that, $3,000?

Cons are the biggest hypocrites alive.

Wait, NOT I bet, I GUARANTEE you this con and the rest lost their MINDS over that!
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Libertas wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:39 pm I hope he isnt an accountant, so sad to think educated experts take time out of their day to defend billionaires not having to pay taxes.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:32 pm Well I know you have tons of experience in taxation. There is quite a bit of case history where people attempt to use this provision or another to get a tax break. Taxing authorities federal, state and local all have such problems. In Federal court, the IRS challenges these types of transactions with the “substance over form” argument and they have been successful in numerous cases. The legal theory is that you can’t just design a transaction if the only purpose of the deal is to avoid taxation. IOW you have to have a valid business reason. As I have pointed out, if this were legal, then high net worth individuals would protect their real estate investments from taxation simply by burying aunt sally in the garden. If a legal strategy works in Federal Court, you can bet state government lawyers will be using such rulings and logic to set precedents in state courts.

So I guess we will see what happens. My bet is that Trumps Golf Course will be paying property taxes and income taxes.
Bullshit, of course. Now you're dancing. The rich have lawyers and accountants like you to find all these tax breaks. When questioned, you guys always say shit like "We follow all applicable laws and regulations".

And Lord knows your Lord Trump never tried to abuse tax law, right?
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gounion wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:37 pm Oh, c'mon, Joe. Are you REALLY a college-educated accountant, or have you been lying to us all this time? Because the tax break in question is a STATE break. Via Vanity Fair:



The IRS is a FEDERAL agency, not a New Jersey STATE agency. Most people would know that. The IRS would have nothing to do with this, the state courts would decide, not the IRS. The IRS wouldn't look at this at all.
I’m in Las Vegas. After a 5 1/2 drive so I haven’t been able to check out the board. I notice when I made my post that Joe replied to that it was state tax law that was referenced.

I figured it out who Joe is an account for. It’s for:



TFG
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Number6 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:32 pm I’m in Las Vegas. After a 5 1/2 drive so I haven’t been able to check out the board. I notice when I made my post that Joe replied to that it was state tax law that was referenced.

I figured it out who Joe is an account for. It’s for:



TFG
Maybe you guys are right? Maybe Trump is too clever for NJ? Maybe they aren’t smart enough to protect their tax base?

Now I get why folks are moving south. Who runs NJ these days?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:11 pm Maybe you guys are right? Maybe Trump is too clever for NJ? Maybe they aren’t smart enough to protect their tax base?

Now I get why folks are moving south. Who runs NJ these days?
Maybe it's just because Trump employs a lot of crooked lawyers and accountants, and he's willing to pay a lot of bribes.

But hey, you're defending Trump and attacking everyone else. I'm not surprised.
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