Oh my GOD ... Judge: Tulsa Race Massacre victims' descendants can't sue

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Oh my GOD ... Judge: Tulsa Race Massacre victims' descendants can't sue

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An Oklahoma judge said six descendants of victims of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre cannot sue for reparations, while allowing three known survivors of the attack in which a white mob descended on a predominantly Black neighborhood to move forward with the lawsuit.


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It happened over 100 years ago. Where would you draw the line?
I have 2 friends in South Carolina one white one black they have the same last name, let's call it Doe.
The white Doe is wealthy and living on about 60 acres of what at one time was his family's plantation.
The Black Doe is going ok solid middleclass but, grew up relatively poor. There is about a 99.9pct chance his ancestors were enslaved on that plantation.

Should Black Doe be allowed to sue White Doe because 160 years ago White Doe's ancestors enslaved his ancestors?
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:04 pm It happened over 100 years ago. Where would you draw the line?
:? so what.

There are people still living who suffered that event.

However, I do get that conservative whites think you should be able to get away with your mass-murder and other crimes.
I have 2 friends in South Carolina one white one black they have the same last name, let's call it Doe.
The white Doe is wealthy and living on about 60 acres of what at one time was his family's plantation.
The Black Doe is going ok solid middleclass but, grew up relatively poor. There is about a 99.9pct chance his ancestors were enslaved on that plantation.

Should Black Doe be allowed to sue White Doe because 160 years ago White Doe's ancestors enslaved his ancestors?
:?

Please try to stay on topic, instead of getting carried away with these white-conservative dixie fantasies. :problem:

This story and lawsuit is about a specific event that has been very well-documented, not your confederate anxieties about being sued by Black people with your same last name.
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carmenjonze wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:30 pm :? so what.

There are people still living who suffered that event.

However, I do get that conservative whites think you should be able to get away with your mass-murder and other crimes.



:?

Please try to stay on topic, instead of getting carried away with these white-conservative dixie fantasies. :problem:

This story and lawsuit is about a specific event that has been very well-documented, not your confederate anxieties about being sued by Black people with your same last name.
I do apologize I thought we were going to have a meaningful conversation about an interesting topic.
My mistake, I should have known better.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:43 pm I do apologize I thought we were going to have a meaningful conversation about an interesting topic.
No need for the dishonest, disingenuous apology.

The interesting topic is the Tulsa Race Massacre, and it’s clear you’re not prepared for a meaningful conversation about that.

The cops deputized run of the mill stupid violent conservative white males to mass-murder Black people on a rumor of supposed rape. :?

Funny how in 2022, now you guys are just flat-out pro-rape when a rape victim is seeking an abortion.

Your entire way of life is misery-making trash.
My mistake, I should have known better.
You indeed should have known better than thinking you could get away with changing the subject to some irrelevant, speculative dixie bullcrap about 160 years ago.

The topic is what you guys did in the Tulsa massacres.

Without the government and the press backing you dirty bigots up, you would not have had the nads to even try it, because all of you are sniveling cowards.

You do not have to live this way. You choose to live this way. :?
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:04 pm It happened over 100 years ago. Where would you draw the line?
I have 2 friends in South Carolina one white one black they have the same last name, let's call it Doe.
The white Doe is wealthy and living on about 60 acres of what at one time was his family's plantation.
The Black Doe is going ok solid middleclass but, grew up relatively poor. There is about a 99.9pct chance his ancestors were enslaved on that plantation.

Should Black Doe be allowed to sue White Doe because 160 years ago White Doe's ancestors enslaved his ancestors?
At what point should what you steal be yours no matter what you did? That's the question you are asking.

My answer is that, morally, it doesn't belong to you. Deal with it.

And the people are not taking anything from white people. They are suing the government of the area, because the government was involved.

Your point is that shut up and let the white keep keep what they murdered to get. I disagree.
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gounion wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:48 pm At what point should what you steal be yours no matter what you did? That's the question you are asking.

My answer is that, morally, it doesn't belong to you. Deal with it.

And the people are not taking anything from white people. They are suing the government of the area, because the government was involved.

Your point is that shut up and let the white keep keep what they murdered to get. I disagree.
I asked a relative who says it is too long ago. So I asked him If his land is stolen today should his great grandson not be able to get it back in 75 years, if so, why?

The real reason anyone is against reparations is racist, economically it probably would improve the overall picture especially if you taxed rich people for once.
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gounion wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:48 pm At what point should what you steal be yours no matter what you did? That's the question you are asking.

My answer is that, morally, it doesn't belong to you. Deal with it.

And the people are not taking anything from white people. They are suing the government of the area, because the government was involved.

Your point is that shut up and let the white keep keep what they murdered to get. I disagree.
The government was involved in many of these things, starting with government-mandated racial inequality to begin with.

That's why Glennfs is so nervous about the general question of reparations, and is wringing their hands over whether some random Black person is going to shake them down for munny because they share a last name. :problem:

Conservative whites are lazy in every aspect of their miserable, ignorant lives. So it's MUCH easier for the people like Glennfs to try and derail this thread into fantasies about that than discuss the thread topic, which is what conservative whites in Tulsa did to the Black community there.
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Somehow it doesn't make any sense to take property away from people today because 100+ years ago it was stolen from people.

Again if my property was at one time part of the Catawba Nation should I lose my home and it given to them
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:40 pm The government was involved in many of these things, starting with government-mandated racial inequality to begin with.

That's why Glennfs is so nervous about the general question of reparations, and is wringing their hands over whether some random Black person is going to shake them down for munny because they share a last name. :problem:

Conservative whites are lazy in every aspect of their miserable, ignorant lives. So it's MUCH easier for the people like Glennfs to try and derail this thread into fantasies about that than discuss the thread topic, which is what conservative whites in Tulsa did to the Black community there.
What I said about my two friends is true. As for reparations where is the 10 to 15 trillion going to come from?
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:33 pm What I said about my two friends is true.
Sure, it is.
As for reparations where is the 10 to 15 trillion going to come from?
:?

Where do you see anything about "10 or 15 trillion" in the OP story?

Quote it, please.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:27 pm Somehow it doesn't make any sense to take property away from people today because 100+ years ago it was stolen from people.

Again if my property was at one time part of the Catawba Nation should I lose my home and it given to them
The thread is about what conservative whites did "100+ years ago" to the Black residents of Tulsa. There are people who are still living who were directly and deliberately deprived by the city of Tulsa and the State of Oklahoma.
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Lol conservative whites like Glennfs get extremely nervous when reminded that there are not only survivors of the Tulsa Massacre "100+ years ago," there are two entire generations still living who were born into forced racial inequality, mandated by white-conservative-run government.

That's just race. This isn't to mention their state-mandated gender and sexuality inequality, and their anti-immigrant policies, much of which is still extant to this very minute.

So he would much rather make a big show of freaking out about hypothetical blacks and Indians coming for his precious property than discuss the actual thread topic, which is conservative whites of Tulsa torching the Black part of town for two whole days because somebody said the word "rape."
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:27 pm Somehow it doesn't make any sense to take property away from people today because 100+ years ago it was stolen from people.

Again if my property was at one time part of the Catawba Nation should I lose my home and it given to them
So, no rule of law. Got it.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:27 pm... 100+ years ago ...
Major Travis Yates of TPD writes for a white nationalist publication in the ancient epoch of 2018.

https://dailycaller .com/author/travisyates/ - link broken on purpose
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:27 pm... 100+ years ago ...
Betty Shelby of TPD murdered Terence Crutcher, shooting him as if he were game, saying "That looks like a bad dude, too, could be on something."

She was found not guilty of manslaughter. This was in the olden days of yore in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_ ... e_Crutcher

She bounced to some Oklahoma sherrif's department, where she now instructs other law enforcment officers.

Major Travis Yates of TPD writes for a white nationalist publication, with stories from the ancient epoch of 2018.

https://dailycaller .com/author/travisyates/ - link broken on purpose

This is the same organization that deputized lynchmobs to mass-murder African Americans "100+ years ago." - Oklahoma Historical Society
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:27 pm

All because somebody said the word "rape." :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Tulsa Race Massacre - search results, Oklahoma Historical Society Gateway

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Photograph of African-Americans with arms raised surrounded by armed whites during the Tulsa Race Massacre, June 1921.
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Photograph of Tulsa, OK dominated by billowing smoke during the Tulsa Race Massacre, June,1921.
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"Running the negro out of Tulsa"
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“Grand Jury Blames Negroes for Inciting Race Rioting; Whites Clearly Exonerated,” Tulsa World, June 26, 1921, Final Edition, Section A.
Tulsa Race Massacre: Newspaper Complicity and Coverage - Library of Congress
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No having a real conversation when you have assholes like CJ doing what assholes do on this or any other subject
CJ has done more to ruin and destroy this board than all others combined.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:43 am No having a real conversation when you have assholes like CJ doing what assholes do on this or any other subject
:problem:

Says the stupid, propagandized asshole who is dead-set on avoiding the actual thread subject because the actual thread subject makes you nervous.
CJ has done more to ruin and destroy this board than all others combined.
The topic is the Tulsa Race Massacre and what conservative whites of that city did to the Black part of Tulsa for two days straight.

Revisit the history of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre - Tulsa World

The Tulsa World finally did a mea culpa in the '00s, 90 years after the massacre, for its deliberate part as the propaganda arm stoking this mass murder.

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In 1921, Tulsa was home to one of the most prosperous African American communities in the country. But in a span of just more than 12 hours, the thriving community known as Black Wall Street was wiped out by white mobs. Businesses, homes and churches were burned as 35 blocks of Greenwood were destroyed. Although 37 deaths were confirmed in the Tulsa Race Massacre, as many as 300 people are believed to have been killed. Hundreds more were injured and thousands were homeless. This website brings together actual newspaper coverage from 99 years ago of the Tulsa World and the Tulsa Tribune along with historical documents and other resources.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:43 am No having a real conversation when you have assholes like CJ doing what assholes do on this or any other subject
CJ has done more to ruin and destroy this board than all others combined.
Hi, confederate. Stop your victimhood blubbering, take a few deep breaths, and listen.

The thread topic is the Tulsa Race Massacre and how a lynchmob of deputized, racist conservative whites ravaged so-called "Dark Town" Tulsa for two days, straight.

That's the topic. Your citizen's council resentments about my posts are not the topic. Your personal freakouts about whether some Black person with your same last name is going to sue you or a Native of the Catawba tribe is going to take some precious property which was handed to you by the government and that you didn't even earn yourself, is not the topic.

Here's more from the Tulsa World about what you guys did to the African Americans of Tulsa in 1921, according to its own archives.

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"Dark Town's houses and office buildings"

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Figures from July 31, 1921 Red Cross report

House burned 1,256

Houses looted but not burned 221

Families living in tents 245

Number of families registered 1,912

Number of persons registered 5,739

From Dec. 30, 1921 Red Cross report

Whites hospitalized at Red Cross expense 48

Blacks hospitalized at Red Cross expense 135

Red Cross first aid cases related to massacre 531

One-room homes constructed 180

Two-room homes constructed 272

Three-room homes constructed 312

One-story brick or cement buildings 24

Two-story brick or cement buildings 24

Three-story brick or cement buildings 3

Families living in tents 49

(Construction summary includes buildings not built with Red Cross assistance.)
Hm, all this mass murder and property destruction happened because somebody whispered the word "rape," innit. :problem:

Conservative whites do not respect actual persons and fellow citizens, we already know that. But imagine my shock that they also don't REALLY respect private property, either, oh my goodness! :problem:

Your party today eagerly embraces the same type of open, violent white nationalism and antisemitism, and you are solidly on board with it.

No wonder you are a Freedom Caucus constituent. I guess they have a really good marketing department.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:43 am CJ has done more to ruin and destroy this board than all others combined.
Take note: this is what actual ruin and destruction looks like. Your problem and the rest of the miseducated conservative white males around here is that you don't have the collective brainpower to reply beyond pointing and crying, or simply running away like white-flag waving lost cause confederate cowards.

This is what you dirty white supremacists did to Black churches, because somebody said "rape" :roll:

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Only one group of people has wreaked this kind of hell on others. One group of people, only: conservative whites.

You guys today are trying to bury this history in schools, and we won't let you.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:43 am No having a real conversation when you have assholes like CJ doing what assholes do on this or any other subject
CJ has done more to ruin and destroy this board than all others combined.
You don't want to have a conversation. Every post you make is a supposed list of Biden failures. Just cut and paste. All you're doing is propaganda.
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gounion wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:25 am You don't want to have a conversation. Every post you make is a supposed list of Biden failures. Just cut and paste. All you're doing is propaganda.
He pulls this same old act in every thread about the Tulsa Massacre and other white-conservative mass murder: Deflect to some theoretical, abstract, irrelevant b.s. about reparations.

But especially this particular mass murder. We can set our watches by it. They really don't want it discussed.

This is what these conservative whites are also doing wrt Jan. 6th. Same psycho behavior. :problem:
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gounion wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:25 am You don't want to have a conversation. Every post you make is a supposed list of Biden failures. Just cut and paste. All you're doing is propaganda.
No double standard on your part nosiree

In fact I twice tried to have a conversation on this thread.
But our resident racist shut it down with her usual lazy response
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:38 am He pulls this same old act in every thread about the Tulsa Massacre and other white-conservative mass murder: Deflect to some theoretical, abstract, irrelevant b.s. about reparations.

But especially this particular mass murder. We can set our watches by it. They really don't want it discussed.

This is what these conservative whites are also doing wrt Jan. 6th. Same psycho behavior. :problem:
This thread was about reparations for the survivors and descendants of the massacre
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