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Gov. Ron DeSantis shocked Tampa Bay on Thursday when he removed Andrew Warren from his office as state attorney for Hillsborough County.




DeSantis said Warren, a Democrat and rising star in progressive law enforcement circles, had put himself “above the law” by promising not to enforce laws limiting abortion or the ability of children to seek certain gender dysphoria treatments. DeSantis used a suspension clause in the Florida Constitution that means Warren essentially has been fired.

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Let’s take a closer look at Warren’s record, examining where he came from and how we got to Thursday’s decision.

1. Warren scored a major upset in 2016.

Andrew Warren was a relatively anonymous Democratic attorney until election night 2016, when he unseated Mark Ober, the Republican incumbent, in the race for Hillsborough County prosecutor. At the time, the Times called Warren’s victory a “stunning election-night upset.”

Warren, a former federal prosecutor, ran an aggressive campaign attacking his opponent for alleged absenteeism and a lack of sensitivity toward crime victims. (At the time, Ober said both characterizations were misleading.) Warren also pledged to rehabilitate those convicted of crimes, and enact policies that would stop criminals from becoming repeat offenders.

2. His office helped exonerate a wrongfully convicted man imprisoned for nearly four decades.

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As Msr. Warren has pointed out, he has yet to not prosecute an abortion case, or a gender care case. All he did was sign a letter saying how he felt about dePutin's policies ... he has yet to fail to prosecute any case, so he's being suspended not for any actions, but what dePutin hypothetically thinks he might do in the future. Also, he has an elected position, so this is dePutin overturning the will of the voters.
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And DeSatan is going to replace him tomorrow with a county judge! Sounds like the same BS that GOPig governor Rick Snyder did in Michigan a few years ago when he took it upon himself to declare emergencies and replace entire city governments at his whim!
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He refused to enforce the law. His job is not to pick and choose what laws to enforce.
He is no different than the clerk of court in Kentucky that refused to register gay marriage. Or of a pharmacist who won't fill certain prescriptions.
If he is morally opposed to doing his job he should either resign or be fired.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:48 am He refused to enforce the law. His job is not to pick and choose what laws to enforce.
He is no different than the clerk of court in Kentucky that refused to register gay marriage. Or of a pharmacist who won't fill certain prescriptions.
If he is morally opposed to doing his job he should either resign or be fired.
He swears an oath to the Constitution, not the Governor.
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Tell me which laws he refused to prosecute or enforce. In actual, concrete terms.

No abortion cases have ever appeared before his office. All he did is sign a letter with a POV.

There is no law in Florida against providing gender affirming care. Nothing for him to violate (yet). The governor and his nut of a surgeon general don't make laws by running their mouth.

I saw him interviewed. He said he would prosecute abortion cases based on discretion. For example, he said he would prosecute unlicensed abortionists who maim or kill women in botched boartions. Prosecutorial discretion is a prosecutor's right; if it weren't, we could just replace them with LegalZoom robots and AIs.

DePutin fired him not for what he hasn't done, but what he hypothetically believes he would do in the future, which most notably seems being disloyal to his authoritah. Sounds very Trumpian to me.

As for that Sheriff yammering about him not prosecuting criminal cases harshly enough -- well, tell it to the voters, if they don't think he's handing out appropriate sentences, they have a remedy. It seems they don't agree with the Sheriff.
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gounion wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:31 am He swears an oath to the Constitution, not the Governor.
So you now support clerks of court who refuse to register gay marriages and pharmacist who refuse to fill certain prescriptions.
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ProfX wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:43 am Tell me which laws he refused to prosecute or enforce. In actual, concrete terms.

No abortion cases have ever appeared before his office. All he did is sign a letter with a POV.

There is no law in Florida against providing gender affirming care. Nothing for him to violate (yet). The governor and his nut of a surgeon general don't make laws by running their mouth.

I saw him interviewed. He said he would prosecute abortion cases based on discretion. For example, he said he would prosecute unlicensed abortionists who maim or kill women in botched boartions. Prosecutorial discretion is a prosecutor's right; if it weren't, we could just replace them with LegalZoom robots and AIs.

DePutin fired him not for what he hasn't done, but what he hypothetically believes he would do in the future, which most notably seems being disloyal to his authoritah. Sounds very Trumpian to me.

As for that Sheriff yammering about him not prosecuting criminal cases harshly enough -- well, tell it to the voters, if they don't think he's handing out appropriate sentences, they have a remedy. It seems they don't agree with the Sheriff.
He has announced in no uncertain terms that he will not enforce laws he disagrees with.
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If his boss is the governor and I am not sure it is but, if it is his comments are definitely insubordination.
His job is to enforce the laws not to pick and choose which laws. If he is morally opposed to doing his job he should have resigned.
Now that he has the time I suggest he runs for governor and changes things. Others in similar situations have done so, many very successfully.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:15 pm He has announced in no uncertain terms that he will not enforce laws he disagrees with.
When Sheriffs Won't Enforce The Law
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/21/69640073 ... ce-the-law

[snip]

Songer is one of about a dozen sheriffs, mostly in rural parts of the state, who have come out against the law. Some say they will apply certain measures — for instance, the background checks — but will ignore others. One sheriff said he is not going to arrest a 20-year-old farmer who happens to have a semi-automatic rifle with him on his tractor.

[snip]

"Sheriffs standing for freedom have the responsibility to interpose — it's the 'doctrine of interposition' — whenever anybody is trying to diminish or violate the individual rights of our counties," Mack says.

Mack runs an organization called the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, which has offered courses in this line of thinking to law enforcement officers. Mack won't disclose the names of sheriffs who have joined the association, so it's hard to gauge his influence.

[snip]

Ideologies aside, elected sheriffs have extraordinary freedom to pick and choose which laws to enforce.

[snip][end]
If his boss is the governor and I am not sure it is but, if it is his comments are definitely insubordination.
The governor does have the power to suspend him and did (it's weird - FL gives a lot of latitude to the governor to remove elected officials, something he also did to the Mayor of Hallandale), but IMHO his "boss" are the people of Hillsborough County, who elected him State Attorney. He answers to them.

BTW: as I said, prosecutorial discretion is a thing.
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/crimin ... tion-.html
His job is to enforce the laws not to pick and choose which laws. If he is morally opposed to doing his job he should have resigned.
Like Richard Mack, he has claimed the law violates the state Constitution. This is a legal, not a moral, argument, and he is not morally opposed to doing his job.

If both sheriffs and prosecutors have latitude on how to enforce the law, then which one is right and which one is wrong? :twisted:

Should note, BTW, the governor can suspend him, and did. But to REMOVE him, permanently, there has to be a hearing in the State Senate. So as they say, this isn't over.
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Cons are mass killing fascists.

GOP are mass killing fascists. Basic math.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:12 pm So you now support clerks of court who refuse to register gay marriages and pharmacist who refuse to fill certain prescriptions.
Let's be clear - those were handled in the COURTS, not by Governors with partisan plans.
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Actually, what the law seems to be on those pharmacists who refuse to fill prescriptions is that if they refuse to fill Plan B (or whatever), they are required by law to refer the patient to another pharmacist, either at their location or a nearby one, who will.

That compromise generally seems to work, except, of course in small towns and rural areas where there may not be a lot of other options.

I repeat: Florida's law on abortion went into effect on July 1st, and Warren has yet to fail to enforce it (of course, no cases have yet come to his office, either.) Unlike Kim Davis who refused to sign legally issued marriage licenses, all Warren did was sign a letter, stating he disagreed with the governor and his policies. Also, Kim Davis had no legal argument other than she said she only answered to Tunkashila :D , Warren says the law violates the state Constitution, and, notably, some judges have agreed.
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Another in a LONG LINE of examples of cons including those here NOT supporting democracy.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:12 pm So you now support clerks of court who refuse to register gay marriages and pharmacist who refuse to fill certain prescriptions.
Religious libburddy is a far-right canard designed to deny civil rights to entire groups of people.

You guys don’t believe in it.

The people you’re talking about mopped themselves into a corner by actively denying said equal rights while on the job.

Bake the cake. Shut up.
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Libertas wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:36 pm Cons are mass killing fascists.

GOP are mass killing fascists. Basic math.
Classic white-conservative eliminationism.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:14 pm Religious libburddy is a far-right canard designed to deny civil rights to entire groups of people.

You guys don’t believe in it.

The people you’re talking about mopped themselves into a corner by actively denying said equal rights while on the job.

Bake the cake. Shut up.
Shut up :lol:

I agree, I wish they would shut the FUCK up, actually!
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Libertas wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:16 pm Shut up :lol:

I agree, I wish they would shut the FUCK up, actually!
Lmao this guy thinks I’m supposed to vote for some Florida white nationalist for president. The supremacy issues know no limits.
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Florida white nationalist issued another genius decree.

[Guv De Stupid tweeted]
The free state of Florida has a new license plate for pre-order that benefits the Florida Veterans Foundation and sends a clear message to out-of-state cars, “Don’t Tread on Me” or Florida.
[end]

Uh, Guv, why do we want to "send a message" to "out of state" people? In a state as dependent on tourism as FL is, are you somehow trying to scare them all away? (Not like your policies aren't already starting to do it.)

Yes, I know many states have similar plates. But let's talk about that Gadsen flag on FL plates, hmmkay?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_f ... ght_symbol

In 2014, the flag was used by Jerad and Amanda Miller, the perpetrators of the 2014 Las Vegas shootings who killed two police officers and a civilian.[30] The Millers reportedly placed the Gadsden Flag on the corpse of one of the officers they killed.[31]

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Gadsden Flag flown in the area of demonstration during the January 6, 2021 storming of the U.S. Capitol

The Gadsden flag next to the Confederate battle flag and the flag of Nazi Germany at a demonstration by far-right groups in Charlottesville.

The Gadsden flag was featured prominently in a report related to the January 6, 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. Thirty-four-year-old Rosanne Boyland was carrying one when she collapsed from an overdose of amphetamine and died in the Capitol.[32][33]

[snip]

Beginning in 2009, the Gadsden flag became widely used as a protest symbol by American Tea Party movement protesters.[37][38][39] It was also displayed by members of Congress at Tea Party rallies.[40] In some cases, the flag was ruled to be a political, rather than a historic or military, symbol due to the strong Tea Party connection.

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every con on this board will RACE to the polls to vote for destupid...
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So, why does Guv DePutin not have a problem with these folks? Why is he not suspending them?

DeSantis Okay With Sheriffs Who Won’t Enforce Laws
https://www.joemygod.com/2022/08/desant ... orce-laws/

Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren isn’t the only elected official in Florida who has promised not to enforce laws he thinks are unconstitutional. Some elected sheriffs have suggested they wouldn’t enforce gun control measures, tapping into an ideology that sheriffs are the final arbiter of what is constitutional.

But that movement hasn’t sparked action from Gov. Ron DeSantis, who ordered a statewide review of state attorneys and their policy positions.

DeSantis suspended Warren on Thursday, accusing him of putting himself above the law by pledging not to prosecute women seeking an abortion from their doctor and vowing to protect transgender minors receiving gender-transition treatment.

The so-called “constitutional sheriffs” movement recently held a convention in which they vowed to surveil ballot drop boxes and polling places. One of the leaders of the movement, Michigan sheriff Dar Leaf, was today implicated in the breach of county voting machines.

[snip][end]

These folks are refusing to enforce any gun control measures, saying all of Fl's current laws go against the 2nd amendment. I think they're wrong :D but I don't notice any effort by deSantis to sack these people for not enforcing actual laws already in place.

Of course, on top of that, some of these (so-called) "constitutional" (I prefer "putinal") sheriffs are violating laws regarding the handling of voter information, ballots, and machines. Once again ... no effort to do anything about them.
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GOP no longer has any interest in the rule of law, at all. They dont even pretend they do.

They want to make the laws as they go, they will not adhere to laws made by others.

Our society once had an agreement that we would all respect the rule of law regardless of whether we liked the law or not, that we could work to change it but we had to respect it.

GOP including all board cons no longer believe this. What that means is this country cant be governed.
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Scumbag DeStupid just lost over something in court to do with freedom of speech.

But it is just a matter of time before it gets to the SC and then 5 justices can be counted on to ignore the Constitution.

That former member our friend is going to meet ASSURED me Gorsuch was no radical, would not overturn Roe. I am still pissed.
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