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Glennfs wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:58 pm I am almost 65 anyone who is within 10 years plus or minus of my age and honest knows and will admit that in the 70s and 80s driving drunk was very common.

Even if you got pulled over nothing happened beyond a strong verbal warning. That has nothing to do with being white it is just the way it was.

As for lying on a resume again an example of my being honest. You surely don't think I am the only person here who ever enhanced a resume or lied to get a job
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As I like to say, I've not had a drink since the Reagan administration. Sometimes, the less referential "I haven't had a drink since the Mulroney administration"

I'd like to drink rum but I've been told 'no'. Something about medication, yadda, yadda. I have non-alcoholic rum but it's too sweet.

It's probably for the best.

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Glennfs wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:58 pm That has nothing to do with being white
:? you're white, WTH would you know about it.
it is just the way it was.
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Toonces wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:05 pm As I like to say, I've not had a drink since the Reagan administration. Sometimes, the less referential "I haven't had a drink since the Mulroney administration"

I'd like to drink rum but I've been told 'no'. Something about medication, yadda, yadda. I have non-alcoholic rum but it's too sweet.

It's probably for the best.

I don't do parties, except occasionally with a small group of friends. Mostly because I don't like social events.
The Reagan administration was when i started drinking. :mrgreen:
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Number6 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:42 pm In some states, if not all, bars can be held partially liable for serving alcohol to someone who already had too many alcohol drinks. That's why bars and restaurants train their employees on recognizing patrons who've had too many drinks and how to handle them when they want more.
Ya, right.

Cutting off a drunk is one thing.

Cutting them loose after a couple drinks is another.

Both of them are over the limit.

As far as the law is concerned anyway
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bradman wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:06 pm Ya, right.

Cutting off a drunk is one thing.

Cutting them loose after a couple drinks is another.

Both of them are over the limit.

As far as the law is concerned anyway
That's why the owners of bars, restaurants, clubs, etc.. train their people on recognizing when someone has had too many drinks. The fact bars have been successfully sued in the past for serving drinks to people who were intoxicated and then the drinker crashes into someone killing or injuring others. The liability is too much for the owners not to police the number of drinks their patrons have had.
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Number6 wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:01 am That's why the owners of bars, restaurants, clubs, etc.. train their people on recognizing when someone has had too many drinks. The fact bars have been successfully sued in the past for serving drinks to people who were intoxicated and then the drinker crashes into someone killing or injuring others. The liability is too much for the owners not to police the number of drinks their patrons have had.
If bar tenders are trained properly ya'd think DUI's would about disappear.*

i know of a couple bars around here that are rather strict. Mainly the corporate bars. There is one that checks your ID no matter the age. They are looking for the DUI stamp. Here, after so many DUI's you get a whisky ticket license plate and a drivers license to match. They won't serve them. For the most part, the independently owned bars not so much. As long as you can sit on a bar stool and not slur your order they will serve you.

Going back to what Glen mentioned, he'd start with 2 drinks in the first hour and one drink per hour after that. Problem is, 2 drinks in the first hour puts you over the limit right off the bat. 1 beer per hour should keep you under the limit. 1 Hard alcohol drink per hour and it get's iffy. So basically, if a bar tender serves you two drinks in 1 hour, they know you are over the limit. The customer may look and sound fine, but still, that person is legally impaired.

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Glennfs wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:58 pm I am almost 65 anyone who is within 10 years plus or minus of my age and honest knows and will admit that in the 70s and 80s driving drunk was very common.
Yes, yes, it was.

Some of that has changed nowadays. The kids don't do it nearly as much as we used to. When our kids came of age we made them a deal. No matter the time, or place, a phone call to either my wife or i would get you a ride no questions asked. As far as i know it helped. Planning a ride or a safe harbor to sleep it off became a habit for them. Good habit.
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bradman wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:08 am Yes, yes, it was.

Some of that has changed nowadays. The kids don't do it nearly as much as we used to. When our kids came of age we made them a deal. No matter the time, or place, a phone call to either my wife or i would get you a ride no questions asked. As far as i know it helped. Planning a ride or a safe harbor to sleep it off became a habit for them. Good habit.
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bradman wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:46 am If bar tenders are trained properly ya'd think DUI's would about disappear.*

i know of a couple bars around here that are rather strict. Mainly the corporate bars. There is one that checks your ID no matter the age. They are looking for the DUI stamp. Here, after so many DUI's you get a whisky ticket license plate and a drivers license to match. They won't serve them. For the most part, the independently owned bars not so much. As long as you can sit on a bar stool and not slur your order they will serve you.

Going back to what Glen mentioned, he'd start with 2 drinks in the first hour and one drink per hour after that. Problem is, 2 drinks in the first hour puts you over the limit right off the bat. 1 beer per hour should keep you under the limit. 1 Hard alcohol drink per hour and it get's iffy. So basically, if a bar tender serves you two drinks in 1 hour, they know you are over the limit. The customer may look and sound fine, but still, that person is legally impaired.

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Understanding that some DUI's are given to people that don't get drunk at a bar.
If bartenders are trained properly, DUIs wouldn't be eliminated but reduced. A person looking for a drink will find it either at a bar, a liquor store, or some place else but a bartender or serving doing their job properly won't subject their businesses to a potential lawsuit.
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bradman wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:08 am Yes, yes, it was.

Some of that has changed nowadays. The kids don't do it nearly as much as we used to. When our kids came of age we made them a deal. No matter the time, or place, a phone call to either my wife or i would get you a ride no questions asked. As far as i know it helped. Planning a ride or a safe harbor to sleep it off became a habit for them. Good habit.
The reason drunk driving was more common was because our society and our courts didn't take drunk driving very seriously. Alcohol, like smoking, was an integral part of American societal behavior and since most Americans took part in it they didn't view the consequences of their or others' actions as being serious. It wasn't until organizations like MADD started calling attention to the problem that things began changing. Drunk driving is no longer overlooked and people and the courts changed their views imposing harsher penalties on those convicted of DUI.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:06 pm If bartenders are trained properly, DUIs wouldn't be eliminated but reduced. A person looking for a drink will find it either at a bar, a liquor store, or some place else but a bartender or serving doing their job properly won't subject their businesses to a potential lawsuit.
The problem could be solved very simply.
You have to have a license to drive get married, fish, hunt and much more.

So why not require a license to buy alcohol. If you don't drink no problem don't buy a license. If you do drink and get on trouble like a DUI or any of the other trouble peoplle who are alcoholics or just can't handle it get into. No problem you lose your license to buy alcohol.

If you get caught selling alchohol to a person without a license. No problem you lose your liquor license.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:13 pm The reason drunk driving was more common was because our society and our courts didn't take drunk driving very seriously. Alcohol, like smoking, was an integral part of American societal behavior and since most Americans took part in it they didn't view the consequences of their or others' actions as being serious. It wasn't until organizations like MADD started calling attention to the problem that things began changing. Drunk driving is no longer overlooked and people and the courts changed their views imposing harsher penalties on those convicted of DUI.
The same is true for underage drinking. There was always a carryout that didn't card you. Or there was always a friend who for whatever reason could buy at one particular store.
It was definitely a different time compared to now
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I don’t know for a fact, but I’m betting that raising the drinking age to 21 has caused more drinking and driving. In my misspent youth, if you were under 18 you drove around drinking. Of course, today you might be smoking grass and driving. But kids are going to drink before they’re 21, so forcing them out of bars is kinda short- sighted, yes?

I was lucky (I guess it’s how you look at it), but my parents allowed drinking in our house, so I did have a place to go before I turned 18. I think I started drinking at 16.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:45 am The problem could be solved very simply.
You have to have a license to drive get married, fish, hunt and much more.

So why not require a license to buy alcohol. If you don't drink no problem don't buy a license. If you do drink and get on trouble like a DUI or any of the other trouble peoplle who are alcoholics or just can't handle it get into. No problem you lose your license to buy alcohol.
That still wouldn't prevent people from driving inebriated.
If you get caught selling alchohol to a person without a license. No problem you lose your liquor license.
State alcohol control boards control liquor licenses and they usually give warnings first and progress to more drastic action if violations continue.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:48 am The same is true for underage drinking. There was always a carryout that didn't card you. Or there was always a friend who for whatever reason could buy at one particular store.
It was definitely a different time compared to now
I worked in a liquor store for two years when I was in college and I worked nights and weekends. The owner was a retired pharmacist who owned the liquor store as well as an old fashioned pharmacy with a lunch counter, and a Five-n-Dime store. He hired a service that would secretly buy liquor from us to make sure we checked IDs. The service even had underage teens try to buy from us. The owner told me about this, one night, saying they had tried to get me to sell liquor to underage teenagers and I always carded them and refused to sell to them.

The problem of someone who can buy liquor for someone who can't has always been around. As a liquor clerk, if I saw or suspected someone of doing this the owner allowed me to refuse to sell to them. However, I think most clerks in liquor stores would still sell to them.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:33 pm I worked in a liquor store for two years when I was in college and I worked nights and weekends. The owner was a retired pharmacist who owned the liquor store as well as an old fashioned pharmacy with a lunch counter, and a Five-n-Dime store. He hired a service that would secretly buy liquor from us to make sure we checked IDs. The service even had underage teens try to buy from us. The owner told me about this, one night, saying they had tried to get me to sell liquor to underage teenagers and I always carded them and refused to sell to them.

The problem of someone who can buy liquor for someone who can't has always been around. As a liquor clerk, if I saw or suspected someone of doing this the owner allowed me to refuse to sell to them. However, I think most clerks in liquor stores would still sell to them.
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gounion wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:59 am I don’t know for a fact, but I’m betting that raising the drinking age to 21 has caused more drinking and driving. In my misspent youth, if you were under 18 you drove around drinking. Of course, today you might be smoking grass and driving. But kids are going to drink before they’re 21, so forcing them out of bars is kinda short- sighted, yes?

I was lucky (I guess it’s how you look at it), but my parents allowed drinking in our house, so I did have a place to go before I turned 18. I think I started drinking at 16.
Hmm...Interesting point that i hadn't thought of.

First time, cherry sloe gin, age 15.

By the age of 16 we were buying beer from the back door of a on/off sale saloon some 20 miles outside the city.
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