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) Rumors of a military coup in #China and Xi under arrest after #CCP seniors removed him as head of the #PLA

So far no reliable sources about this, so have to treat this as just a rumor, probably not true.

But where is Xi Jinping after rushing out from the SCO Meeting?[/quote

1) Rumors of a military coup in #China and Xi under arrest after #CCP seniors removed him as head of the #PLA

So far no reliable sources about this, so have to treat this as just a rumor, probably not true.

But where is Xi Jinping after rushing out from the SCO Meeting?]



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I'm not seeing anything in the major new organizations. Twitter, as a source, isn't much of a source.
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It’s not Twitter that’s the source. It’s the source on Twitter. Twitter is just a platform. Just as YouTube is a platform. Or more generally, the WWW.

I try to source verified accounts from media.
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Seems to be the other way around - Xi seems to be cracking down on other Party officials. (Who might well have been planning a coup.)

Posted in full as as it's a long and byzantine story. I'd credit the author who is only listed as "Our correspondent". :) (Might be necessary to protect his secret identity, too.)

China's Xi Continues Campaign Against Security Agency Enemies
Ex justice minister, ex public security vice minister, ex senior cop get life in jail
https://www.asiasentinel.com/p/xi-jinpi ... cy-enemies

Sun Lijun, the ringleader of a rebel clique of former senior Chinese police officials, has been imprisoned for life, along with at least two of his allies as President Xi Jinping continues his scorched-earth campaign to clean out his enemies in the public security ministry.

On September 23, the Intermediate People’s Court of Changchun sentenced former Chinese Public Security vice-minister Sun with no chance of parole, according to the official Chinese anti-corruption website. The court found Sun guilty of taking RMB646 million (US$91 million) of bribes, manipulating the Chinese stock market, and possessing two illegal guns.

The same court imposed life sentences on Fu Zhenghua, a former Public Security vice-minister and former Minister of Justice, and Wang Like, the former chief of Public Security of Jiangsu province a day earlier. Fu, a top public security official who helped to put former Minister of Public Security Zhou Yongkang behind bars for life, has now suffered the same fate. A Chinese court convicted Wang Like of taking and giving bribes as well as conniving with organized crime. In particular, the court found Wang had frequently paid bribes to Sun.

On January 27, Asia Sentinel reported that a faction linked to Sun posed such a serious threat to Xi that the Public Security Ministry formed a team to crush it. This clique is now being crushed.

Fu and Wang Like belonged to Sun’s political gang, said Takungpao, a pro-Beijing Hong Kong newspaper. Other members of Sun’s gang included Gong Dao’an, a former Public Security chief of Shanghai, Deng Huilin, a former Public Security chief of Chongqing, and Liu Xinyun, a former Public Security chief of Shanxi province, according to Takungpao.

On September 21, Gong was sentenced to life imprisonment, Deng Huilin was sentenced to 15 years, and Liu Xinyun was sentenced to 12 years and fined RMB1 million.

“Xi is very paranoid about his safety. It is very difficult to serve a paranoid emperor,” a professor who declined to be named told Asia Sentinel.

The jailing of so many former top law enforcement officials within three days is part of Xi’s efforts to remove senior Public Security officials he deemed a threat, to ensure his security as he seeks an unprecedented third term at the 20th Congress of the Chinese Communist Party on October 16. Xi’s ambition for a third term breaks the two-term limit for presidents laid down by the late Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping. Xi’s bid to extend his presidency has generated opposition although he is likely to overcome it.

In an article published on the Public Security Ministry’s website on September 16, Public Security Minister Wang Xiaohong called for the eradication of the “poisonous influence of Zhou Yongkang, the political gang of Sun Lijun and others.” Xiaohong called for the elimination of “two-faced people and two-faced cliques which are dishonest and disloyal to the party.”

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“The arrest and conviction of Fu is part of a prolonged crackdown on corrupt officials during Xi Jinping’s tenure, which from early 2021 onward, has focused on law enforcement agencies. The scale and extent of the crackdown indicates that policing in China may be endemically corrupt,” Martin Purbrick, a former Hong Kong police officer, wrote in an article for the Jamestown Foundation, a US think tank, on September 20.

“However, the continued arrests of senior officers indicate that Xi and his faction in the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) intend to secure the loyalty of the (Public Security Ministry) and other security agencies by using anti-corruption as a tool of control. The complete obedience of the (Public Security Ministry) to the CCP and their reliability to implement restrictive social controls is an essential part of China’s expanding police state that undergirds one-party rule,” Purbrick wrote.

“They announced a long time ago they were going to purge the Ministry of Public Security for corruption and nepotism, they followed through on it,” an analyst who declined to be named told Asia Sentinel.

On September 23 and 22, the Intermediate People’s Court of Changchun gave Sun, Fu, and Wang Like a suspended death sentence with a reprieve of two years. In the Chinese legal system, such a sentence means Sun, Fu and Wang Like will escape the death penalty if they cooperate sufficiently with the authorities. But if they do avoid execution, they will still be imprisoned for life with no chance of a parole, while all their personal assets are confiscated.

Sun and Fu were not immediately sentenced to death because they made “major positive contributions” by providing evidence for other major cases, the court explained. This indicates the punishment of other senior Chinese figures is imminent.

The court found Fu guilty of taking RMB117 million (US$16.6 million) in bribes and bending the law to favor relatives and cronies between 2005 and 2021, while he was successively a police official in Beijing, Public Security vice minister, justice minister and a member of a Chinese government advisory body, the court said. In 2014 and 2015, when Fu was the Beijing public security chief, he covered up the crimes of his brother Fu Weihua which enabled Weihua to evade justice, the court added.

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Well if it is on Twitter it must be true
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:14 am Well if it is on Twitter it must be true
Twitter is a platform. Not a source. This has been explained to you before. Your comment is no different than saying, Well if it’s on the WWW, it must be true.
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Drak wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:19 am Twitter is a platform. Not a source. This has been explained to you before. Your comment is no different than saying, Well if it’s on the WWW, it must be true.
If it’s in the library it must be true.

God said it, I believe it, that settles it.

The Bible is a book of truths. :roll: :problem:
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Drak wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:16 pm It’s not Twitter that’s the source. It’s the source on Twitter. Twitter is just a platform. Just as YouTube is a platform. Or more generally, the WWW.

I try to source verified accounts from media.
The library is a platform. The newsstand is a platform. A billboard is a platform. A person standing on the street corner spouting gibberish is a platform. A political candidates' forum is a platform. The problem with platforms is you have to use critical thinking to determine the validity of the information on the platform. Twitter isn't a controlled platform in that anyone can post just about anything without having to provide a verifiable source(s).
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Number6 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:50 pm The library is a platform. The newsstand is a platform. A billboard is a platform. A person standing on the street corner spouting gibberish is a platform. A political candidates' forum is a platform. The problem with platforms is you have to use critical thinking to determine the validity of the information on the platform. Twitter isn't a controlled platform in that anyone can post just about anything without having to provide a verifiable source(s).
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:57 pm Do you use Twitter?
No, I'm smarter than that! :lol:

No, I don't use Twitter or Facebook because I don't think I have to put my life and what I'm doing out for everyone to see. I'm of the opinion is if you want to know what's going on with me then ask me and if I feel you need to know or I want you to know I'll tell you. Now, if you use Twitter or Facebook or similar media platforms that's fine because it's your choice.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:50 pm The library is a platform. The newsstand is a platform. A billboard is a platform. A person standing on the street corner spouting gibberish is a platform. A political candidates' forum is a platform. The problem with platforms is you have to use critical thinking to determine the validity of the information on the platform. Twitter isn't a controlled platform in that anyone can post just about anything without having to provide a verifiable source(s).
Twitter has lots of credible sources. It’s used by almost everyone in the media, entertainers, historians, professors, scientists and politicians. It’s a social media platform. It’s fair to criticize the source on the platform, not Twitter itself. For instance, the link in the op isn’t verified and doesn’t link to an accurate source. But being sarcastic and saying, “I heard it on Twitter so it must be true.” Is ignorant about what Twitter is, like Glenn did in the other thread where the source provided video to a MSM network.

The best practice is to post from verified blue tick accounts when it comes to news, by journalists. Or accounts that link to them.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:04 pm No, I'm smarter than that! :lol:

No, I don't use Twitter or Facebook because I don't think I have to put my life and what I'm doing out for everyone to see. I'm of the opinion is if you want to know what's going on with me then ask me and if I feel you need to know or I want you to know I'll tell you. Now, if you use Twitter or Facebook or similar media platforms that's fine because it's your choice.
Ah, I see.

Reason I ask is, we're using "platform" in a different way, having more to do with computing. From Webopedia:

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Stop me if I'm getting too far in the weeds (have been a web designer and social media manager for the past decade :) ) but let's take this message board. The platform in this case is phpBB. We can use bbcode markup language like

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Other platforms you may have heard of are Wordpress, Blogger (the blogging platform), Windows, MacOS, Android...these are all platforms.
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Drak wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:37 pm Twitter has lots of credible sources. It’s used by almost everyone in the media, entertainers, historians, professors, scientists and politicians. It’s a social media platform. It’s fair to criticize the source on the platform, not Twitter itself. For instance, the link in the op isn’t verified and doesn’t link to an accurate source. But being sarcastic and saying, “I heard it on Twitter so it must be true.” Is ignorant about what Twitter is, like Glenn did in the other thread where the source provided video to a MSM network.

The best practice is to post from verified blue tick accounts when it comes to news, by journalists. Or accounts that link to them.
And even then, consider the source. WNs like Cernovich, Ben Shapiro, Gorka, etc., are all bluechecks.
For instance, the link in the op isn’t verified and doesn’t link to an accurate source. But being sarcastic and saying, “I heard it on Twitter so it must be true.” Is ignorant about what Twitter is, like Glenn did in the other thread where the source provided video to a MSM network.
Ridiculous Glennfs doesn't know f-all about j.s. Lol he accuses me of being "afraid" to click on links that I "might agree with" knowing full well I read the digital primary sources of the KKK, White Citizens Council, Family Research Council, etc., as well as more recent violent dumb conservative white wares. :problem:

What a stupid idiot.

And yes, journalists with actual news organizations are vaild sources on Twitter. EVERY news station big and small, has a presence on Twitter, meaning organizations with actual newsrooms and journalistic standards are on Twitter.

Caveat lector to Glennfs and these other dumb conservatives around here who may now take an interest in Twitter: Breitbart, Fox News, Fox and Friends, Daily Wire, Daily Signal, are not news organizations. They are propaganda arms of white sovereignty organizations.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:35 pm And even then, consider the source. WNs like Cernovich, Ben Shapiro, Gorka, etc., are all bluechecks.



Ridiculous Glennfs doesn't know f-all about j.s. Lol he accuses me of being "afraid" to click on links that I "might agree with" knowing full well I read the digital primary sources of the KKK, White Citizens Council, Family Research Council, etc., as well as more recent violent dumb conservative white wares. :problem:

What a stupid idiot.
Yep. I should have said, verified credible sources. It’s why I tend to place verified after a cut and paste as well as the link. And typically journalists from places like CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, or field experts.

But for the disinformation merchants, you can check the lies and lunacy in real time. Like the folks you mentioned or likes of Kevin McCarthy and MTG.

Glenn could even gather stuff from his heroes, like Rudy, Newt, Breitbart and Drudge, instead of visiting cryptic old websites.
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Drak wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:38 pm Yep. You can check the lies and lunacy in real time. Same with the likes of Kevin McCarthy and MTG.
Well this is exactly it, right?

The white sovereignty arm of the Republican Party, which is basically the entire Republican Party, has these people like Ralph Norman and McCarthy and Rubio and Boebert, etc., who run to these nooz outlets like OANN and Snooze Smacks to give interviews. As if these MAGA propaganda networks are legitimate journalistic organizations.

This is exactly why Donald Trump and the rest of these demagogues love the poorly-educated.
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One more thing on this:
Number6 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:04 pm No, I don't use Twitter or Facebook because I don't think I have to put my life and what I'm doing out for everyone to see. I'm of the opinion is if you want to know what's going on with me then ask me and if I feel you need to know or I want you to know I'll tell you.
So...this isn't really how Facebook and Twitter are used. 15 years ago, in the mid-00s when these platforms first emerged, that's what people used them for.

It's also not how noprofits like ACLU or ActBlue or MoveOn (or any of the rightwing nonprofits) use them. The point is to get their message out to as many people at a time as possible. This is where the legendary algorithms come in.

Problem is, avoiding Twitter and Facebook is one thing, but the whole internet is this way, now.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Newsweek/sta ... 3560189957



https://www.newsweek.com/li-qiaoming-ge ... 1664058033
Unsubstantiated reports that Chinese President Xi Jinping is under house arrest and that China is in the midst of a military coup swirled on social media on Saturday.

Among the unproven rumors circulating is that Li Qiaoming, a general for the People's Liberation Army (PLA), China's military, has replaced Xi.

Li was born in 1961 and was promoted to serve as a general—the PLA's highest rank—in 2019, according to Indian television station OdishaTV. Li is also a member of the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) central committee.

Li had been considered a contender to serve as a member of China's Central Military Commission—a panel with authority over military decision—according to news outlet Nikkei Asia. Several members of the seven-member body are expected to retire next month.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:04 pm No, I'm smarter than that! :lol:

No, I don't use Twitter or Facebook because I don't think I have to put my life and what I'm doing out for everyone to see. I'm of the opinion is if you want to know what's going on with me then ask me and if I feel you need to know or I want you to know I'll tell you. Now, if you use Twitter or Facebook or similar media platforms that's fine because it's your choice.
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