Elon Musk, rip-off King!

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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:30 am So no, you don't have any proof. Didn't think so.

You've always hated the idea of electric vehicles. Your hatred clouds your mind.
You and hatred your favorite word. In poker we call that a tell. Because of your hatred for anything not leftist and because you have to accept everything the left says or proposes. You equate a difference of opinion with hatred.

I do not hate e-cars. I am just realistic in where and what they currently are. Which is impractical overpriced unreliable vehicles with zero resale value.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:37 am You and hatred your favorite word. In poker we call that a tell. Because of your hatred for anything not leftist and because you have to accept everything the left says or proposes. You equate a difference of opinion with hatred.

I do not hate e-cars. I am just realistic in where and what they currently are. Which is impractical overpriced unreliable vehicles with zero resale value.
You guys hate ANYTHING that doesn't pollute.

Motor Trend says it will power a house. But you're in denial.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:12 am I think what we are going to find is all these first run electric vehicles are being over hyped and corporate America is making claims that simply aren't true.
Eventually Ecars will be reliable and probably better than gas vehicles. But, there is a learning curve and no a Ford E truck will not power your house
Tesla Semi: Delivering a disruptive electric truck

“ Today, the company held its Tesla Semi Delivery Event in Nevada.
As expected, Tesla delivered the first electric trucks to PepsiCo, a long-time reservation holder, and held a presentation to reveal more details about the production version of the Tesla Semi.
There wasn’t any big surprise during the presentation.
Tesla basically delivered on its original promises made in 2017 when it first unveiled the prototypes of the Tesla Semi.
Despite the lack of major changes, it’s still a big moment since the electric truck has the potential to change the trucking industry for good by eliminating emissions and significantly reducing costs.
The company started out by explaining why it is moving from making consumer electric vehicles to an electric class 8 truck. That’s pretty simple: Even if semi-trucks only account for about 1% of vehicles in the US, they account for about 20% of emissions:”

The future is now.

https://electrek.co/2022/12/01/tesla-se ... ric-truck/
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Tesla Gigafactory will be covered in solar panels by end of 2022

“One of the biggest projects Tesla has had going on at the factory is the deployment of solar panels across the building’s roof, completely covering the top of the plant and providing sustainable energy that will fuel the production of powertrains and batteries at the facility.”

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafac ... d-of-2022/

“ When it’s fully complete, Tesla’s Gigafactory in Sparks, Nevada, will be the largest building in the world, sprawling over 15 million square feet on a plot of land more than three times larger than Central Park. The building, which Elon Musk has called “the machine that builds the machine,” will eventually also be the first large-scale battery factory to run on 100% renewable energy. The factory currently makes battery packs and electric motors for the Model 3 car, along with the company’s Powerwall and Powerpack battery storage.”

https://www.fastcompany.com/90334858/in ... igafactory
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Too bad Musk is doing his best to destroy the company. Tesla needs to remove him as CEO so they can move forward with the innovations their brilliant engineers are crafting.
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Our Conclusion
Having a solar battery can lower your electricity bill and keep your home powered during a blackout. The Powerwall is a standout option thanks to its high power capacity, excellent DoD, and efficient power cycling. However, it requires a higher investment in a complete Tesla solar panel system if you can’t find a third-party seller in your area.


https://www.thisoldhouse.com/solar-alte ... rwall-cost
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:15 am Our Conclusion
Having a solar battery can lower your electricity bill and keep your home powered during a blackout. The Powerwall is a standout option thanks to its high power capacity, excellent DoD, and efficient power cycling. However, it requires a higher investment in a complete Tesla solar panel system if you can’t find a third-party seller in your area.


https://www.thisoldhouse.com/solar-alte ... rwall-cost
The Glennsof the world won’t buy this. They need to fire Musk. He’s not the one innovating anyway.
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“ Tesla launches ‘Tesla Electric’ to become an electricity retailer”

“ This looks closer to what Musk described when he said he wanted Tesla Energy to become “a distributed global utility and could outgrow automotive business.”
It is starting with Texas, but I assume that Tesla is going to want to expand this product everywhere it also sells Powerwalls.”

https://electrek.co/2022/12/15/tesla-el ... -retailer/
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:47 am Tesla Semi: Delivering a disruptive electric truck

“ Today, the company held its Tesla Semi Delivery Event in Nevada.
As expected, Tesla delivered the first electric trucks to PepsiCo, a long-time reservation holder, and held a presentation to reveal more details about the production version of the Tesla Semi.
There wasn’t any big surprise during the presentation.
Tesla basically delivered on its original promises made in 2017 when it first unveiled the prototypes of the Tesla Semi.
Despite the lack of major changes, it’s still a big moment since the electric truck has the potential to change the trucking industry for good by eliminating emissions and significantly reducing costs.
The company started out by explaining why it is moving from making consumer electric vehicles to an electric class 8 truck. That’s pretty simple: Even if semi-trucks only account for about 1% of vehicles in the US, they account for about 20% of emissions:”

The future is now.

https://electrek.co/2022/12/01/tesla-se ... ric-truck/
There's a video clip in your link. It shows 2 semis going up a 6% grade. One a diesel, one a Tesla. The electric is passing the diesel like it's sitting still. Now that's impressive. Imagine what it'd do for rush hour if the 18 wheelers could accelerate like normal traffic.
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So now this delusional narcissistic idiot, obviously owned by foreign adversaries, thinks he’s Bruce Wayne.

Elon Musk @elonmusk

Some nights …


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Drak wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:59 am So now this delusional narcissistic idiot, obviously owned by foreign adversaries, thinks he’s Bruce Wayne.

Elon Musk @elonmusk

Some nights …


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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607590239874211847
He is a child in a man's body with lots of money, and a visionary.

Evidently he is also going to destroy, possibly, a very important part of our fight against global warming. If his stupid hate of the libs causes Tesla to tank, this would be very bad for the future infrastructure and cars etc.
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No, oil will still be ever more subject to shortages, price gouging, and the effects of wars, and the economy will survive by finding alternatives, mostly electric cars. We still burn a lot of fossil fuel generating power to charge these, so it's hardly a panacea, but a lot of people are sick of leaving a pound of flesh at the gas station once a week.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:33 pm No, oil will still be ever more subject to shortages, price gouging, and the effects of wars, and the economy will survive by finding alternatives, mostly electric cars. We still burn a lot of fossil fuel generating power to charge these, so it's hardly a panacea, but a lot of people are sick of leaving a pound of flesh at the gas station once a week.
Oil is a finite source that's depleting daily. At some point, oil will be too expensive for use in vehicles or for producing electricity and where oil is located in the Earth will be among the battle grounds of the future. I favor a change to wind, solar, and tidal production.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:28 pm Oil is a finite source that's depleting daily. At some point, oil will be too expensive for use in vehicles or for producing electricity and where oil is located in the Earth will be among the battle grounds of the future. I favor a change to wind, solar, and tidal production.
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Lots of hydrogen in the sun. Earth, not so much. Of course one can make hydrogen from water, with the only byproduct being oxygen. We need more of that, since we are happily eliminating the primary means of replacing same - trees and vegetation. Only one problem. You need a hell of a lot of electricity to do it. What's wrong with this picture?
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:49 am Lots of hydrogen in the sun. Earth, not so much. Of course one can make hydrogen from water, with the only byproduct being oxygen. We need more of that, since we are happily eliminating the primary means of replacing same - trees and vegetation. Only one problem. You need a hell of a lot of electricity to do it. What's wrong with this picture?
Build the processing facilities, as they currently are in Africa, on sunny coastal sites and use solar energy. So there’s nothing wrong with the picture. Just takes a little common sense.
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One wonders whether the solar energy could be put to more pressing needs, especially in a place like Africa. The view from space quite well demonstrates the issue facing that continent. They obviously have a serious electricity shortage. The lights are on everywhere but there and Antarctica, and very few people live in Antarctica. I'm not saying it's wrong to electrolize sea water, just that there are tradeoffs with any new energy source.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:37 pm One wonders whether the solar energy could be put to more pressing needs, especially in a place like Africa. The view from space quite well demonstrates the issue facing that continent. They obviously have a serious electricity shortage. The lights are on everywhere but there and Antarctica, and very few people live in Antarctica. I'm not saying it's wrong to electrolize sea water, just that there are tradeoffs with any new energy source.
I'm betting Greengrass doesn't give a shit whether Africans have electricity or not.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:37 pm One wonders whether the solar energy could be put to more pressing needs, especially in a place like Africa. The view from space quite well demonstrates the issue facing that continent. They obviously have a serious electricity shortage. The lights are on everywhere but there and Antarctica, and very few people live in Antarctica. I'm not saying it's wrong to electrolize sea water, just that there are tradeoffs with any new energy source.
As always, you are correct, Zowie. https://www.statista.com/statistics/264 ... by-region/
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:37 pm One wonders whether the solar energy could be put to more pressing needs, especially in a place like Africa. The view from space quite well demonstrates the issue facing that continent. They obviously have a serious electricity shortage. The lights are on everywhere but there and Antarctica, and very few people live in Antarctica. I'm not saying it's wrong to electrolize sea water, just that there are tradeoffs with any new energy source.
Developing a system for commercial production of green hydrogen as an broad based industry is a road big time economic development. The kind that can yield explosive growth. That’ll light a lot of lights.


I wasn’t referring uniquely to Africa. It just happen to be where this concept of green Hydrogen is currently underway. Also happening in the Middle East. But there are suitable location all over the planet where solar powered green hydrogen production is feasible.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 5:57 pm Developing a system for commercial production of green hydrogen as an broad based industry is a road big time economic development. The kind that can yield explosive growth. That’ll light a lot of lights.

I wasn’t referring uniquely to Africa. It just happen to be where this concept of green Hydrogen is currently underway. Also happening in the Middle East. But there are suitable location all over the planet where solar powered green hydrogen production is feasible.
Actually, yes, you did.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 5:58 pm Actually, yes, you did.
No I didn’t. I simply used it as an example of where they are developing a production facility. Nowhere does my statement say it’s Africa only. But then you’re too ignorant to know there is widespread interest and intent in generating green hydrogen planet wide.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:42 pm No I didn’t. I simply used it as an example of where they are developing a production facility. Nowhere does my statement say it’s Africa only. But then you’re too ignorant to know there is widespread interest and intent in generating green hydrogen planet wide.
Zowie's point remains, no matter how much you try to piss backwards. Right now, using lots of electricity to make hydrogen doesn't make economic sense. There will come a time it does, but not now. When it's time to railroad, you railroad. Not before.
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Yeah, greengrass, Elon is a fucking brilliant businessman. He discontinues janitorial service at Twitter, employees have to bring own toilet paper. I’d say he’s went to shit. https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/twitter-e ... rs-report/
Some of Twitter’s remaining employees have reportedly begun bringing their own toilet paper to the office as Elon Musk implements sweeping cost-cutting measures at the company.

Musk’s scramble to save money included a move this month to abruptly fire janitors who worked at the company’s San Francisco headquarters. The cuts came after the janitors had gone on strike for more pay.

The absence of janitors has “left the office in disarray,” with bathrooms that have “grown dirty” and persistent smells of “leftover takeout food and body odor,” the New York Times reported, citing sources familiar with the matter.

The report said some employees are bringing in their own toilet paper because no janitors are on hand to replace supplies. Musk has purportedly packed Twitter employees onto two floors while shutting down four others.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:45 pm Zowie's point remains, no matter how much you try to piss backwards. Right now, using lots of electricity to make hydrogen doesn't make economic sense. There will come a time it does, but not now. When it's time to railroad, you railroad. Not before.
It does if the electricity is solar generated.
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