Storming The Capital 2: A Counter Storm is Coming

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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 am I noticed you correctly called it what it was a riot
Wow, always here to defend Dear Leader. But even HE calls it an insurrection now.
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gounion wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:02 pm Wow, always here to defend Dear Leader. But even HE calls it an insurrection now.
So how many have been charged or convicted of insurrection? I believe that would be zero of over 1250 charged.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:59 pm So how many have been charged or convicted of insurrection? I believe that would be zero of over 1250 charged.
Wow, seditious conspiracy isn’t enough for you?

Quit defending Trump - he tried to lead an armed insurrection and failed. He also tried to get his Vice President to overturn the election.

No President in history has ever attempted to overturn an election. And you keep defending it.
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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:35 am Wow, seditious conspiracy isn’t enough for you?

Quit defending Trump - he tried to lead an armed insurrection and failed. He also tried to get his Vice President to overturn the election.

No President in history has ever attempted to overturn an election. And you keep defending it.
I don't know the current count but as of June 2023 I believe 6 our of over 1000.
It was a riot and another example of how the left takes something that would help them and screws it up.

My favorite is we almost lost our country that day
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:54 am I don't know the current count but as of June 2023 I believe 6 our of over 1000.
It was a riot and another example of how the left takes something that would help them and screws it up.

My favorite is we almost lost our country that day
Attempts to assassinate the Vice President and Speaker.

But hey no big deal. No harm no foul, right?

Anything to defend Trump.
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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:56 am Attempts to assassinate the Vice President and Speaker.

But hey no big deal. No harm no foul, right?

Anything to defend Trump.
So who was charged with that crime
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:01 am So who was charged with that crime
Always defending Trump. You even go nuts when we mention his bankruptcies!
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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:02 am Always defending Trump. You even go nuts when we mention his bankruptcies!
Being honest is not defending Trump. What you don't realize is the lies and exaggerations help Trump
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:12 am Being honest is not defending Trump. What you don't realize is the lies and exaggerations help Trump
You’re not being honest - you’re spewing Donald’s talking points. Donald says he was innocent, that he didn’t do anything wrong, so everyone is innocent.
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Pennsylvania brothers charged with assaulting law enforcement during Jan. 6 riots

EYEWITNESS NEWS (WBRE/WYOU) — Authorities report two men, brothers from Stroudsburg, have been arrested on charges of assaulting law enforcement during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, Andrew Valentin, 26, and Matthew Valentin, 31, both of Stroudsburg, are charged with felony offenses of civil disorder and assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers.

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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:02 am Always defending Trump. You even go nuts when we mention his bankruptcies!
So who were charged with that crime? Or are you just making it up or repeating something you heard from a left-wing source.

Bleating Trump is not enough. So you said there was an assassination attempt on the VP. Where are the charges?
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It goes to intent. The stuff with the gallows and the "hang Mike Pence" chants can be attributed to the madness of crowds with some validity, but the communications before 1/6 show a clear intent to disrupt a Constitutionally mandated procedure. That is sedition. The Romans nailed you to a cross and left you waving in the breeze to die slowly for far less.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:07 am It goes to intent. The stuff with the gallows and the "hang Mike Pence" chants can be attributed to the madness of crowds with some validity, but the communications before 1/6 show a clear intent to disrupt a Constitutionally mandated procedure. That is sedition. The Romans nailed you to a cross and left you waving in the breeze to die slowly for far less.
Today Thom Hartmann said the sedition law is so poorly written that 5 people blocking an intersection in DC for 30 seconds could be charged with insurrection.
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The sedition law actually is overly vague, and hard to enforce, and there is always a risk of its being used for partisan purposes. However, I think we all agree that attacking a session of Congress with the expressly declared intent to stop a Constitutional proceeding is a sure qualifier.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:52 pm The sedition law actually is overly vague, and hard to enforce, and there is always a risk of its being used for partisan purposes. However, I think we all agree that attacking a session of Congress with the expressly declared intent to stop a Constitutional proceeding is a sure qualifier.
Sadly, neither JoeMemphis nor Glenn agrees with you. Just a protest gone bad.
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gounion wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:57 pm Sadly, neither JoeMemphis nor Glenn agrees with you. Just a protest gone bad.
By the text book definition but in reality it was a protest that turned into a riot.
Again only about 6 of over 1200 were charged with crimes even close to sedition.

We didn't almost lose our country
There was no pre planning
There was no assassination attempt on Pence
The scaffold was faux

The left over exaggerations of the event is helping Trump
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:13 pm By the text book definition but in reality it was a protest that turned into a riot.
Again only about 6 of over 1200 were charged with crimes even close to sedition.

We didn't almost lose our country
There was no pre planning
There was no assassination attempt on Pence
The scaffold was faux

The left over exaggerations of the event is helping Trump
Wow, the Trump talking points verbatim. You must be proud.
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The evidence shows pre-planning. Several paramilitary groups had discussed it for weeks, and there was some possible visiting the Capitol to case the joint in the days before 1/6. Some people showed up in full combat gear, which suggests that it was more than a costume party. I see a good case for intent here, as did several juries.

You're possibly right on the other three points, though as far as Pence was concerned they felt a need to quickly escort him out of the building under heavy guard. The details kind of got lost.
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gounion wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:19 pm Wow, the Trump talking points verbatim. You must be proud.
Prove it
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:28 pm The evidence shows pre-planning. Several paramilitary groups had discussed it for weeks, and there was some possible visiting the Capitol to case the joint in the days before 1/6. Some people showed up in full combat gear, which suggests that it was more than a costume party. I see a good case for intent here, as did several juries.

You're possibly right on the other three points, though as far as Pence was concerned they felt a need to quickly escort him out of the building under heavy guard. The details kind of got lost.
The illegal march to the capital was pre-planned but not what happened once they got there.

Pence being escorted is SOP.

You might be surprised how many people wear camo as a fashion statement.

Trump took advantage of the situation once it started. Also let's not forget that the DC mayor refused a military presence beforehand. Because of how it would have appeared politically.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:48 pm The illegal march to the capital was pre-planned but not what happened once they got there.

Pence being escorted is SOP.

You might be surprised how many people wear camo as a fashion statement.

Trump took advantage of the situation once it started. Also let's not forget that the DC mayor refused a military presence beforehand. Because of how it would have appeared politically.

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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:48 pm The illegal march to the capital was pre-planned but not what happened once they got there.

Pence being escorted is SOP.

You might be surprised how many people wear camo as a fashion statement.

Trump took advantage of the situation once it started. Also let's not forget that the DC mayor refused a military presence beforehand. Because of how it would have appeared politically.
And I'm sure they brought bear spray because that's always what they do.

The Secret Service said people were armed, and Trump said take down the magnetometers. After all, they weren't there to use them on Trump, he said himself.

No, he never planned trying to stop the count. Of course not!

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I never saw body armor as a fashion statement.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm I never saw body armor as a fashion statement.
Or lots of zip ties.
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Yes, that would tend to signal intent. Definitely.
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