Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and race

[carmenjonze]

David Dennis Jr.
@DavidDTSS

I know far too many Black people who were 14 and 15 on the *other* side of those Jerry Jones pics who are still feeling the effects of that terrorism but by all means let’s feel sorry for the billionaire whose only consequence will be having to answer some questions about it

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My mother was a high school junior in Buffalo, NY during Little Rock. She attended PS 53 during Little Rock. PS 53 is 5 blocks from where another white conservative male in 2022 mass-murdered shoppers there.

The legacy of white-supremacist mass murder did not miraculously stop after 1957, when this jackass was protesting school integration when my mother was a junior.

The Glennfs's of the world are still carrying on this Jerry Jones legacy to this minute while crying uncleriley. Also while making sport of the idea that I would get the cops called on me.

There is no ethical, moral, or rational reason to ever defend people like this.

[Libertas]

David Dennis Jr.
@DavidDTSS

I know far too many Black people who were 14 and 15 on the *other* side of those Jerry Jones pics who are still feeling the effects of that terrorism but by all means let’s feel sorry for the billionaire whose only consequence will be having to answer some questions about it

https://twitter.com/DavidDTSS/status/15 ... 0830864384
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My mother was a high school junior in Buffalo, NY during Little Rock. She attended PS 53 during Little Rock. PS 53 is 5 blocks from where another white conservative male in 2022 mass-murdered shoppers there.

The legacy of white-supremacist mass murder did not miraculously stop after 1957, when this jackass was protesting school integration when my mother was a junior.

The Glennfs's of the world are still carrying on this Jerry Jones legacy to this minute while crying uncleriley. Also while making sport of the idea that I would get the cops called on me.

There is no ethical, moral, or rational reason to ever defend people like this.

I am so sick of these racist assholes.

[Glennfs]

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[Glennfs]

Glenn isn't satisfied that white males dominates his party, the GOP, but he also demand that white males dominate the Dems too. I guess it's just that he can't fathom the idea that blacks might be as smart and intelligent as whites, so if a black is picked, it's meant as a rejection of white males.

Which is insane.

How can you say such a vile and disgusting thing about me. Is your desire to be accepted here by your peer group so great that you would willfully lie about me.

I am throughly disgusted in what you have said here. You have truly hurt my feelings with your lie.

[carmenjonze]

Is your desire to be accepted here by your peer group so great ...

^ this is actly how niggerlover treatment works.

You better be loyal to white conservatism, or else.

[Libertas]

^ this is actly how niggerlover treatment works.

You better be loyal to white conservatism, or else.

Yeah, I have to admit I did read that one post gounion wrote and expected to see something pretty harsh based on what the con said, but it was a very reasonable and accurate statement.

Like you said, gounion had to be scolded for betrayal.

[carmenjonze]

I am so sick of these racist assholes.

They commit mass murder and insurretion and also expect to get away with it.

Then they demand civility from the people they target.

[gounion]

How can you say such a vile and disgusting thing about me. Is your desire to be accepted here by your peer group so great that you would willfully lie about me.

I am throughly disgusted in what you have said here. You have truly hurt my feelings with your lie.

No lie at all. I mean, this thread is about blacks in coaching. Have you not tried to say the problem is the black coaches, that they don't want to put the time and work into being a coach?

I sent you the article. Have you read it?

[Libertas]

No lie at all. I mean, this thread is about blacks in coaching. Have you not tried to say the problem is the black coaches, that they don't want to put the time and work into being a coach?

I sent you the article. Have you read it?

Has he actually said those words? Example #234 of why I not only dont talk to them but wont even acknowledge them.

[gounion]

Has he actually said those words? Example #234 of why I not only dont talk to them but wont even acknowledge them.

You do you, I will do me. I tire of people trying to tell me who I should be friends with.

[carmenjonze]

You do you, I will do me. I tire of people trying to tell me who I should be friends with.

He didn’t do that, only said what himself does.Can’t say I blame him. I could never be friends with a white supremacist, since it’s personally dangerous.

[Glennfs]

No lie at all. I mean, this thread is about blacks in coaching. Have you not tried to say the problem is the black coaches, that they don't want to put the time and work into being a coach?

I sent you the article. Have you read it?

You are lying again

[Glennfs]

Has he actually said those words? Example #234 of why I not only dont talk to them but wont even acknowledge them.

No that is a total distortion of what I said

[gounion]

The WaPo story is part of a large series of in-dept stories about the dearth of black head coaches in the NFL, and the reasons the problem seems intractable. It's a well-written and thoughtful series that promotes a lot of thought.

The story on Jones is more of the same. Of course, outlets like Fox News pretends it's a hit-piece that makes Jones out to be just yet another white supremacist, and it is nothing of the sort. For instance, in speaking about Jerry's childhood:

Unlike most establishments in the area, Pat’s Super Market was integrated. Black customers were not forced to enter through a back door. One of Jerry’s early jobs was handing out shopping circulars in Dixie Addition, a Black neighborhood a mile away. He came to know “every plank on every porch in the entire Afro-American village,” walking the unpaved tree streets — Plum and Cherry and Laurel — that flooded when it rained, water seeping into ramshackle houses where old newspapers filled cracks in the walls and there was no indoor plumbing. Jones said he “got familiar with the faces of all the people” and from that experience — and from watching his father deal with customers — gained empathy for the human condition of all races.

But then, I would say, just wanting black people's money doesn't mean you're an egalitarian, now, does it? The article next points out that Jone's grandfather WAS an avowed white supremacist.

This part of the article speaks to Jones as a team owner:

But league executives say there was one issue Jones never pressed or even expressed much of an opinion on: race. Before and after the Rooney Rule was instituted in 2003, the league regularly discussed its embarrassing minority hiring record. Jones seemed uninterested. “Other things have been more important,” one longtime former team executive said. “Being powerful — that’s what is important to him.”

It’s a conspicuous blank spot, given Jones’s longtime place on the NFL’s labor committee. He has been a lead negotiator with the players in collective bargaining and therefore should be attuned to the concerns and grievances of the Black men who have composed roughly 60 to 70 percent of the league’s workforce.

Those who have sat across the bargaining table from Jones describe him as alternately domineering, diplomatic and folksy — and occasionally patronizing. In one instance, Jones began to explain mortgages to the players in the room. “The simplest financial things like they were 9 years old,” recalled one person familiar with the bargaining sessions. In response, a Black player pointedly mentioned that he had been talking to Warren Buffett because he was a major investor with him.

“He has a history of being quite dismissive and arrogant towards players in bargaining, but I can’t honestly say it’s completely race-driven because I’ve seen it with the Black players and White players,” the person said. “He’s sort of an equal opportunity condescender.”

But I think this is the most telling:

Jones’s skill as a negotiator finally led him to a public gesture on behalf of racial justice — though a hedging one. In 2016, he was a hard-liner against Colin Kaepernick’s political demonstrations. The San Francisco 49ers quarterback was alienating the audience, Jones believed, by taking a knee during the national anthem to protest police brutality. According to someone who discussed matters with him, “Jerry’s bottom line was always: ‘It’s bad for our business; it’s distracting America from football.’ ” Jones decreed that his players would stand for the flag, “toe on the line,” or be benched.

[Perspective: This is why Colin Kaepernick took a knee]

But then President Donald Trump blew up the issue and threatened to divide Jones from his team. At a 2017 event, Trump targeted NFL owners, declaring that if a player refused to stand for the anthem, the owners should fire “that son of a bitch.” Defiant players launched a wave of protests in response. It became apparent that a number of Cowboys intended similar action during a nationally televised game.

Jones moved carefully. He consulted various coaches and players. But the deepest conversation he had was with McClay, his longtime player personnel adviser, whose father had served as a Marine in Vietnam. McClay firmly believed the players had the right to protest. He decided he had to give Jones his frank opinion. McClay had been reared in Houston, where his father had come home from the war only to find that as a Black man he couldn’t get a home loan. McClay said he knew his family and friends would ask him “what conversation I had with somebody in a position of power.”

He told Jones that no good could come from forcing strong-willed young Black men into compliance. “You can’t dictate,” he said. To his relief, Jones listened without resentment. “I wouldn’t have been doing him any justice if I just said whatever I thought he wanted me to say,” McClay recalled. “… And however he took it, he took it.”

*snip*

It was with this history in mind that Jones met with his team over the anthem controversy. He promised he would have his players’ backs “long after you quit catching passes or toting the ball.” Then Jones did what he does best: He struck a deal.

“So I’m going to ask this,” he said. “I will kneel with you in solidarity. Stand with me at the flag.”

On the field that Monday night, Jones locked arms with his players and took a knee. The Cowboys then rose as the anthem struck up. It pleased almost no one. Boos were interspersed with the notes that came from the loudspeakers. Watching on TV, some players and executives viewed this less as an act of solidarity than as a piece of classic Jones business exigency.

“That’s just Jerry reaching the deal point, right?” one said.

After reading the article, this is how I feel: First, Jones IS a product of his upbringing. The racism of his hometown and home state lives deep within him, as does his father's less hardened views of blacks. But Jones only respects being rich. And I don't think he respect players who are just rich because he pays them. On that level, he likes players like owners love their racehorses. He has no problem trading and selling them like the slaveowners did.

And the few concessions he's made isn't out of social concern, but just business exigency.

And like most of the other owners, he hires coaches from people that are his buddies. He obviously doesn't hire the most qualified. He doesn't even pretend. Jones is 80 years old and can't change. Change within the NFL must come from younger owners, if it comes then.

But there was a time when there were no blacks in the NFL, because, the owners told us, white players were obviously superior, and there's no black players that could compete in the NFL.

So why should we believe them now?

[gounion]

You are lying again

I am? Then explain what you DID say. Go ahead. Why aren't there more black coaches in the NFL?

[gounion]

He didn’t do that, only said what himself does.Can’t say I blame him. I could never be friends with a white supremacist, since it’s personally dangerous.

Yeah, but every time you guys speak of him to me, you keep doing that. I get it. No reason to repeat it for the 1,000th time, it's not going to change MY view.

[carmenjonze]

Yeah, but every time you guys speak of him to me, you keep doing that. I get it. No reason to repeat it for the 1,000th time, it's not going to change MY view.

The point is not to change any views.

The point is to express my own, and raise the question of defending a known white supremacist. You’re not beholden to answer but it’s not going to stop me from asking.

This guy calls himself my friend . I could never be friends with a person who does that in one thread then niggerbaits me in the next.

[Glennfs]

I am? Then explain what you DID say. Go ahead. Why aren't there more black coaches in the NFL?

Kickoff in 2 minutes but I will address this before the end ofvthe day

[Glennfs]

The point is not to change any views.

The point is to express my own, and raise the question of defending a known white supremacist. You’re not beholden to answer but it’s not going to stop me from asking.

This guy calls himself my friend . I could never be friends with a person who does that in one thread then niggerbaits me in the next.

The deal is you consider anyone who disagrees with you or votes republican to be a WS.
Then you turn around and accuse me of not having gay friends. When in fact it is I and GoU who have a wide diversity of friends.
While people like you and libertas isolate yourselves among only like minded people.

[gounion]

The point is not to change any views.

The point is to express my own, and raise the question of defending a known white supremacist. You’re not beholden to answer but it’s not going to stop me from asking.

This guy calls himself my friend . I could never be friends with a person who does that in one thread then niggerbaits me in the next.

I answered the question. It just gets tiring. It's a game I'm not interested in playing.

And YES, you're playing a game too. You know he didn't ACTUALLY call you his friend. He was being facetious.

[Libertas]

You do you, I will do me. I tire of people trying to tell me who I should be friends with.

That's not what I had in my head when I said that, I say that all the time. It has nothing to do with you, or any of the other patriots here

I say that all the time to make a point, to you and CJ and prof and drak etal...

[gounion]

That's not what I had in my head when I said that, I say that all the time. It has nothing to do with you, or any of the other patriots here

I say that all the time to make a point, to you and CJ and prof and drak etal...

You don't need to tell me the point anymore. I know it.

[carmenjonze]

The deal is you consider anyone who disagrees with you [/quote-2

Plenty of people disagree with me. Libby disagrees with me about talking to people like you.
[quore]or votes republican to be a WS.

Well no, I consider people like you, who regularly express white supremacist views, who gives your own friend the niggerlover treatment, who openly noggerbaits myself, who repeat white nationalist ideology… to be WSs.

Then you turn around and accuse me of not having gay friends.

Get to know some actual LGBTQ people before trying to remark on our politics, because all you bring to those conversations is ignorance that deliberately drags down the threads.

These alleged gay friends of yours have a so-called friend who is actively sending all of us back to the life of the closet. Or trying. (Won’t work, regardless of what type of political violence you pull.)

Only a lying, dishonest, self-gaslighting conservative does that and calls themselves a friend.

I could never call a person who does that to me, a friend.

While people like you and libertas isolate yourselves among only like minded people.

Keep guessin’ about my friendship circles.

You should be grateful I even address a white supremacist like you, at all, seeing how you treat the people you call friends. But then that’s just white-conservative pathologisy, anyway.

The phrase “like I need a hole in the head” comes to mind.

[Libertas]

Well no, I consider people like you, who regularly express white supremacist views, who gives your own friend the niggerlover treatment, who openly noggerbaits myself, who repeat white nationalist ideology… to be WSs.

Get to know some actual LGBTQ people before trying to remark on our politics, because all you bring to those conversations is ignorance that deliberately drags down the threads.

These alleged gay friends of yours have a so-called friend who is actively sending all of us back to the life of the closet. Or trying. (Won’t work, regardless of what type of political violence you pull.)

Only a lying, dishonest, self-gaslighting conservative does that and calls themselves a friend.

I could never call a person who does that to me, a friend.



Keep guessin’ about my friendship circles.

You should be grateful I even address a white supremacist like you, at all, seeing how you treat the people you call friends. But then that’s just white-conservative pathologisy, anyway.

The phrase “like I need a hole in the head” comes to mind.

Yikes, he said that too

I wish I had the time to name all the people I know as friends or family who I still love and tell them so who are supporting the GOP. Not so many friends anymore, but like you I have diverse friendships.

NOT wanting to address an overt white supremacist (he is not the only one here) on a message board, should hopefully be the least of their worries.

[carmenjonze]

I answered the question.

Actually you didn’t. But running interference for a known WSs is fair game and is not beyond reproach.

Especially for those of us white supremacism affects.

It just gets tiring. It's a game I'm not interested in playing.

And YES, you're playing a game too. You know he didn't ACTUALLY call you his friend. He was being facetious.

I call it playing Mister Nice-Nasty, a game he likes to play with YOU. But I see that as a function of white-conservative pathology. So weird.

I’ll tell you what’s tiring, is subjugation to white supremacism. It’s not a joke or a game to me, because it is historically and currently lethal to several communities I belong to. No way I’m treating it or it’s adherents as a game.