Docs found in Biden office

[gounion]

Are you saying Trump also didn't do anything illegal?
Both had classified documents in unsecured areas. Both treated classified documents as if they were last weeks newspaper.
It seems that one of us is a partisan hypocrite. While the other is saying both should suffer some consequences.

Yep, as usual, you're pretending another false equivalency. Both are the same!

[Glennfs]

Biden's actions should be investigated.

That's all your saying about Trump.

Again you refuse to answer a question as usual. You should really quit asking questions if you don't have the balls to answer one.

[Glennfs]

https://nypost.com/2023/01/22/theres-no ... t-scandal/

Influence peddler Hunter Biden had access to the classified documents his dad had laying around unsecured.

[Glennfs]

Yep, as usual, you're pretending another false equivalency. Both are the same!

Nobody is doing that. You are only using that a defensive measure ti protect your precious democratic party.
Aka your religious demonination

[gounion]

Again you refuse to answer a question as usual. You should really quit asking questions if you don't have the balls to answer one.

Why don’t YOU answer the question? How should Trump be punished for what he has done?

You just never will say anything against Trump.

[Drak]

Are you saying Trump also didn't do anything illegal?
Both had classified documents in unsecured areas. Both treated classified documents as if they were last weeks newspaper.
It seems that one of us is a partisan hypocrite. While the other is saying both should suffer some consequences.

What consequences? Show the law. And show the equivalence to the types of docs both had, too.

The difference is Trump obstructed justice and attempted to hid docs even after a warrant. Otherwise none of this would even be a thing if he had just handed them back when asked.

That said, even if Biden did exactly what Trump did, according to you guys, you can’t indict a sitting President.

[gounion]

Glenn, you told us what the punishment should be for Biden, and demanded we name a punishment.

But what about Trump? You say he should be investigated, but you don’t say what his punishment should be. You named a punishment for Biden, so name a punishment for Trump.

[Glennfs]

Glenn, you told us what the punishment should be for Biden, and demanded we name a punishment.

But what about Trump? You say he should be investigated, but you don’t say what his punishment should be. You named a punishment for Biden, so name a punishment for Trump.

For the 4th time Trump should be charged for not cooperating with the authorities.

For the 4th time what should happen to Biden

[Glennfs]

What consequences? Show the law. And show the equivalence to the types of docs both had, too.

The difference is Trump obstructed justice and attempted to hid docs even after a warrant. Otherwise none of this would even be a thing if he had just handed them back when asked.

That said, even if Biden did exactly what Trump did, according to you guys, you can’t indict a sitting President.

[Glennfs]

The fact that we have now had 5 different places Biden documents have been found and the last were found by authorities searching one one his homes weakens your argument

[gounion]

For the 4th time Trump should be charged for not cooperating with the authorities.

For the 4th time what should happen to Biden

No, YOU FIRST.

What should happen to Trump? Not charges, but results.

Should Trump be in jail? What should happen to him?

[Drak]

For the 4th time Trump should be charged for not cooperating with the authorities.

For the 4th time what should happen to Biden

You’re downplaying what Trump did then trying to create an equivalence. Trump obstructed justice.

Biden cooperated and Biden is the on who ordered the searches.

[ZoWie]

Biden has done the right thing, but doing the right thing does not matter when bad PR is involved.

Bad PR takes on a life of its own.

The current problem is that every time whoever is looking finds two new documents and turns them over, all most of the public sees is yet another headline that says something to the effect of gee whiz, look at this, more secret documents. Not 3 more secret documents to drumpf's 16 boxes of same, not that the FBI had to come and get drumpf's boxes while the 3 latest Biden ones were quickly turned over just like the rest, no, just more secret documents, and the human brain goes ker-CHUNK.

I still can't forgive Biden for not keeping his own house in order. This should have been thoroughly checked and quietly dealt with as soon as the Mar-A-Lago thing broke. That's how you cover your ass when you're in the public eye.

[JoeMemphis]

Biden has done the right thing, but doing the right thing does not matter when bad PR is involved.

Bad PR takes on a life of its own.

The current problem is that every time whoever is looking finds two new documents and turns them over, all most of the public sees is yet another headline that says something to the effect of gee whiz, look at this, more secret documents. Not 3 more secret documents to drumpf's 16 boxes of same, not that the FBI had to come and get drumpf's boxes while the 3 latest Biden ones were quickly turned over just like the rest, no, just more secret documents, and the human brain goes ker-CHUNK.

I still can't forgive Biden for not keeping his own house in order. This should have been thoroughly checked and quietly dealt with as soon as the Mar-A-Lago thing broke. That's how you cover your ass when you're in the public eye.

Biden should have stayed away from making comments on Trump. That’s the AG’s job. So now his own words come back to bite him over and over. The other problem is that the public know much more about the documents seized in FL than we do about docs turned over by Biden. So in the absence of information, the public will assume what they want to assume. Referring everything to the WH counsel and the DOJ when you know they aren’t going to answer questions either isn’t helpful nor is repeating how seriously the Pres takes classified information. It’s all empty rhetoric until you put some meat on the bone.

[ZoWie]

At this point there's nothing Biden can do. The media have spoken. Biden had no criminal intent, and drumpf or his handlers probably did, but that's not relevant to the problem of bad PR, where there are no levels of seriousness. There is only a national noise machine, maintained chiefly by Congress members seeking media time and news outlets who make money off public kerfuffles, and this machine will crank to 112 dB at the tiniest drop of a pin. Remember the 50 investigations of Hillary. Especially after Mar-A-Lago the noise makers were ready to jump if anyone even left a confidential memo out in the open. That's just the times we live in.

People who live in glass houses should keep their papers in order.

[JoeMemphis]

At this point there's nothing Biden can do. The media have spoken. Biden had no criminal intent, and drumpf or his handlers probably did, but that's not relevant to the problem of bad PR, where there are no levels of seriousness. There is only a national noise machine, maintained chiefly by Congress members seeking media time and news outlets who make money off public kerfuffles, and this machine will crank to 112 dB at the tiniest drop of a pin. Remember the 50 investigations of Hillary. Especially after Mar-A-Lago the noise makers were ready to jump if anyone even left a confidential memo out in the open. That's just the times we live in.

People who live in glass houses should keep their papers in order.

Glass houses. Papers in order. That’s funny.

You are right. Bad PR is tough to fix. Best not to feed the beast. Biden should leave this to his AG. Instruct his staff to cooperate with the special prosecutor and with congressional oversight committees where they can without interfering with the special counsel’s investigation. Tell the Press that he has no comment. And go ahead with his job. His Press Secretary should tell the pool she cannot and will not take questions on the document scandal. That’s the way they used to do it and it worked.

As far as guilt or innocence. I expect the special counsel to investigate both cases separately and apply the facts and the law and make a recommendation to the AG. It will be up to the AG what to do with those recommendations. That’s the process. I’m good with that. How about you?

[gounion]

Glass houses. Papers in order. That’s funny.

You are right. Bad PR is tough to fix. Best not to feed the beast. Biden should leave this to his AG. Instruct his staff to cooperate with the special prosecutor and with congressional oversight committees where they can without interfering with the special counsel’s investigation. Tell the Press that he has no comment. And go ahead with his job. His Press Secretary should tell the pool she cannot and will not take questions on the document scandal. That’s the way they used to do it and it worked.

As far as guilt or innocence. I expect the special counsel to investigate both cases separately and apply the facts and the law and make a recommendation to the AG. It will be up to the AG what to do with those recommendations. That’s the process. I’m good with that. How about you?

I love how you keep trying to pretend these cases are somehow comparable. They aren’t.

[Drak]

Joe hardly said a word when Trump packed up boxes of docs and refused to hand them over. But then, he was also super excited about the Durham probe.

Biden is the one who asked for these searches. These are not comparable situations. But both Glennfs and Joe sure have had more to say about Biden in this thread than they ever said about Trump.

[JoeMemphis]

I love how you keep trying to pretend these cases are somehow comparable. They aren’t.

I said clearly they should be investigated and judged based on the facts, evidence and the law. Never said they were equal. Only said they are entitled to equal treatment under the law Big difference. They should be investigated and judged separately based on the facts.

[Drak]

I said clearly they should be investigated and judged based on the facts, evidence and the law. Never said they were equal. Only said they are entitled to equal treatment under the law Big difference. They should be investigated and judged separately based on the facts.

You mean, like the Durham probe, Benghazi and Uranium One? Those were your favorites.

[Drak]

I give you, the leader of the Republican Party.

[Glennfs]

I love how you keep trying to pretend these cases are somehow comparable. They aren’t.

For the 5th time what should be the consequences Biden faces for the mishandling of security documents.

[gounion]

For the 5th time what should be the consequences Biden faces for the mishandling of security documents.

First, you tell us what consequences Trump should face. You won't because of your support for him.

[Bludogdem]

Don’t be surprised if, at the end of this, the DOJ takes a pass.

Documents taken in possession by a President, Vice President, senator are, by virtue of legal and constitutional powers, in a nebulous state.

Merrick Garland as a former Appeals Court Justice knows this.

Is there a statute that applies to the President, Vice President, or member of Congress that make’s possession illegal?

[gounion]

Don’t be surprised if, at the end of this, the DOJ takes a pass.

Documents taken in possession by a President, Vice President, senator are, by virtue of legal and constitutional powers, in a nebulous state.

Merrick Garland as a former Appeals Court Justice knows this.

Is there a statute that applies to the President, Vice President, or member of Congress that make’s possession illegal?

Obstruction of Justice isn't nebulous.