GA Grand Jury

[Glennfs]

Again, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. You think Trump is.

And Congressmen have went to jail. Senators have went to jail. Governors have went to jail. And yes, in the United States of America, Presidents CAN go to jail.

And this one deserves to.

So you believe that if convicted Trump would be sentenced and spend time in prison.
Along of course with his secret service detail.
As vile a person Trump is he has and deserves the same constitutional rights as you and I.
Where do you go to find an impartial jury in a Trump trial.

[gounion]

So you believe that if convicted Trump would be sentenced and spend time in prison.
Along of course with his secret service detail.
As vile a person Trump is he has and deserves the same constitutional rights as you and I.
Where do you go to find an impartial jury in a Trump trial.

You know, you’ll attack anything to defend Trump. If he’s put on trail, and convicted, you’ll just say he didn’t get a fair trial. How convenient.

But thanks for admitted you’ll defend Trump no matter what, because you support him.

I think if he’s convicted and sentenced, yes, he’ll spend time in a prison. The courts and prison system will decide what happens to the Secret Service.

[Glennfs]

You know, you’ll attack anything to defend Trump. If he’s put on trail, and convicted, you’ll just say he didn’t get a fair trial. How convenient.

But thanks for admitted you’ll defend Trump no matter what, because you support him.

I think if he’s convicted and sentenced, yes, he’ll spend time in a prison. The courts and prison system will decide what happens to the Secret Service.

No I am defending our constitution. It is obvious that Trump can't receive a fair trial. Hell we all think him guilty.

As far as your beliefs he will or could spend time in prison. That is just another one of a long list of things that on paper seem right. But, here in the real world it isn't practical and will never happen.

[gounion]

No I am defending our constitution. It is obvious that Trump can't receive a fair trial. Hell we all think him guilty.

As far as your beliefs he will or could spend time in prison. That is just another one of a long list of things that on paper seem right. But, here in the real world it isn't practical and will never happen.

We all thought Tim McVeigh was guilty too. Did he receive a fair trial?

And no, you defend Trump every time, you don’t think he’s guilty. And his base doesn’t think he’s guilty.

And again, if the court finds him guilty and sentences him, yes, he will go to prison. Keep pretending otherwise.

[Glennfs]

We all thought Tim McVeigh was guilty too. Did he receive a fair trial?

And no, you defend Trump every time, you don’t think he’s guilty. And his base doesn’t think he’s guilty.

And again, if the court finds him guilty and sentences him, yes, he will go to prison. Keep pretending otherwise.

Tom McVey wasn't a former president and murdered all those people.
Let me type really slow so you can maybe comprehend.

While you believe Trump guilty if everything he has ever been accused of. I believe he to be guilty of maybe 75pct.
So yes I believe Trump to be guilty

[gounion]

Tom McVey wasn't a former president and murdered all those people.
Let me type really slow so you can maybe comprehend.

While you believe Trump guilty if everything he has ever been accused of. I believe he to be guilty of maybe 75pct.
So yes I believe Trump to be guilty

No, you defend Trump from everything.

And you said Trump couldn’t be tried because he couldn’t get a fair trial. I ask again, did Tim McVeigh get a fair trial.

I say he did. And Trump will get a fair trial. But if he’s convicted, you’ll say he didn’t.

And Trump can go to the Engelwood Federal Correctional Center in Colorado, like Rod Blagojevich did.

[Glennfs]

No, you defend Trump from everything.

And you said Trump couldn’t be tried because he couldn’t get a fair trial. I ask again, did Tim McVeigh get a fair trial.

I say he did. And Trump will get a fair trial. But if he’s convicted, you’ll say he didn’t.

And Trump can go to the Engelwood Federal Correctional Center in Colorado, like Rod Blagojevich did.

You live in a wonderful dream world where on paper all is just and fair.
Great comparison Trump to McVey. Yep exactly the same.
So you could sit on the Trump jury.

[gounion]

You live in a wonderful dream world where on paper all is just and fair.
Great comparison Trump to McVey. Yep exactly the same.
So you could sit on the Trump jury.

I didn't say everything was just and fair. But I doubt anyone went into McVeigh's trial wondering if he hadn't done it.

Certainly no one came out thinking that.

Yet, yes, he got a fair trial.

But since Trump did everything so publicly, you think he shouldn't have a trial.

So, in your estimation, of someone says "I'm going to kill Joe Blow", then goes up on national tv and shoots him in front of millions of people for the world to see, he should get away with it because "he can't get a fair trial".

Such is #glennlogic.

And let's also be clear about me sitting on a Trump jury. Yes, I did say I would look at the evidence with a clear mind. Now, I doubt if a Trump lawyer would pass on me being on that jury. But that wouldn't be for me to decide.

But you won't answer the question: Did McVeigh (not McVay) get a fair trial? Yes or no?

Because if Tim McVeigh can get a fair trail in the USA, so can Donald Trump.

And in your stupid-ass logic, you say if someone is seen as guilty, they should not be tried. The WORST possible defense of Donald Trump you've ever came up with.

[Glennfs]

I didn't say everything was just and fair. But I doubt anyone went into McVeigh's trial wondering if he hadn't done it.

Certainly no one came out thinking that.

Yet, yes, he got a fair trial.

But since Trump did everything so publicly, you think he shouldn't have a trial.

So, in your estimation, of someone says "I'm going to kill Joe Blow", then goes up on national tv and shoots him in front of millions of people for the world to see, he should get away with it because "he can't get a fair trial".

Such is #glennlogic.

And let's also be clear about me sitting on a Trump jury. Yes, I did say I would look at the evidence with a clear mind. Now, I doubt if a Trump lawyer would pass on me being on that jury. But that wouldn't be for me to decide.

But you won't answer the question: Did McVeigh (not McVay) get a fair trial? Yes or no?

Because if Tim McVeigh can get a fair trail in the USA, so can Donald Trump.

And in your stupid-ass logic, you say if someone is seen as guilty, they should not be tried. The WORST possible defense of Donald Trump you've ever came up with.

Every person on a Donald Trump jury would have made their descion on guilt or innocence before the trail started.

For example you. But, thanks for the insight of what justice in America will look like in a country ran by liberals.

We are going to have a fair trial find him guilty then lock him up.

Sounds like England 200 years ago.

[gounion]

Every person on a Donald Trump jury would have made their descion on guilt or innocence before the trail started.

For example you. But, thanks for the insight of what justice in America will look like in a country ran by liberals.

We are going to have a fair trial find him guilty then lock him up.

Sounds like England 200 years ago.

Again, did every juror have their mind made up on McVeigh's guilt?

This is the dumbest excuse EVER for letting Trump get away with his crimes. You really want to see him be President again. And let's be clear: there is a LARGE segment of our country that are just like you - they would find Trump not guilty no matter what. They don't think his shit stinks either. They think he's a superior form of humanity because he's rich.

[Glennfs]

Again, did every juror have their mind made up on McVeigh's guilt?

This is the dumbest excuse EVER for letting Trump get away with his crimes. You really want to see him be President again. And let's be clear: there is a LARGE segment of our country that are just like you - they would find Trump not guilty no matter what. They don't think his shit stinks either. They think he's a superior form of humanity because he's rich.

McVeigh is about the worse comparison ever.
Why bother even having a trial for Trump.

Let's look at the OJ jury. I like everyone else knows that OJ is guilty. But, had I been on that jury and my job was to judge the case based on the evidence as presented in the trial I would have voted not guilty.

If you were on the Trump jury you could just stay home until time to vote. Because no matter what you would vote guilty.

Now there are other people who would vote not guilty for the same reason.

Trump cannot get a fair trial if for no other reason it would be impossible to sit an impartial jury.

Then there is everything else. Endless appeals and so on. As I knew and suspected during the entire Trump presidency you on the left did not want him removed from office. They wanted to destroy him.

So here we sit two years later and the left is wanting and willing to spend millions of dollars on an effort to tip over the Trump windmill.

No Trump is not above the law but, face the facts as opposed to your fantasy world. Trump will never spend a day in jail. Any convictions will probably get overturned. The entire deal is a waste of time.

But, if it helps get left wing extremist elected it will be all worth it.

Some people just get away with it. Life simply isn't always fair.

[gounion]

McVeigh is about the worse comparison ever.
Why bother even having a trial for Trump.

Let's look at the OJ jury. I like everyone else knows that OJ is guilty. But, had I been on that jury and my job was to judge the case based on the evidence as presented in the trial I would have voted not guilty.

If you were on the Trump jury you could just stay home until time to vote. Because no matter what you would vote guilty.

Now there are other people who would vote not guilty for the same reason.

Trump cannot get a fair trial if for no other reason it would be impossible to sit an impartial jury.

Then there is everything else. Endless appeals and so on. As I knew and suspected during the entire Trump presidency you on the left did not want him removed from office. They wanted to destroy him.

So here we sit two years later and the left is wanting and willing to spend millions of dollars on an effort to tip over the Trump windmill.

No Trump is not above the law but, face the facts as opposed to your fantasy world. Trump will never spend a day in jail. Any convictions will probably get overturned. The entire deal is a waste of time.

But, if it helps get left wing extremist elected it will be all worth it.

Some people just get away with it. Life simply isn't always fair.

Trump is above the law. Got it.

[Drak]

Legals have weighed in. This was allowed under GA law. There’s nothing here Trump and friends can do aside from attempting more stalls. Which they would do anyways. And there were no specifics given on who exactly was recommended for possible indictments. The DA also stated, weeks ago, that possible indictments are imminent.

As far as prison time, regardless of how this is handled, no one, NO ONE, is above the law. Trump as his pals are not kings. All people are equal, and should be treated equally by the law. Even if Trump doesn’t go to prison, an indictment and guilty verdict is on the record.

[Glennfs]

Legals have weighed in. This was allowed under GA law. There’s nothing here Trump and friends can do aside from attempting more stalls. Which they would do anyways. And there were no specifics given on who exactly was recommended for possible indictments. The DA also stated, weeks ago, that possible indictments are imminent.

As far as prison time, regardless of how this is handled, no one, NO ONE, is above the law. Trump as his pals are not kings. All people are equal, and should be treated equally by the law. Even if Trump doesn’t go to prison, an indictment and guilty verdict is on the record.

Again in a book or a movie you would be correct . This isn't about being above the law. It is about the real world where the practicality of locking uo a former president just isn't going to happen.
You are correct about an indictment and guilty verdict. Of course it would be followed by endless delays and appeals.

One thing that people don't realize is just like Nixon and Watergate in less than 25 years nobody is going to remember any of this.
So while here in real time it seems to be historically significant. It won't be going forward.
Personally, and I guess this would be my fantasy I would like to see an arrangement where Trump simply agrees to retire from seeking public office. Goes back to running his company and all this goes away. Ending our short national nightmare.

[gounion]

Again in a book or a movie you would be correct . This isn't about being above the law. It is about the real world where the practicality of locking uo a former president just isn't going to happen.
You are correct about an indictment and guilty verdict. Of course it would be followed by endless delays and appeals.

One thing that people don't realize is just like Nixon and Watergate in less than 25 years nobody is going to remember any of this.
So while here in real time it seems to be historically significant. It won't be going forward.
Personally, and I guess this would be my fantasy I would like to see an arrangement where Trump simply agrees to retire from seeking public office. Goes back to running his company and all this goes away. Ending our short national nightmare.

You can't obstruct a criminal indictment and trail with endless delays like you can a civil suit. You'll find that out. We'll see how quickly the feds deals with Pence's bullshit refusal to block his subpoena.

[gounion]

https://www.rawstory.com/ivanka-trump-j ... 659468075/

Okay, this isn’t about the source - this happened on the Stephanie Miller show. But it’s a former federal prosecutor, and I think he makes an excellent point:

As Newsweek is reporting, Kirschner pointed out that the former president is not above turning on son-in-law Jared Kushner and possibly his daughter Ivanka if cornered, in the apparent belief it would get him off the hook.

Speaking to the host, he suggested, "Do you think he's going to stand up for anybody about whom he has dirt? Are you kidding me? He will sell out everybody, including, I believe, his family members. Jared, perhaps even Ivanka in order to get himself a better deal. Because that's who Donald Trump is. He's going to go to the art of the deal to the art of the plea deal."

Kirschner added the former president would "...give up everybody to try to save himself."

"That's what narcissists do. They sacrifice everybody else to save themselves, even if it's only to save themselves one year in prison, one day in prison, one hour in prison. Or maybe just for spite, because they deserve to be thrown under the bus," he elaborated.

When Trump is indicted, it’ll be an interesting thing to see. I mean, Trump will try to give anyone up that he can.

But that really doesn’t work, does it? I mean, to make a deal, prosecutors want you to give up someone ABOVE you. And Trump can’t really give anyone else up, can he? “Oh, hey, put my daughter and son-in-law in prison, but let me go!”

I think that Jack Smith is a hard-line prosecutor. He has a good record of getting the big fish and putting them away. Trump tries to say that he’s a tough guy, that he got courage, but he doesn’t. I’ve seen the video of how he cowered and ran when there was a kerfuful in the crowd at rallies, and oh yeah, did you see him when they had an eagle with him at a photo opp?



If he’s indicted, he won’t be combative, he’ll be a cowering, crying, begging blob of tears.

[Glennfs]

https://www.rawstory.com/ivanka-trump-j ... 659468075/

Okay, this isn’t about the source - this happened on the Stephanie Miller show. But it’s a former federal prosecutor, and I think he makes an excellent point:



When Trump is indicted, it’ll be an interesting thing to see. I mean, Trump will try to give anyone up that he can.

But that really doesn’t work, does it? I mean, to make a deal, prosecutors want you to give up someone ABOVE you. And Trump can’t really give anyone else up, can he? “Oh, hey, put my daughter and son-in-law in prison, but let me go!”

I think that Jack Smith is a hard-line prosecutor. He has a good record of getting the big fish and putting them away. Trump tries to say that he’s a tough guy, that he got courage, but he doesn’t. I’ve seen the video of how he cowered and ran when there was a kerfuful in the crowd at rallies, and oh yeah, did you see him when they had an eagle with him at a photo opp?



If he’s indicted, he won’t be combative, he’ll be a cowering, crying, begging blob of tears.

I believe you are correct. Except for anything that comes from Georgia.
If/when the special prosecutor indicts it will be non political and air tight.
The problem is who does he have that he can flip on. Isn't the way that usually works is you have to give up a bigger fish.

[gounion]

I believe you are correct. Except for anything that comes from Georgia.
If/when the special prosecutor indicts it will be non political and air tight.
The problem is who does he have that he can flip on. Isn't the way that usually works is you have to give up a bigger fish.

Yup, but Trump will fall down crying like a baby. He’ll try to throw everyone under the bus, but it won’t work. Graham needs to watch out.

[Drak]

I thought there was another thread on this.

Here are some current insights into the GA Grand Jury and how massive this is in a series of tweets on the same story.



Greg Bluestein @bluestein
The grand jurors said they understand why the public release of their full final report needs to wait until the DA makes indictment decisions.

“A lot’s gonna come out sooner or later,” one of the jurors said. “And it’s gonna be massive.” #gapol

https://www.ajc.com/politics/exclusive- ... R4B7UTZPE/

Greg Bluestein
@bluestein
1h
They divulged that they had heard a recording of a phone call Trump placed to late House Speaker David Ralston in which the president asked the fellow Republican to convene a special session of the legislature to overturn Biden’s narrow victory. #gapol

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/16 ... 8845110274

Harry Litman @harrylitman
lots of interesting stuff here. Here's a foreboding detail for the targets: "One juror said she would cry in her car at the end of the day after hearing from witnesses whose lives had been upended by disinformation and claims of election fraud."


Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
We almost never see what happens behind the scenes in a grand jury investigation.

This look at the Fulton County investigation into Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election is jaw-dropping.

Tamar Hallerman @TamarHallerman
EXCLUSIVE:
@ajccourts
and I sat down with five of the Fulton County special grand jurors, who gave us a detailed, behind the scenes look at their eight months of service https://ajc.com/politics/exclusive-behi ... R4B7UTZPE/ #gapol

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/stat ... 5804579846

“I can honestly give a damn of whoever goes to jail, you know, like personally,” one juror said. “I care more about there being more respect in the system for the work that people do to make sure elections are free and fair.”

Said another juror: “I tell my wife if every person in America knew every single word of information we knew, this country would not be divided as it is right now.”

The grand jurors said they understand why the public release of their full final report needs to wait until Willis makes indictment decisions.

[Libertas]

I had a thread about the gop there passing a law that allows them to fire Fani, which of course is the reason they passed the law.

They havent yet, but they will if they get an inkling indictments are coming. And if they dont and she is allowed to indict AND TRY the traitor, I will run to this board to admit I was wrong

H A P P I L Y

[Glennfs]

I had a thread about the gop there passing a law that allows them to fire Fani, which of course is the reason they passed the law.

They havent yet, but they will if they get an inkling indictments are coming. And if they dont and she is allowed to indict AND TRY the traitor, I will run to this board to admit I was wrong

H A P P I L Y

What is your time frame?

[Drak]

I had a thread about the gop there passing a law that allows them to fire Fani, which of course is the reason they passed the law.

They havent yet, but they will if they get an inkling indictments are coming. And if they dont and she is allowed to indict AND TRY the traitor, I will run to this board to admit I was wrong

H A P P I L Y

That’s right, I think there was another thread as well.

[Drak]

CNN@CNN

46m
Fulton County investigators have an audio recording of a phone call former President Donald Trump made to the Georgia House speaker to push for a special session to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 victory in the state, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/politics ... %3A01%3A04


A coup in many parts.

[Libertas]

praying I have to come here this week and admit I was wrong


https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/stat ... 22284?s=20

BREAKING: a Trump criminal indictment by a grand jury is expected late today or Wednesday, according to three people involved in the deliberations
I will be wrong ONLY if Fani is allowed to indict and prosecute, etc.

[Libertas]

CNN@CNN

46m
Fulton County investigators have an audio recording of a phone call former President Donald Trump made to the Georgia House speaker to push for a special session to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 victory in the state, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/politics ... %3A01%3A04


A coup in many parts.

Cons dont care. They really dont. Desatan will do worse and they will race to the polls to vote for him.