Wokeness is good for you

[Glennfs]

Not really. People like the warmer weather. Let’s be clear: New York and California are the financial centers of America. They go to Florida to retire. And Florida has major problems that the Republicans don’t care about; they only want to attack gays and take over the schools.

California suffers from overpopulation; but its climate is far superior to Florida. I hate Florida, the humidity is oppressive, and it’s flat scrub. You’re poisoning the Everglades, and you guys just don’t care. You’re poisoning the state, and proud of it.

People move to republican ran states when they reach a point in life where they can live where they choose because states and cities ran by liberals are shit holes.
Unless of course you are extremely wealthy.

[bird]

Been to Tampa lately? Nashville? Lots of 20 & 30 something moving there. But think what you will. Lots of blue states are shrinking. Folks who can are going south. Think what you want.

Isn’t what I think.

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people ... gL1q_D_BwE

It is the trend.

[bird]

Charlotte NC 2nd largest banking center in USA

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 89840.html

Banking is not the same as finance.

[JoeMemphis]

Isn’t what I think.

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people ... gL1q_D_BwE

It is the trend.

Doesn’t change the fact that the folks who can afford to relocate to red states from blue states are moving. That’s the trend.

[gounion]

People move to republican ran states when they reach a point in life where they can live where they choose because states and cities ran by liberals are shit holes.
Unless of course you are extremely wealthy.

Not true, of course. I mean, Nashville is ran by liberals.

I had several choices. Washington state was one. California really wasn't, mostly because of the earthquakes. Colorado was one. But I'll tell you now, San Diego and the surrounding area is fantastic. So is San Fran. They aren't shitholes.

Florida is only the 8th fastest growing. So why isn't anyone moving to Mississippi or West Virginia? I mean, they're ran by conservatives. Why aren't they utopias?

You guys love Florida so much because of the gay witch hunts the governor is on. You love that don't you?

[ZoWie]

They can have the damn population. I'm sick of inflated prices in the only two cities I bother with. Everyone go south and run up the real estate prices there and cost the taxpayers a bundle when the climate change that doesn't exist has its way with swamps and barrier islands barely above sea level.

And flip a coin on which city I prefer. Actually, New York, with all its hassles right now, has LA beat by several orders of magnitude. The rents are staggering, but you can at least get around the damn place. It's the biggest US city, but still it's on more of a human scale than all the failed 1950s corporate dreams of the future which now are impossible to navigate without sitting in traffic jams.

And thanks ap215, coming from you that's the best compliment I've gotten in years.

[gounion]

California barely makes the list with one exception

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ted_States

Finance and banking are two different things.

California has Hollywood and Silicon Vally, and New York is the financial capital of the world. https://fintrakk.com/financial-capital- ... york-city/

[ZoWie]

Even if they take a hit from the banking crisis, Silicon Valley is where the new money is, and Manhattan is where the old money is, and Manhattan has a say in how most of the new money actually gets spent/invested/whatever.

"Hollywood" is a shell of its former self. Last night's Oscars were pitiful. It's good that they've noticed that Asians exist, but otherwise it sure isn't what it was when I used to actually rent a tux and go to the damn things. "Hollywood" is a few glitterati and a million frighteningly overworked wage slaves.

There is also Silicon Beach in LA. Now, it's nothing compared to up north, but it's enough of an employer that the traffic pattern in LA has shifted. Used to be you waited in traffic jams for an extra 40 minutes to get from the West Side to Downtown on the eastbound freeways in the morning. Now in the morning the eastbound moves right along and the westbound backs up for 15 miles. Everyone's going to Silicon Beach. Downtown is a pitifully small financial district, a few wholesale complexes, and a lot of garment contractors hiring people fresh off the alien smuggler trucks and paying them piecework pittances.

Santa Monica was always a tech center after WWII when a number of think tanks and defense contractors had offices there. You don't hear about it, but it is. Rent and home price wise, it's not Bel-Air, but still normal people can't afford to live there.

[Number6]

Not really. People like the warmer weather. Let’s be clear: New York and California are the financial centers of America. They go to Florida to retire. And Florida has major problems that the Republicans don’t care about; they only want to attack gays and take over the schools.

When people retire, their income is, in most cases, lower than when they were working so the lower cost of living in Florida is attractive to them.

California suffers from overpopulation; but its climate is far superior to Florida. I hate Florida, the humidity is oppressive, and it’s flat scrub. You’re poisoning the Everglades, and you guys just don’t care. You’re poisoning the state, and proud of it.

Yes, California suffers from overpopulation but when you have good weather that's where people want to live. I lived in the Pan Handle of Florida for two years and it was hot and humid in the summer. I've lived in the San Diego area for the past 18 years and while it can get hot our humidity is much lower which makes it more comfortable than Florida.

[Number6]

It means that Florida is trending old, period.

And it is a GoU said.

Plus, as I also said Florida can deal with next hurricane…

By age, the population of Florida is:
Under 15 year olds - 19%
Ages 15 - 19 - 6.3%
Ages 20 - 34 - 18.8%
Ages 35 - 54 - 28.4
Ages 55 - 59 - 5.1%
Ages 60 and over - 22.2%
https://www.infoplease.com/us/census/fl ... statistics

As more Baby Boomers retire and head to Florida, the older the population will become.

[Number6]

People move to republican ran states when they reach a point in life where they can live where they choose because states and cities ran by liberals are shit holes.
Unless of course you are extremely wealthy.

Are you saying people are forced to live in states where they don't want to live? If so, who is forcing them? If not, then please explain your thinking on this.

[ZoWie]

Actually, shit holes as you describe them have more liberal politics because people have first hand experience of what conservative economics do to a population. Anyway, California has some of the most conservative politics in the country if you go to the right places.

California is a very diverse geography with a lot of microclimates which can differ wildly. The lowest part of the entire CONUS (Death Valley, 282 feet below sea level) and the highest part (Mt Whitney, 14,505 feet above msl) are right next to each other. 86 miles, IIRC. Some places get feet of snow in the winter, and others can go years without a drop of rain.

Thank the earthquake faults for this vertically augmented topography.

You are probably only too aware that I really don't like the climate in Southern California. It isn't what it used to be. Post climate change, it alternates too much rain with no rain at all. You can destroy the world by fire AND flood, and of course the earthquakes are no fun. How very Biblical. However, it still beats Florida by plenty. You have to be burned out on NE US winters to think FL is actually a climate paradise. That humidity can really drain people.

[bird]

Doesn’t change the fact that the folks who can afford to relocate to red states from blue states are moving. That’s the trend.

Yes, it does. The trend is for whiny older people to move there. The extremely small 0-4 year old segment means that the base for services where FL draws revenue will shrink.

And, of course, since they hate the federal government, after the next hurricane…

[ZoWie]

Naah, all the people who spout slogans about keeping the government small and poor will line up at FEMA field offices for their share of the disaster relief pie.

Logical consistency is not this culture's strong suit.

[Number6]

Naah, all the people who spout slogans about keeping the government small and poor will line up at FEMA field offices for their share of the disaster relief pie.

Logical consistency is not this culture's strong suit.

One-third of Florida's budget comes from the federal government.

[JoeMemphis]

Yes, it does. The trend is for whiny older people to move there. The extremely small 0-4 year old segment means that the base for services where FL draws revenue will shrink.

And, of course, since they hate the federal government, after the next hurricane…

You are welcome to your interpretation. I just don’t happen to share it.

Cheers

[JoeMemphis]

One-third of Florida's budget comes from the federal government.

Okay. Thanks.

[gounion]

Okay. Thanks.

Yep. Florida is a welfare state.

[Number6]

Yep. Florida is a welfare state.

And they not only know it but they pretend they're not.

[JoeMemphis]

And they not only know it but they pretend they're not.

I’m sure no other states get Federal dollars.

[ZoWie]

Someone defined a fiscal conservative as a person who gets in their car bought with a loan from a Federally supported bank, and built by a company which got massive tax breaks, using sub-assemblies shipped by Federally subsidized companies on Federally financed highways, and then gets on a road built by a municipal government and drives to a destination where they park next to a curb built by a contractor with a government subsidy, so they can sit at the dinner table with food from subsidized farmers in a home bought with a Federally subsidized loan and proclaim that the trouble with this country is that too many people take government money.

[JoeMemphis]

One-third of Florida's budget comes from the federal government.

You forgot to mention (conveniently) that the average is among all states is 32.60%. California is at 30.5%. I guess they are a welfare state. Florida is at 31.6%. New York is at 36.44%.

So where is the welfare state line drawn? What percent makes you a welfare state?

[JoeMemphis]

Someone defined a fiscal conservative as a person who gets in their car bought with a loan from a Federally supported bank, and built by a company which got massive tax breaks, using sub-assemblies shipped by Federally subsidized companies on Federally financed highways, and then gets on a road built by a municipal government and drives to a destination where they park next to a curb built by a contractor with a government subsidy, so they can sit at the dinner table with food from subsidized farmers in a home bought with a Federally subsidized loan and proclaim that the trouble with this country is that too many people take government money.

I wouldnt rely on the advice of “someone”. Probably living with their mom and unemployed blaming somebody else for their problems.

[ZoWie]

Blaming somebody else for their problems sure sounds like the way a lot of fiscal conservatives talk.

[gounion]

I wouldnt rely on the advice of “someone”. Probably living with their mom and unemployed blaming somebody else for their problems.

You'd rely on someone that was born on third base and swore they hit a triple.

These bankers sure aren't anyone to rely on for advice.

Like I said about conservatives - you can't even run your own life, I'll be damned if you run mine.

I'm tired of your war on gay and trans people, while you and Glenn pretend you support the LGBTQ+ community.