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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:10 pm The guardrails would probably be unconstitutional.
Probably not. It's not hard to do, but you don't want to see anything where the corporate money doesn't get to rule the nation. You guys never liked democracy.
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gounion wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:34 am Probably not. It's not hard to do, but you don't want to see anything where the corporate money doesn't get to rule the nation. You guys never liked democracy.
You are the one wanting one rule government not me.
Notice how you only are opposed to the money that primarily helps Republicans imagine that.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:54 am You are the one wanting one rule government not me.
Notice how you only are opposed to the money that primarily helps Republicans imagine that.
Care to show me the quote?

I’m opposed to ALL money in politics. I’m for taking it all out.

So you’re saying the corrupt money is the only way the GOP can win elections?
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gounion wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:59 am Care to show me the quote?

I’m opposed to ALL money in politics. I’m for taking it all out.

So you’re saying the corrupt money is the only way the GOP can win elections?
So big labor spending billions is not corrupt. It's only the money which helps Republicans which is corrupt.
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You sound like a nine year old telling Teacher, "He started it."

Two choices:

1. Money in politics, everyone spends the same amount, accountants make out the way they always do.

2. No money in politics. Lots of Feds snooping around, accountants make out the way they always do.

I like the second one. Easier to enforce.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:58 am You sound like a nine year old telling Teacher, "He started it."

Two choices:

1. Money in politics, everyone spends the same amount, accountants make out the way they always do.

2. No money in politics. Lots of Feds snooping around, accountants make out the way they always do.

I like the second one. Easier to enforce.

If we had publicly financed campaigns every person and every party would have to be equal under the law.
Other than the publicity seeking celebrities like DJs and comedians. We would have fringe parties like the Green Party and Libertarian going to court to have the same monies going to the republican and democratic party.

In fact we would have dozens of similar parties as well as screwball independents flooding the ballot.

On paper it is a great idea that simply would not work in reality.
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I didn't mention publicly financed campaigns because I'm not sure it would work, and I have no desire to try it and find out. I vastly prefer very low limits on campaign donations, but I understand of course that in practice it would be unenforceable.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:06 pm I didn't mention publicly financed campaigns because I'm not sure it would work, and I have no desire to try it and find out. I vastly prefer very low limits on campaign donations, but I understand of course that in practice it would be unenforceable.
I've been doing my taxes this past week and I'm reviewing them today before sending them off and there is still a box you can check if you want to donate $1 to the presidential candidate fund. Presidential candidates don't accept this money because it limits how much money they can raise outside the amount they'd get from the federal funds.
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Prabowo Subianto: What can Indonesia expect from its new strongman leader?

The apparent victory of Prabowo Subianto in Indonesia's presidential election is a dramatic moment in the country's history.

Even though polls put him as the front-runner for many weeks before polling day, the margin by which he beat his two opponents, according to the usually accurate early vote counts, was much higher than expected.

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Fascism is on the march worldwide, and we all know why.

At least the US isn't the only country that's given in to humankind's dark side.
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Milwaukee Mayor's Race: Johnson secures primary win, heads to general election

With the primary victory secured, Mayor Cavalier Johnson now looks ahead to the spring general election on April 2, where the top two vote-getters will advance to compete for the city's mayoral seat.

As of Tuesday 9 p.m., Cavalier Johnson had more than 83% of the vote. David King had 12%, and Ieshuh Griffin had 4% of votes.

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Former CNN anchor John Avlon announces bid for Congress

Former CNN anchor John Avlon announced a bid Wednesday for New York’s first congressional district, claiming “democracy is in danger.”

In a video posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, Avlon said he was running to help preserve democracy and build a broad coalition against former President Trump, the current GOP presidential front-runner.

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And insisting Biden has senile dementia without a clinical examination report in hand isn't grasping at straws? I won't even say drumpf has that without proof, though there is more credible evidence in his case. We haven't eliminated the more verifiable facts that he's just stupid and miswired.

I admit that I've seen better choices for president. That's too bad, but so it goes. Still, if I have to choose between an old guy whose biggest problem is that his on-camera charisma scores approach zero, and a legally proven crook with a bad wig who has given top secret material to Putin so he can get the Iron Curtain back, the choice is still an easy one.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:37 am And insisting Biden has senile dementia without a clinical examination report in hand isn't grasping at straws? I won't even say drumpf has that without proof, though there is more credible evidence in his case. We haven't eliminated the more verifiable facts that he's just stupid and miswired.

I admit that I've seen better choices for president. That's too bad, but so it goes. Still, if I have to choose between an old guy whose biggest problem is that his on-camera charisma scores approach zero, and a legally proven crook with a bad wig who has given top secret material to Putin so he can get the Iron Curtain back, the choice is still an easy one.
The last two Republican Presidents have been complete and total disasters. The last two Dem Presidents have been good, decent men that took their oaths to our nation seriously, and have done their level best for our country.

Anyone voting Republican today is voting AGAINST our nation.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:37 am And insisting Biden has senile dementia without a clinical examination report in hand isn't grasping at straws? I won't even say drumpf has that without proof, though there is more credible evidence in his case. We haven't eliminated the more verifiable facts that he's just stupid and miswired.

I admit that I've seen better choices for president. That's too bad, but so it goes. Still, if I have to choose between an old guy whose biggest problem is that his on-camera charisma scores approach zero, and a legally proven crook with a bad wig who has given top secret material to Putin so he can get the Iron Curtain back, the choice is still an easy one.
We know what we see and he refuses to take a cognitive test.
Plus let's not forget he has had brain surgery twice.
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I failed to note that charisma scores do not predict how good a person will do the tough job of POTUS. They do have a certain predictive power on what kind of TV ratings he'd get if he starred in a reality show, which drumpf btw did. Unfortunately for anyone who had to suffer through his wretched excuse for a presidency, the government of the United States may look like a bad TV show at times, but it's not one.

Government by TV ratings is the biggest mistake since the Fugitive Slave Law.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:37 am And insisting Biden has senile dementia without a clinical examination report in hand isn't grasping at straws? I won't even say drumpf has that without proof, though there is more credible evidence in his case. We haven't eliminated the more verifiable facts that he's just stupid and miswired.

I admit that I've seen better choices for president. That's too bad, but so it goes. Still, if I have to choose between an old guy whose biggest problem is that his on-camera charisma scores approach zero, and a legally proven crook with a bad wig who has given top secret material to Putin so he can get the Iron Curtain back, the choice is still an easy one.
Two numbers to remember.

Biden is 81 years old.

Trump has 91 criminal charges.

I'll take the number 81 any day.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:48 pm Two numbers to remember.

Biden is 81 years old.

Trump has 91 criminal charges.

I'll take the number 81 any day.


The problem is that Biden might not win while there are many democrats who would easily win.

If current polls are correct, and I doubt they are Trump flips Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina. Making the final count 269 to 269.
If that were to happen no matter which candidate gets chosen it will be a hot mess.

Biden is exactly like the elderly person who thinks they can still drive. Except he is driving our nation. He should have never ran for reelection.
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Government by TV ratings is the biggest mistake since the Fugitive Slave Law.>

https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/ant ... 55063.html
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:19 pm The problem is that Biden might not win while there are many democrats who would easily win.

If current polls are correct, and I doubt they are Trump flips Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina. Making the final count 269 to 269.
If that were to happen no matter which candidate gets chosen it will be a hot mess.

Biden is exactly like the elderly person who thinks they can still drive. Except he is driving our nation. He should have never ran for reelection.
You always attack Biden and defend Trump. Biden is still 100 times the man and President that Trump is/was.

Something you'll never agree with, and that's telling.
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gounion wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:16 am You always attack Biden and defend Trump. Biden is still 100 times the man and President that Trump is/was.

Something you'll never agree with, and that's telling.
No I tell the truth about both men.
If saying I believe Trump is mentally ill defending him. Then I would say that is evidence of your Trump obsession.

If the polls are even close to being correct I would say Trump has about a 45pct chance of winning. More if Biden doesn't get away with hiding from the public another 18 months or so.

Or worse yet gets in front of the public and melts down.
We are down to our last two hopes
Somehow Trump is legally declared ineligible
Biden steps down at the convention

If either man is elected our next president the country is fucked.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:32 am No I tell the truth about both men.
If saying I believe Trump is mentally ill defending him. Then I would say that is evidence of your Trump obsession.

If the polls are even close to being correct I would say Trump has about a 45pct chance of winning. More if Biden doesn't get away with hiding from the public another 18 months or so.

Or worse yet gets in front of the public and melts down.
We are down to our last two hopes
Somehow Trump is legally declared ineligible
Biden steps down at the convention

If either man is elected our next president the country is fucked.
You would think you would support someone besides Trump for the nomination if you didn't support him. But you haven't - you even said you were going to dishonestly register as a Democrat to vote in the Dem primary to vote against Biden. But you just haven't really ever talked about anyone else in the primary running against Trump. You just harp on Biden.

Biden is still 100 times the man and President that Trump is/was.

Something you'll never agree with, and that's telling.
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gounion wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:36 am You would think you would support someone besides Trump for the nomination if you didn't support him. But you haven't - you even said you were going to dishonestly register as a Democrat to vote in the Dem primary to vote against Biden. But you just haven't really ever talked about anyone else in the primary running against Trump. You just harp on Biden.

Biden is still 100 times the man and President that Trump is/was.

Something you'll never agree with, and that's telling.
Because I don't want to see Trump president. Let's not forget a member of the squad is openly asking people to not vote for Biden.
Something you refuse to talk about.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:57 am Because I don't want to see Trump president. Let's not forget a member of the squad is openly asking people to not vote for Biden.
Something you refuse to talk about.
No, if you didn’t want to see Trump as President, you would have supported someone else, which you never really did. You were going to vote in the Dem primary, not your own.
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gounion wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:04 am No, if you didn’t want to see Trump as President, you would have supported someone else, which you never really did. You were going to vote in the Dem primary, not your own.
Sp you are saying the Michigan Congresswoman wants Trump to be president. Hmmmm
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