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c) At least get this thing straight - a big part of support for Israel in this country and probably more than that by Jews is by Christian Zionists, of which there are probably more. From my experience, the Christian Zionists tend to be more pro-Likud, pro-settlements than the Jewish ones I know, who are mostly in the Democratic party.


CUFI alone brags that it has 2 million members. When my parents were alive, they were among them, as well as International Conference of Christians and Jews, which isn't quite as lethal and vile as CUFI, but most of Christian Zionism is a tire fire of domestic and exported social bigotry to the Middle East.

CZs are the biggest antisemites around, due to their theology that calls/hopes/prays for the eventual destruction of Israel and conversion of Jews and everybody else on Planet Earth to Christianity. But especially Jews.

So those Zionists cynically in bed with Christian Zionists who are also making a big stink out of a tweet while throwing their support behind a president who stacks his cabinet full of CZs can miss me with that.

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And this is an OLD SCHOOL republican, this is what we are dying to go BACK to. for fuck sake - as in rump and team are worse, but Abrams fits right in

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YOU are GONNA LOVE THIS


https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/trump- ... guatemala/






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And this is an OLD SCHOOL republican, this is what we are dying to go BACK to. for fuck sake - as in rump and team are worse, but Abrams fits right in

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Oh yeah I was going to post about her riding his hide today.

Elliott Abrams is the very worst. Iran-Contra/Guatemala a-hole. Freaks...

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I also sure hope the people freaking out about Omar's tweet don't also support Turning Point USA, whos Comm's director just made excuses for Hitler.

She gets a pass because she's one of the most frothing-at-the-mouth alt-right nutjobs in town. What an a-hole.

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Conservative activist Candace Owens said at an event in Great Britain in December that it would have been “fine” if Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler had confined his goals to Germany and not attempted to impose his regime on other countries, BuzzFeed News reported Friday.

Owens is the communications director of the right-wing organization Turning Point USA, one of the largest student political groups in the country. She was speaking at a forum in London as part of the launch of the group’s sister organization in the United Kingdom. When asked by an audience member about nationalism, she pointed out that most Americans associate nationalism with Hitler.

“He was a national socialist,” she said. “But if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. In thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism. I really don’t.”


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True fact: Abrams was on my campus for some foreign policy conference just a few days before this announcement that he would be our satrap for Venezuela.

Thing is, I admit a bit of surprise right then, because I actually wasn't sure he was still alive.

There was a Q & A. Nobody asked him about Iran Contra or that other stuff (his panel also didn't really touch on Venezuela, either).

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So those Zionists cynically in bed with Christian Zionists who are also making a big stink out of a tweet while throwing their support behind a president who stacks his cabinet full of CZs can miss me with that.


So, we've discussed this. Hagee is a fascinating beast.

On the one hand, he rejects supercessionism. That's good. It's this kind of 2000 year Pauline hangover. I respect him for at least daring to tell fellow Christians that Jews are no longer obsolete and superseded by Christianity.

On the other, this "Holocaust as Hunter" crap? So it really was a kind of divine mercy to have the Holocaust because it chased 50% of the world's Jews back to Israel?

Liberal Jews get a bit of nausea from the rest of his moral theology, particularly his typical evangelistic views on LGBT/abortion/etc.

He doesn't seem to want all the Jews in Israel to convert for some end-times scenario. Of course, other people in the CZ orbit are very much into the Book of Revelation, and that is how they view it.

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https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1 ... 7446789121


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While this is funny, I do NOT know how we are not in the streets with more than signs :twisted:

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Viewer nailed this earlier.

Trump, standing before the Republican Jewish Coalition, basically told them they were all good with money (a Jewish stereotype) and that they are used to getting their way with their money, but he didn't need it.

BTW, before he was a politician, Trump famously nailed two stereotypes at once. He said in an interview he didn't want Blacks counting his money because they couldn't be trusted, but he wanted "people with lids" (Jews) counting his money instead (presumably because they were innately better at it).

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Viewer nailed this earlier.

Trump, standing before the Republican Jewish Coalition, basically told them they were all good with money (a Jewish stereotype) and that they are used to getting their way with their money, but he didn't need it.

BTW, before he was a politician, Trump famously nailed two stereotypes at once. He said in an interview he didn't want Blacks counting his money because they couldn't be trusted, but he wanted "people with lids" (Jews) counting his money instead (presumably because they were innately better at it).


Single worst human being who ever lived who did not order the deaths of lots of people, that we know of.

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I think it's a dead heat between Trump and Andrew Jackson for the worst American ever.

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So, we've discussed this. Hagee is a fascinating beast.

On the one hand, he rejects supercessionism. That's good. It's this kind of 2000 year Pauline hangover. I respect him for at least daring to tell fellow Christians that Jews are no longer obsolete and superseded by Christianity.

On the other, this "Holocaust as Hunter" crap? So it really was a kind of divine mercy to have the Holocaust because it chased 50% of the world's Jews back to Israel?

Liberal Jews get a bit of nausea from the rest of his moral theology, particularly his typical evangelistic views on LGBT/abortion/etc.

He doesn't seem to want all the Jews in Israel to convert for some end-times scenario. Of course, other people in the CZ orbit are very much into the Book of Revelation, and that is how they view it.

Beast? An ass in particular. Another in a stream of RW religionists. Everything about him makes me want to wash out my brain when I happen to see or hear him.

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I think it's a dead heat between Trump and Andrew Jackson for the worst American ever.


All if a sudden George W. Bush has seen improvement in his stock? At this point he's the worst two term president in the history of the country. Just ask the 600,000 dead Iraqis and over 3,000 dead Americans who would otherwise be alive today were it not for his little war of personal legacy.

Trump has a long long way to go to match W's body count.

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So, we've discussed this. Hagee is a fascinating beast.

On the one hand, he rejects supercessionism. That's good. It's this kind of 2000 year Pauline hangover. I respect him for at least daring to tell fellow Christians that Jews are no longer obsolete and superseded by Christianity.

On the other, this "Holocaust as Hunter" crap? So it really was a kind of divine mercy to have the Holocaust because it chased 50% of the world's Jews back to Israel?

Liberal Jews get a bit of nausea from the rest of his moral theology, particularly his typical evangelistic views on LGBT/abortion/etc.

He doesn't seem to want all the Jews in Israel to convert for some end-times scenario. Of course, other people in the CZ orbit are very much into the Book of Revelation, and that is how they view it.


Thing about Hagee is that he can't be trusted any further than his big stupid butt can be thrown.

He does repudiate a form of supersessionism associated with pretrib premillennialism, in theory, true. But you can tell by the way he, Robertson (with whom he's squarely in bed), and the rest of the CZs act right here at home that their intent is to force everyone on the planet into their lifestyle choice.

Plus, yeah, the stuff he says.

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Huh. Well.

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It is a lobby. They do lobby politicians. They do definitely try and mobilize voters in their districts that they target. The only thing they can't do as a PAC (they are not a Political Action Committee) spend directly on candidates and campaigns, so they don't. Now, of course, do they coordinate with other actual PACs, yeah, they do.

Every lobby spends money. Maybe not directly, but indirectly. We could talk about the lobbying in this country for/by the United Arab Emirates, and South Korea, and other countries, too. It's a lot of money as well.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres ... 2019-02-11

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The pro-Israel lobby is a significant player in terms of political donations, contributing $14.9 million in the 2018 election cycle, according to data from OpenSecrets.org, a website tracking money in politics that’s run by a nonpartisan research group, the Center for Responsive Politics. (*)

The center ranks this lobby as the 50th-biggest spender in the last cycle — well behind the securities and investment industry at No. 1 with its $399 million, as well as lagging the electronics industry at No. 19 with its $57 million.

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The pro-Israel lobby tends to donate more to Democrats than Republicans, having shown higher levels of giving to Democrats In every election cycle since 1990. That’s shown in the center’s chart above. Republicans had been getting a rising share of the contributions in this decade, scoring as much as 47% of pro-Israel interest groups’ money in the 2016 election cycle vs. Democrats’ 53% — up from only 28% for the GOP in 2002. But that trend abated in the 2018 cycle, with Republicans getting just 36% of the outlays.

In addition to the spending by pro-Israel interest groups in the U.S., OpenSecrets.org data based on Foreign Agents Registration Act filings show Israel’s government spent $15.8 million on lobbying-related efforts in 2018, while the nonprofit Jewish Agency for Israel spent $8.3 million. Another country known for its efforts to influence U.S. officials — Saudi Arabia — had its government spend $9.8 million on lobbying in 2018, alongside other Saudi outlays.

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(*) BTW, it looks like the bigger overall individual spender in 2018 was JStreetPAC, which is an actual PAC.

Look, you know this, CJ. I haven't been a fan of AIPAC since my Dad dragged me there in 2004. I wouldn't go back and I don't support them anymore. I kind of feel like on this issue Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is Scylla and AIPAC is Charybdis. J Street is where I'm at, which is not with Rebecca Vilkommerson.

I just bristle a bit when people say our government is "controlled by AIPAC". It just sounds to me like another version of ZOG. Could be why David Duke likes it so much.

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I think it's a dead heat between Trump and Andrew Jackson for the worst American ever.


Consider Grover Cleveland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland

As I sift through what he did and how he did it I keep getting whiffs of Trump. There's, bad things, a couple nice things, upside down inside out things, and idiotic things about old Grover rolling in clover. And gold. He lead the Gold Democrats, they were kind of like tea partiers of old.

I don't think Trump's the first Trump we've had. The worst thing about realizing it about it is old stinking clover managed to get elected, then he split his party in some similar ways to how Trump has split his, was primaried out. Then he came back got elected again.

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That was back when Democrats were the conservatives, and Republican were the liberals.


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It is a lobby. They do lobby politicians. They do definitely try and mobilize voters in their districts that they target. The only thing they can't do as a PAC (they are not a Political Action Committee) spend directly on candidates and campaigns, so they don't. Now, of course, do they coordinate with other actual PACs, yeah, they do.

Every lobby spends money. Maybe not directly, but indirectly. We could talk about the lobbying in this country for/by the United Arab Emirates, and South Korea, and other countries, too. It's a lot of money as well.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres ... 2019-02-11

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The pro-Israel lobby is a significant player in terms of political donations, contributing $14.9 million in the 2018 election cycle, according to data from OpenSecrets.org, a website tracking money in politics that’s run by a nonpartisan research group, the Center for Responsive Politics. (*)

The center ranks this lobby as the 50th-biggest spender in the last cycle — well behind the securities and investment industry at No. 1 with its $399 million, as well as lagging the electronics industry at No. 19 with its $57 million.

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The pro-Israel lobby tends to donate more to Democrats than Republicans, having shown higher levels of giving to Democrats In every election cycle since 1990. That’s shown in the center’s chart above. Republicans had been getting a rising share of the contributions in this decade, scoring as much as 47% of pro-Israel interest groups’ money in the 2016 election cycle vs. Democrats’ 53% — up from only 28% for the GOP in 2002. But that trend abated in the 2018 cycle, with Republicans getting just 36% of the outlays.

In addition to the spending by pro-Israel interest groups in the U.S., OpenSecrets.org data based on Foreign Agents Registration Act filings show Israel’s government spent $15.8 million on lobbying-related efforts in 2018, while the nonprofit Jewish Agency for Israel spent $8.3 million. Another country known for its efforts to influence U.S. officials — Saudi Arabia — had its government spend $9.8 million on lobbying in 2018, alongside other Saudi outlays.

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(*) BTW, it looks like the bigger overall individual spender in 2018 was JStreetPAC, which is an actual PAC.

Look, you know this, CJ. I haven't been a fan of AIPAC since my Dad dragged me there in 2004. I wouldn't go back and I don't support them anymore. I kind of feel like on this issue Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is Scylla and AIPAC is Charybdis. J Street is where I'm at, which is not with Rebecca Vilkommerson.

I just bristle a bit when people say our government is "controlled by AIPAC". It just sounds to me like another version of ZOG. Could be why David Duke likes it so much.


Well, our government really is literally controlled at the moment by CZs. I wish people like Omar and all her detractors as well as defenders would talk about it, but due to the conditions created by pervasive, cultural antisemitism, they don't. All these freakouts about a tweet, and yet this administration alone is packed to the gills with CZs.

Re: JStreet, Jeremy Ben-Ami isn't going to earn any friends from the frothing-at-the-mouth Zionist rightwing (be they Jewish or CZ) with this...Stop Alleging Anti-Semitism Just to Score Political Points - Atlantic

I kind of don't even want to read this, because I already know he's gonna get dragged for it.

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Simple truth is if AIPAC wasnt related to Jewish folks, they wouldnt get the attention they get. According to someone at DU who I am assuming is FULL OF SHIT the PAC is loaded with dual citizenship folks who only live here or have citizenship here so they can effect our politics as to Israel.

Do they say that about other groups? Without checking I bet not.

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I do not know if that claim is true, I have heard but I do not believe it. As opposed the Russian who come to the U.S. to their babies and then dual Russian/U.S. Citizenship....

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I do not know if that claim is true, I have heard but I do not believe it. As opposed the Russian who come to the U.S. to their babies and then dual Russian/U.S. Citizenship....

Russians, of course, makes sense.

I remember an "All In The Family Episode", the swastika, and the radical group of folks that came to help them deal with the bigots. Mr. Lear was trying to send a message, make a point, I never forgot it but I actually think about it when I am feeling RAGE in my heart.

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I kind of don't even want to read this, because I already know he's gonna get dragged for it.


Well, that last paragraph sounds shockingly right to me.

jeremy ben ami wrote:
The majority of Americans support a two-state solution, recognize the humanity of both peoples, and reject the absurd idea that one side or the other bears sole responsibility for the conflict. Instead of debating who’s the bigger bigot, the 2020 candidates should explain how the United States will be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine by helping the two peoples find a way out of their tragic and deteriorating conflict.


I so appreciate clarity.

BTW, the "Trump/Kushner Peace Plan" looks DOA, and nobody's even going to get to see it until April. :(

As for me, I'm hoping at least Israeli PM Benny Gantz will be the one to look it over after the elections are over.

Hopefully, the President Buttigieg Peace Plan, come 2020, may be the real deal. :mrgreen: I kid, I kid - or do I?

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Is there a known election fraud issue in Israel as here? If there is it benefits Bibi of course as in it is done by his side. It seems common sense someone who is clearly a criminal as Bibi is as Rump is cant be reelected, but it is NOT that simple apparently.

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Simple truth is if AIPAC wasnt related to Jewish folks, they wouldnt get the attention they get. According to someone at DU who I am assuming is FULL OF SHIT the PAC is loaded with dual citizenship folks who only live here or have citizenship here so they can effect our politics as to Israel.


That is bullcrap. First off, not everybody in the org is Jewish. As CJ notes, there are plenty of CZs. Secondly, the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. That is, you can have (for example) both Canadian and American citizenship but the U.S. only recognizes the latter. Third, despite this, yes, there are some people who do have it, but most of the membership of AIPAC are American SINGLE CITIZEN Jews.

Even Bernie Sanders got asked about this in 2016. You know, he lived on a kibbutz. I also have lived in Israel, at least for a few months at a time. Living in Israel doesn't mean you have citizenship. (The Law of Return provides eligibility but it's not given unless you request it, and it's not handed out like chocolate. There is a process.) There appear to be some idiots who think so, but it's not true. Also, BTW, is this really more problematic than being a dual Canadian citizen? Israel is an ally (like Canada, unlike Russia). I may not agree with some of the more neocon/RW Jews out there, but I actually don't believe they want to undermine America by supporting Israel; generally, they MISTAKENLY appear to think their position is beneficial for both countries. :D

This whole trope about dual loyalty is actually what led to Zionism in the first place. Theodor Herzl actually was a journalist covering the Alfred Dreyfus trial in France. Lots of people knew it was a frame up job, he was accused of being a traitor to France, but as others like Emile Zola realized, he was being framed over anti-Semitism. And in that case, that he was "more loyal to the Jews than to France" ...

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Is there a known election fraud issue in Israel as here? If there is it benefits Bibi of course as in it is done by his side. It seems common sense someone who is clearly a criminal as Bibi is as Rump is cant be reelected, but it is NOT that simple apparently.


Yeah that's just classic "dual loyalties" antisemitism.

What doesn't help is our own foreign policy language that includes "special relationship". It's only a "special relationship" because look at the hot mess that is Israel's neighbors. :?

But antisemites hear "special relationship" and start getting obsessing over their Protocols collections, again. :problem:

Just anecdotally, though, someone needs to look into Russian trolls and bots trying to influence American Jews into Trumpism and rightwing voting, because I've kind of watched it happen on social, over the past 3 years or so. But yeah, that's purely anecdotal. I sure hope I'm wrong about it.

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That is bullcrap. First off, not everybody in the org is Jewish. As CJ notes, there are plenty of CZs. Secondly, the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship. That is, you can have (for example) both Canadian and American citizenship but the U.S. only recognizes the latter. Third, despite this, yes, there are some people who do have it, but most of the membership of AIPAC are American SINGLE CITIZEN Jews.

Even Bernie Sanders got asked about this in 2016. You know, he lived on a kibbutz. I also have lived in Israel, at least for a few months at a time. Living in Israel doesn't mean you have citizenship. (The Law of Return provides eligibility but it's not given unless you request it, and it's not handed out like chocolate. There is a process.) There appear to be some idiots who think so, but it's not true. Also, BTW, is this really more problematic than being a dual Canadian citizen? Israel is an ally (like Canada, unlike Russia). I may not agree with some of the more neocon/RW Jews out there, but I actually don't believe they want to undermine America by supporting Israel; generally, they MISTAKENLY appear to think their position is beneficial for both countries. :D

This whole trope about dual loyalty is actually what led to Zionism in the first place. Theodor Herzl actually was a journalist covering the Alfred Dreyfus trial in France. Lots of people knew it was a frame up job, he was accused of being a traitor to France, but as others like Emile Zola realized, he was being framed over anti-Semitism. And in that case, that he was "more loyal to the Jews than to France" ...


I will use this next time I see that bigot talking.

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