What’s going to happen to Trump Mon Mar 25 2024?

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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:23 pm OK so you don't believe going after Trump was politically motivated.
I'm not going to say that it wasn't a consideration, it may well have played a role, in either direction.The investigation started well before he announced he'd be running again.

When you run for office, you are going to be scrutinized, more intensely the higher the office.

I do believe that he'd have been investigated even if he never did run for office. I get the impression that he's not well liked in NYC, and viewed as potentially corrupt with horrible business ethics that, more than anything, is the genesis of the investigations. So, I guess you could say that the biggest cause of Donald Trump's legal troubles is Donald.Trump
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gounion wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:25 pm So you think Joe Biden has ordered all the cases against Biden?
No I think Trump is the most hated person in progressive circles of all time.
In a place like Manhattan they are doing anything they can to bring him down. Because they believe that us what is best for the country.

In places like Fulton County Georgia politicians are using the hatred of Trump to further their personal wealth and professional status.
President Biden would not be bothered with ordering charges against Trump. As president he has much more important world issues to deal with than something as petty as going after Trump.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:43 pm No I think Trump is the most hated person in progressive circles of all time.
In a place like Manhattan they are doing anything they can to bring him down. Because they believe that us what is best for the country.

In places like Fulton County Georgia politicians are using the hatred of Trump to further their personal wealth and professional status.
President Biden would not be bothered with ordering charges against Trump. As president he has much more important world issues to deal with than something as petty as going after Trump.
That's what Trump is saying.

But if I were a DA, I'd bring the same charges. Trump and his minions tried to fix the election in Georgia, and broke the law.

Same for all the other charges. There's NOTHING that they are bring that he isn't obviously guilty of. It's easy to see that he's guilty.
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Toonces wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:55 am Ill gotten gains are gains made through crime.

New York State DOES NOT REQUIRE a victim for fraud. In fact, I believe it's more than just NYS. The requirements are more stringent for criminal fraud, which this is not. Still, there were victims, as was explained in the Jon Stewart clip (not based on his opinion)

I've already linked to an article which explains how the penalty was calculated l. He'll, even glen accepted it.

I am not presenting unfounded opinions here. I'm posting factual information which I've "footnoted". Unfortunately, I cannot read the links for you, nor can I make.you read them.
The article I saw was for criminal fraud which this is not. I’ll gotten gains come at someone’s expense. How do you calculate them? Whom did he profit from? I’m still waiting for those answers. You say he got better terms. On which deal. Which bank? What was the proper valuation? What was the proper rate? You can claim there were ill gotten gains all day long but nobody seems to know how that was determined. At some point in time someone is going to have to explain how these numbers were determined. You can bet it will come up on appeal.
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gounion wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:57 pm That's what Trump is saying.

But if I were a DA, I'd bring the same charges. Trump and his minions tried to fix the election in Georgia, and broke the law.

Same for all the other charges. There's NOTHING that they are bring that he isn't obviously guilty of. It's easy to see that he's guilty.
IMO guilty or not the only charges that have been or will be levied against Trump which aren't politically motivated will be the ones brought by the Federal Special Prosecutor.

The New York charges including the rape which cannot be proven or disproven would have never happened had Trump remained a con man involved in entertainment and real estate.

The Georgia charges are simply a county prosecutor who seived upon a chance to become rich and powerful. Now has there not been a Federal Government Special Prosecutor looking into Trump the charges would have been legitimate.

The charges coming forth from Jack Smith will all be legitimate and not politically motivated. However the timing of naming hom was 100pct politically motivated.
Otherwise he would have been named before the midterms not after.
But, that isn't his fault and doesn't reflect upon his legitimacy.
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Toonces wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:42 pm I'm not going to say that it wasn't a consideration, it may well have played a role, in either direction.The investigation started well before he announced he'd be running again.

When you run for office, you are going to be scrutinized, more intensely the higher the office.

I do believe that he'd have been investigated even if he never did run for office. I get the impression that he's not well liked in NYC, and viewed as potentially corrupt with horrible business ethics that, more than anything, is the genesis of the investigations. So, I guess you could say that the biggest cause of Donald Trump's legal troubles is Donald.Trump
Seeing how that is the way he has done business fir decades and they did not investigate any future than Trump. I would say they are 100pct politically motivated.
Especially considering there was no victims and everyone made money while nobody lost money.
Prosecution of one person for a crime many people committed is just plain wrong.
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Well, whatever. He broke the law, thus he was charged for him criming. They're not picking on someone totally innocent.

Want to avoid being charged with crimes, don't commit crimes.

That's where we are.

It's not as if these cases are the first time he's had legal troubles.

Same with Hunter. They've gone after him politically, unless you can convince me that members of Congress are showing naked photos of other scofflaws.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:28 pm Seeing how that is the way he has done business fir decades and they did not investigate any future than Trump. I would say they are 100pct politically motivated.
Especially considering there was no victims and everyone made money while nobody lost money.
Prosecution of one person for a crime many people committed is just plain wrong.
Thank you for repeating Donald's talking points. You have them memorized.
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Truth Social is just like every other non-real estate business he’s ever had - a disaster that won’t survive. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/busine ... rcna145831
An auditor has raised doubts about the ability of Donald Trump's publicly traded company to stay in business, according to a new regulatory filing.

Trump Media and Technology Group, which operates the Truth Social platform, reported it lost $58.2 million in 2023 while generating total revenues of $4.1 million, according to the Monday filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Trump Media listed its largest expense for the year as interest payments totaling more than $39 million.

The filing includes a note from an independent accounting firm, Colorado-based BF Borgers CPA PC, warning that Trump Media's "operating losses raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern." The firm has worked with Trump Media since 2022.

The note is dated March 25, the day before Trump's company started trading on the Nasdaq stock exchange under the symbol DJT, surging at first and earning comparisons to so-called meme stocks.

Shares of the company fell more than 21% to $48.66 on Monday. Its market value stood at more than $6.5 billion.

A spokesperson for Trump Media did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In the filing, the company acknowledged that it expects to operate at a loss for the "foreseeable future" as it works to expand Truth Social's user base and attract more advertisers. It said it would be "premature" to predict when it will attain profitability and positive cash flows from its operations. It said it would need bridge funding of between $5 million and $60 million.
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gounion wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:36 pm Truth Social is just like every other non-real estate business he’s ever had - a disaster that won’t survive. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/busine ... rcna145831
All he needs is for it to survive 6 months at which time he can short or outright sell his stock.

He has 76 million shares so even if it is selling for 20 a share in 6 months he stands to pick up 1.5 billion.

Considering he really has no or very little actual money invested anything he gets out of his stock will be profit to him.
I imagine his other business failures also made him a personal profit.

So if a person starts a business and the business loses money and goes belly up but, that individual makes a personal profit is that a failure?

It seems to me that it would be part of the business plan all along. If the business in successful the individual makes money. If the business fails the individual still makes money. It sounds almost like a successful and legal scam.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:44 am All he needs is for it to survive 6 months at which time he can short or outright sell his stock.

He has 76 million shares so even if it is selling for 20 a share in 6 months he stands to pick up 1.5 billion.

Considering he really has no or very little actual money invested anything he gets out of his stock will be profit to him.
I imagine his other business failures also made him a personal profit.

So if a person starts a business and the business loses money and goes belly up but, that individual makes a personal profit is that a failure?

It seems to me that it would be part of the business plan all along. If the business in successful the individual makes money. If the business fails the individual still makes money. It sounds almost like a successful and legal scam.
Glenn, if your business made four million in income last year, but LOST fifty-four million, would you call yourself a successful businessman?

Yes or no?

I mean, really.
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Toonces wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:25 pm I guess the question is. Does Donald Trump deserve preferential treatment?

He is not required to put up a bond to appeal. However, the seizure of assets can still occur, in that instance. So, yes he can appeal without bond but the fine will still be levied. If he wins on appeal, he can get it all back, unless the assets have been sold in which case he'd get that value.

It's how it works for anyone in this position. They can lower the bond but are not required to do so. Considering how is has reacted during and post-trial, he may not be granted any leniency.

To be clear, this is 100% his own doing. He put himself in this position, he was not forced to do what he did and say what he did. He's an adult and, like anyone else, should be responsible for his actions. It would have been a lot better for him if he didn't commit fraud AND just stopped talking. The amount is neither unprecedented nor is it unreasonable. He overstated his net worth repeatedly. He has only himself to blame. Though, we should have seen that coming since he misrepresents his worth. Habba repeatedly stated that he had the money. Habba does seem to have a knack for things costing more than they could have, for Donald. Only the best people! So, I'm not going to be surprised if Donald's inability to just shut up has cost him. We know it did with EJC. Seriously, lock the man in a room with a Nintendo and he'd be doing better.

Like Hunter. Hunter put himself into the position he is in and is responsible for his actions. If Hunter has big fines and/or jail time then Hunter should pay the big fines and/or jail time.

Just as an aside. I don't hate Donald. If he needed a transplant and I was the only donor, I would do it (although, his age and overall health make me wonder if it would be worth it). If he needed money for a meal, I would give it to him. Obviously, I wouldn't expect it to be repaid, but that's just common sense.
You make a lot of valid points. The main thing I would ask or wonder does Trump deserve to be the only contractor charged or investigated for this crime.
Had Trump never ran for President there would be no lawsuit to appeal.
So yes he is guilty and yes he put himself in this position. To which I would ad yes he does deserve to be treated like everyone else.
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It’s fucking hilarious listening to Joe and Glenn mindlessly parrot Trump’s “victimless crime” talking point, a talking point that has nothing to do with reality in our nation. But Trump says it, they believe it.

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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:52 am It’s fucking hilarious listening to Joe and Glenn mindlessly parrot Trump’s “victimless crime” talking point, a talking point that has nothing to do with reality in our nation. But Trump says it, they believe it.

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So who was the victim in Trump's crime?
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:38 am So who was the victim in Trump's crime?
The financial system. Same way that if you're counterfeiting money, it brings down the financial system.

But this all went over your head, didn't it? You don't get it that Trump is lying to you. You're a dupe.
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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:44 am The financial system. Same way that if you're counterfeiting money, it brings down the financial system.

But this all went over your head, didn't it? You don't get it that Trump is lying to you. You're a dupe.
If you don't get that Trump did exactly what every other developer on that level does and the financial organizations know exactly what is going on and looks the other way then you are a dupe.

It is selective prosecution because he got involved in politics. Otherwise thecDA would be investigating others who received loans from those same investment firms. As well as charging the firms.

Call that defending Trump if you like. But it is wrong and un-American to selectively prosecute a person because they became involved in politics. While ignoring others committing the same crimes.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:38 am If you don't get that Trump did exactly what every other developer on that level does and the financial organizations know exactly what is going on and looks the other way then you are a dupe.

It is selective prosecution because he got involved in politics. Otherwise thecDA would be investigating others who received loans from those same investment firms. As well as charging the firms.

Call that defending Trump if you like. But it is wrong and un-American to selectively prosecute a person because they became involved in politics. While ignoring others committing the same crimes.
Yep, it’s defending Trump.

And no, every other developer does NOT do this. They DON’T lie and triple the size of a property. They DON’T all lie on government forms.

It’s not selective prosecution. It’s when someone puts themselves out like this and people start looking into their background this is what happens.

I mean, were you bitching about things when Newt went after Bill Clinton over the blowjob, then it turned out most of the GOP, including Newt himself, were doing the same thing?

The “no victim” thing isn’t a thing - it’s just something that Trump made up. Look at the cartoon - if someone voted illegally in an election where a candidate won by tens of thousands, who’s the victim there?

You and Joe are just stupid enough to believe Donald Trump.
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Wow.

Democrats introduce bill to name Miami prison after Trump

A trio of House Democrats introduced legislation to rename a Miami prison after former President Trump.

Congressmen Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), Jared Moskowitz (D-Fla.), and John Garamendi (D-Calif.) introduced legislation Friday to change the name of the Miami Federal Correctional Institution in Florida to “Donald J. Trump Federal Correctional Institution.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4577 ... son-trump/
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Trump says going to jail for gag order violation would be a ‘great honor,’ compares himself to Mandela

Donald Trump on Saturday said he welcomed the prospect of going to jail for violating a gag order in his upcoming New York hush money trial.

“I will gladly become a Modern Day Nelson Mandela — It will be my GREAT HONOR,” the former president wrote in a lengthy Truth Social post attacking New York State Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan, who is presiding over Trump’s case.


https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/06/trump-b ... honor.html
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A Guide to the Trump Hush-Money Trial

DONALD TRUMP APPEARS to be in full panic mode over the rapidly approaching trial of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s criminal case against him. Bragg has charged Trump with 34 counts of “falsifying business records.” The trial is scheduled to begin next Monday, April 15.

Trump’s manic outburst over Easter weekend, seemingly triggered by the approach of the trial, dialed up the crazy to a level unusual even for him. His “lengthy holiday temper tantrum” featured a stream of social-media posts raging against the usual cast of perceived enemies, but he “saved the brunt of his ire” for Bragg. Morning Joe counted seventy-seven posts, a “shock opera” of grievance that included Trump likening himself to Jesus. And it didn’t stop there. Even an expanded gag order entered by the trial judge after Trump’s holiday meltdown didn’t stop him from promoting a video attacking the judge’s daughter.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/guide-trum ... agg-stormy
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ap215 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:34 am A Guide to the Trump Hush-Money Trial

DONALD TRUMP APPEARS to be in full panic mode over the rapidly approaching trial of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s criminal case against him. Bragg has charged Trump with 34 counts of “falsifying business records.” The trial is scheduled to begin next Monday, April 15.

Trump’s manic outburst over Easter weekend, seemingly triggered by the approach of the trial, dialed up the crazy to a level unusual even for him. His “lengthy holiday temper tantrum” featured a stream of social-media posts raging against the usual cast of perceived enemies, but he “saved the brunt of his ire” for Bragg. Morning Joe counted seventy-seven posts, a “shock opera” of grievance that included Trump likening himself to Jesus. And it didn’t stop there. Even an expanded gag order entered by the trial judge after Trump’s holiday meltdown didn’t stop him from promoting a video attacking the judge’s daughter.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/guide-trum ... agg-stormy
He is definitely going to be found guilty. The questions are what happens next and will it help him or hurt him politically.

Imo the Georgia deal has helped him. This one I am not so sure about. While the prosecution is 100pct politically motivated it is very obvious that he did commit the crime.
That and unlike I. Georgia where you had a prosecutor in way over their head. The New York Prosecutor deals with cases on this level on a regular basis. So unlike Georgia the New York prosecutor knows what she is doing.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:51 am He is definitely going to be found guilty. The questions are what happens next and will it help him or hurt him politically.

Imo the Georgia deal has helped him. This one I am not so sure about. While the prosecution is 100pct politically motivated it is very obvious that he did commit the crime.
That and unlike I. Georgia where you had a prosecutor in way over their head. The New York Prosecutor deals with cases on this level on a regular basis. So unlike Georgia the New York prosecutor knows what she is doing.
Are the investigations into Joe and Hunter Biden 100% political? I know you’re all for them.

And no, the Georgia prosecutions are for actual wrong-doing. Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. But you want him to walk because you’re into that victim thing.
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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:59 am Are the investigations into Joe and Hunter Biden 100% political? I know you’re all for them.

And no, the Georgia prosecutions are for actual wrong-doing. Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. But you want him to walk because you’re into that victim thing.
Joe yes Hunter no. Unless the Hunter investigation leads to Joe. Also the sweetheart deal Hunter almost got was political.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:49 am Joe yes Hunter no. Unless the Hunter investigation leads to Joe. Also the sweetheart deal Hunter almost got was political.
Did the Hunter deal happen in this country?

If Hunter should be pursued, why isn’t Jared’s MUCH LARGER deal being pursued?

You have quite the double standard.
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