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If it was only a historical artifact at this point, I wouldn't bother. Many stories about it cover it that way, unfortunately it appears not to be true.

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We can always expect ...


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Hey, when are you gonna post those PMs where I sought counsel and guidance from you?

we [ :problem: ] find the same blasting of any candidate not our own...to the extent that it has to generate hostility that will negatively impact the November election.


Statements like this are simply shut-up attempts.

The only reason you make these exaggerated claims is because of who is doing the talking, not what is actually being talked about, let alone "the November election".

On the one hand you say so loudly you don't GAS who "the SJW" votes for and yet you're mad as a struck hornet's nest, claiming that criticizing candidates during the primaries -- in which you don't even vote -- are going to somehow affect "the November election".

But then, this would be trying to find any trace of reason in the posts of a seething, irrational, violent misogynist edgelord.

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here we go again...



https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/121 ... 1287423179


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Vol and organizers used it on doors Sat.
After our report Sat., the camp killed the script b/c it was "sloppily worded"
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I told Stephanie Miller sanders doesnt want a dem in the WH if it isnt him...

a. he thinks he contrasts better when a con is in power, cant criticize as much if it is a dem, and it is after all, all about him

b. If a dem not him wins, he cant run again for 8 yrs.

Yeah, there is NO question he does NOT want a dem EVER in the WH...

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2020 CNN Democratic Presidential Primary Debate Drake University

Winners - Warren Sanders Biden

Losers - Buttigieg Klobuchar Debate Moderators

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We'll need a week or so to see if it has any impact on the Iowa polling. I await with interest.

So, the thing I find interesting is we have another story about the Rashomon like nature of human memory. Warren says Sanders told her in 2018 a woman never could win the presidency. Sanders insists he never said that. Is one or the other lying? We really have a "he said she said" situation AFAIK as no one else was in the room.

My guess is, something was said, but each of them remember it differently. Human memory is a fascinating thing. I remember the debate over whether or not Donald ever said "shithole countries". People in the room denied it, people in the room corroborated it.

Anyway, they are fighting for the top spot on Iowa, so their mutual non-aggression fact I expect will fade. Bernie's fans glorify him into something more, but he is a politician, and he will do what politicians need to do when pursuing political goals of elective office. Like hiring hatchet-men like David Sirota. BTW, I used to have a lot more respect for Sirota, but ... it's faded.

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Warren vs. Sanders. It's a sideshow of a sideshow. Biden is still the clear leader in the RCP national poll summary.

Real Clear Politics Latest 2020 Polling

And he's still the guy the GOP insiders still don't want to see as the nominee. Good enough for me.

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National polls are meaningless. State primary polls are what matters.

That said, while Bernie fans are jubilant over the possibility of him winning both IA and NH, which can give so-called "momentum," ... I can't see it overcoming massive deficits in a lot of the primary states coming up in contests after that. I'm not sure he will win both early states, but even if he does ... I think the Berniefans aren't paying attention to what he faces next in NV, SC, etc. Which seem insurmountable, momentum or no.

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2020 CNN Democratic Presidential Primary Debate Drake University

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winners - warren buttigieg klobuchar

losers - biden and sanders.

biden stumbled thru it and bernie was dismissive

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So, here's the RCP state snapshot at the moment.

IA is close to a four-way race, Liz is in fourth, but they are all fairly close in polling. It's close to a dead heat at the top for Biden and Sanders. Biden with a very teeny lead.

Iowa
Biden 20.7
Sanders 20.3
Buttigieg 18.7
Warren 16.0

NH is pretty much a three way race.

New Hampshire
Biden 23.3
Sanders 22.3
Warren 17.0

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Mayor Pete isn't even a close fourth there. Biden has a slight edge over Sanders.

It's too soon for the debates to affect this polling ... gonna have to wait, oh how I hate the waiting. :D

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Biden stumbles through everything. It's how he talks. Some disorder or other makes him stammer. You get used to it. Personally, I prefer it to the current scrotus and his high whiny voice, his gutter language, and the periodic lapses into total never never land.

I have the debate like this:

Warren
Tie: Biden and Klobuchar
Sanders
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Steyer
CNN moderators

Steyer would have been higher had he said more. Sanders would have been higher had he been the good Bernie, but he was the tired annoying Bernie. Buttigieg would have been higher had he said anything beyond what looked like his well practiced stump speech.

Today's BBC has a news story about an ominous Jerusalem cross that Steyer makes on his hand every day, supposedly to remind him to be a good Christian and tell the truth. Fine, but they also compared it with its use by neofascists. My guess is that Steyer is out of touch, since the damn fascists have ruined a lot of previously harmless medieval symbols.

The moderation was abysmal. Leading questions that would get thrown out in court. "What in the world makes you think that a socialist extremist could ever command our military?" Same way they do their version of the Nooz, which is why CNN has been off my favorite channel list since two wars ago. You would think that the heavy hitters of a major cable Nooz channel could do better than the political editor of the Des Moines Register. You would think in error.

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people without water or struggling to get water or homeless and or struggling to get health care may also struggle to vote


https://twitter.com/BRepairers/status/1217634488706007042

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About 2,756 people in #Iowa are homeless.

133,200 people are uninsured.

23.9% of census tracts are at-risk for being unable to afford water.


https://ips-dc.org/poor-peoples-campaign-state-fact-sheets/

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Biden stumbles through everything. It's how he talks. Some disorder or other makes him stammer. You get used to it. Personally, I prefer it to the current scrotus and his high whiny voice, his gutter language, and the periodic lapses into total never never land.

I have the debate like this:

Warren
Tie: Biden and Klobuchar
Sanders
Buttigieg
Steyer
CNN moderators

Steyer would have been higher had he said more. Sanders would have been higher had he been the good Bernie, but he was the tired annoying Bernie. Buttigieg would have been higher had he said anything beyond what looked like his well practiced stump speech.

Today's BBC has a news story about an ominous Jerusalem cross that Steyer makes on his hand every day, supposedly to remind him to be a good Christian and tell the truth. Fine, but they also compared it with its use by neofascists. My guess is that Steyer is out of touch, since the damn fascists have ruined a lot of previously harmless medieval symbols.

The moderation was abysmal. Leading questions that would get thrown out in court. "What in the world makes you think that a socialist extremist could ever command our military?" Same way they do their version of the Nooz, which is why CNN has been off my favorite channel list since two wars ago. You would think that the heavy hitters of a major cable Nooz channel could do better than the political editor of the Des Moines Register. You would think in error.

I see as follows:
Warren
Biden (he made the best closing statement)
Buttigieg and Klobuchar tied
Steyer

As for the CNN moderators the only thing they did well was to keep the candidates, for the most part, within their allotted time.

I think because this is the last debate before the Iowa caucuses the candidates behaved themselves and didn't interrupt or talk over each other.

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Biden stumbles through everything. It's how he talks. Some disorder or other makes him stammer.


He says he used to stutter in his youth, that affects his speech patterns even today. However, Marin is not wrong, stuttering doesn't cause that much cognitive confusion so that you say such strange gaffes in your sentences. Part of it I guess is of course age, the other thing is he has NEVER been a great public speaker. He doesn't have the "Obama ability" to deliver powerful speeches that make crowds swoon. Some people are great orators, he has a long career of gaffing and stumbling over his own feet in speeches. Of course, he's running for POTUS, not head cheerleader of America, but he will need to do that bully pulpit thing ...

Personally, I think if you compare some of the incomprehensible word salad that occasionally emanates out of Trump, he should be the last person to attack Joe on his speaking ability.

IMHO, he's also not a demagogue, so he just don't do the Trump thing of saying shit just to rile up crowds, whip them into a frenzy, and appeal to that lizard brain.

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However, Marin is not wrong, stuttering doesn't cause that much cognitive confusion so that you say such strange gaffes in your sentences.


There a number of reasons for having stutter. Mine was caused by malformed pallet. Even after surgery in my Junior Year of High School, I still stutter to this day. There are certain words that I just cannot say. Baiting people with a stutter is very ugly and very damaging.

Mr. Biden is doing his best to deal with his , attacking Mr. Biden because of his stutter is just plain wrong.

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I don't attack Biden on how he talks. I would not do that to a person with a disorder, and like I said, I'm used to it. Not all of our presidents have been sterling orators in this electronic age. goober bush couldn't finish a sentence without reading the Teleprompter. drumpf doesn't orate as much as he attacks, and in that same obnoxious grade school bully voice. Etc..

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He says he used to stutter in his youth, that affects his speech patterns even today. However, Marin is not wrong, stuttering doesn't cause that much cognitive confusion so that you say such strange gaffes in your sentences. Part of it I guess is of course age, the other thing is he has NEVER been a great public speaker. He doesn't have the "Obama ability" to deliver powerful speeches that make crowds swoon. Some people are great orators, he has a long career of gaffing and stumbling over his own feet in speeches. Of course, he's running for POTUS, not head cheerleader of America, but he will need to do that bully pulpit thing ...

Personally, I think if you compare some of the incomprehensible word salad that occasionally emanates out of Trump, he should be the last person to attack Joe on his speaking ability.

IMHO, he's also not a demagogue, so he just don't do the Trump thing of saying shit just to rile up crowds, whip them into a frenzy, and appeal to that lizard brain.


Just an emotional response here.

I sure wish you would quit nauseating to no propose whatsoever all over the guy who appears to be the one who will have to rally the party and make a run for it to hopefully win. Our hopes and dreams are at stake.

What I'm talking about is having situational awareness capping the gusher. The early period of the primary is one thing and the latter part is another.

It's go time, the time for endless analysis of layers upon layers of competing factors is over.


I'm even done with the running of Bernie down at this point.


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I sure wish you would quit nauseating to no propose whatsoever all over the guy who appears to be the one who will have to rally the party and make a run for it to hopefully win. Our hopes and dreams are at stake.


I was defending him, Sam. I noted his disability, the one Zowie mentioned, he has talked about it himself.

They even have his smiling face on the Stuttering Help Institute.
https://www.stutteringhelp.org/content/joe-biden

I just was also acknowledging - the reality - he's never been the best public speaker, a history of gaffes that go back to the 80s (so it can't all be blamed on aging either) ... waving our hands won't make the documentary record go away ... and pointing out that Trump has no basis for criticizing him on speaking ability, given the usual incoherent word salad nonsense he generates ... from mouth or fingers.

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The early period of the primary is one thing and the latter part is another.


When he's the nominee, you just watch, I'm only gonna talk about his best qualities. I have talked about those, before. But no, Sam, we don't do radio silence before the primaries are done.

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I'm even done with the running of Bernie down at this point.


Your preferences are noted. I choose to continue critiquing anybody and everybody, and even Liz. If she's the candidate, she needs to be ready for what Drumpf will throw at her. (*) Human freedom to act as we wish, a wondrous thing.

(*) Since we know it will be the Pochontas crap, I hope she's getting something ready.

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I was defending him, Sam. I noted his disability, the one Zowie mentioned, he has talked about it himself.

They even have his smiling face on the Stuttering Help Institute.
https://www.stutteringhelp.org/content/joe-biden

I just was also acknowledging - the reality - he's never been the best public speaker, a history of gaffes that go back to the 80s (so it can't all be blamed on aging either) ... waving our hands won't make the documentary record go away ... and pointing out that Trump has no basis for criticizing him on speaking ability, given the usual incoherent word salad nonsense he generates ... from mouth or fingers.



When he's the nominee, you just watch, I'm only gonna talk about his best qualities. I have talked about those, before. But no, Sam, we don't do radio silence before the primaries are done.



Your preferences are noted. I choose to continue critiquing anybody and everybody, and even Liz. If she's the candidate, she needs to be ready for what Drumpf will throw at her. (*) Human freedom to act as we wish, a wondrous thing.

(*) Since we know it will be the Pochontas crap, I hope she's getting something ready.


I know you were "defending him," my emotional irritation is that you don't know how to defend him, and in not knowing how your attempt at it works counter to your intent. I spoke of nauseating to no propose.

It's like this, there's no one who's likely to vote who has not been exposed to endless classroom lectures about making pejorative expressions about an others speech impediment, or any other kind of impediments starting with preschool.

By the time someones of voting age they're either on board with it or they're deviant. Go on at length reciting common knowledge for the uninformed when there are no uninformed just creates an opening to debate it. And the inevitable debate about it keeps the discussion about it alive.


Here's how to deal with it. If some sloth drags it out, brings something like that up in my presence, I know they're not going to be persuaded by more of what they've already been ignoring for years. I realize the solution is for them to go away. So the best thing for it is to walk up to them and urinate down their leg and tell them it's raining.

It works every time. They'll go away, they'll go home to get some clean dry pants to wear.

It's that, or ignore them at the time, turn your back, and remember them so you can ignore them some more at a later time.


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If and when we have the Trump-Biden debates, I hope he doesn't just pee on Trump's leg. Because, yes, we both know Trump is that sloth.

Much as I think Trump deserves it, or I want to see it, I don't think it would be good for his candidacy. :D

BTW, I think during the (hypothetical) Trump Warren debates, he will repeatedly call her "Pocohontas"; or the (hypothetical) Trump Mayor Pete debate, he would not OPENLY attack Pete for his homosexuality but make sly digs that keep reminding the audience of it indirectly, and keep making fun of his name. Because he is that sloth.

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The early period of the primary is one thing and the latter part is another.


Arbitrary distinction.

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Says..?

I don’t get these silencing attempts, I really don’t. But I suspect they are a product of fear. I mean, if ignoring it makes it go away, why not just ignore it when people discuss candidates in ways you don’t like?

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Please don’t malign the Sloth. They are a fine creature worthy of respect.


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Biden stumbles through everything. It's how he talks. Some disorder or other makes him stammer. You get used to it. Personally, I prefer it to the current scrotus and his high whiny voice, his gutter language, and the periodic lapses into total never never land.



no that's not what i meant. i'm use to the way he speaks usually but it was different in this debate. he would say the opposite of what he meant and then apologize and then say it correctly. it was like he wasn't focused imo.

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If and when we have the Trump-Biden debates, I hope he doesn't just pee on Trump's leg. Because, yes, we both know Trump is that sloth.

Much as I think Trump deserves it, or I want to see it, I don't think it would be good for his candidacy. :D

BTW, I think during the (hypothetical) Trump Warren debates, he will repeatedly call her "Pocohontas"; or the (hypothetical) Trump Mayor Pete debate, he would not OPENLY attack Pete for his homosexuality but make sly digs that keep reminding the audience of it indirectly, and keep making fun of his name. Because he is that sloth.


Will 45 even consider debating any Democrat. His handlers will be not able to control his....lapses. I would pay real money to see Elizabeth Warren wipe the floor with 45.

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I don't think the "early" part of the primary has started until primaries begin in IA and NH.

We usually hit the "middle" part of the primary by the time Florida gets its primary. :D

We're not in the "late" part of the primary until early June.

I know who the most likely nominee is, I've looked at predictive markets, but a) things change and b) until there is a nominee, voters and active thinkers should compare and contrast brand A with brand B.

It's fairly clear who the nominee will be by April, usually. If you remember, in 2016, Bernie pointlessly hung in till late spring. It was clear by Super Tuesday he was done.

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I don't think the "early" part of the primary has started until primaries begin in IA and NH.

We usually hit the "middle" part of the primary by the time Florida gets its primary. :D

We're not in the "late" part of the primary until early June.

I know who the most likely nominee is, I've looked at predictive markets, but a) things change and b) until there is a nominee, voters and active thinkers should compare and contrast brand A with brand B.

It's fairly clear who the nominee will be by April, usually. If you remember, in 2016, Bernie pointlessly hung in till late spring. It was clear by Super Tuesday he was done.


This is where Bloomberg could do damage. Mixing it up enough to take us to a brokered convention. As long as that is a possibility you could have 7-8 decide to hang in the game.


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