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Glennfs wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:27 pm The other 1236 is an actual number of very close I researched it.
That you take time to research something as unimportant as that says something. Broaden your horizon numbnut. :mrgreen:
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bradman wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:59 pm That you take time to research something as unimportant as that says something. Broaden your horizon numbnut. :mrgreen:
Yeah. Being compared to a North Korean isn’t offensive at all. :mrgreen:
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:33 pm Yeah. Being compared to a North Korean isn’t offensive at all. :mrgreen:
I wouldn't know what ya meant by that Joe. I really don't follow that crap anymore. I suppose i could research it but then i have have better hobbies to pursue. :)
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bradman wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:07 pm I wouldn't know what ya meant by that Joe. I really don't follow that crap anymore. I suppose i could research it but then i have have better hobbies to pursue. :)
Then why comment on it at all?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:37 pm Then why comment on it at all?
i'm human. i have my moments of weakness. Hey, at least it's only a ribbing.

Noun. numbnuts (plural numbnuts or numbnutses) (chiefly US, slang, derogatory, sometimes humorous, often as a term of address) A slow-witted, unresponsive, or inept person (usually male).

Sorry if i missed the mark.
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bradman wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:37 am i'm human. i have my moments of weakness. Hey, at least it's only a ribbing.

Noun. numbnuts (plural numbnuts or numbnutses) (chiefly US, slang, derogatory, sometimes humorous, often as a term of address) A slow-witted, unresponsive, or inept person (usually male).

Sorry if i missed the mark.
We all have such moments. :)
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:07 am Again while true they weren't doing anything every other land lord in the country wasn't doing in that era.
It even goes on today only more stealthily.
Again while that is technically defending Trump but, I don't think it is fair to point them out for doing what was an acceptable business practice during those times.
Especially when there is so much other stink on the family.
And
Yes if Biden were a developer in a republican state he would also be going through selective prosecution.
First, how was it something “everyone else was doing” and the Trump’s weren’t in politics, so it wasn’t political then.

No the stink continues. You think Trump should have a pass on everything.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:39 pm This country was started by rebels. Just saying. The war is over. Been over for 150 years. The union survived. The south survived. All those rebels are dead.
I consider it wrong as well as offensive to compare the Confederate South to the Founding Fathers.

Of course, I also found it wrong and offensive when Ronald Reagan said the Mujahideen (which included Bin Laden) were the “moral equivalent to the Founding Fathers” too.
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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:20 am First, how was it something “everyone else was doing” and the Trump’s weren’t in politics, so it wasn’t political then.

No the stink continues. You think Trump should have a pass on everything.
Had Trump not gotten involved in politics he wouldn't be getting prosecuted.

If it weren't political then the DA would be investigating other firms for the same crime.

If it weren't political then the DA would be investigating the lenders for their role.

It is as if you, I, Joe and 6 rob a bank get caught but only one of us faces charges

It is 100pct politically motivated.
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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:23 am I consider it wrong as well as offensive to compare the Confederate South to the Founding Fathers.

Of course, I also found it wrong and offensive when Ronald Reagan said the Mujahideen (which included Bin Laden) were the “moral equivalent to the Founding Fathers” too.

Why is that? Our founding fathers were traitors to the British Crown. Just as the CSA leaders were traitors to our federal government.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:24 am Had Trump not gotten involved in politics he wouldn't be getting prosecuted.

If it weren't political then the DA would be investigating other firms for the same crime.

If it weren't political then the DA would be investigating the lenders for their role.

It is as if you, I, Joe and 6 rob a bank get caught but only one of us faces charges

It is 100pct politically motivated.
You think Joe Biden can be bought for a few thousand bucks, when he’s not even in office, But Jared getting $2 billion - or is it three? - from a nation is just fine.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:26 am Why is that? Our founding fathers were traitors to the British Crown. Just as the CSA leaders were traitors to our federal government.
They did it to preserve slavery. I don’t consider that a good reason, and I think the Founding Fathers were on a much higher moral level - they were basically ruled by a King from overseas where they had no democratic voice.

But go ahead, tell me how moral and right the Confederacy was. Make your case.
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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:28 am They did it to preserve slavery. I don’t consider that a good reason, and I think the Founding Fathers were on a much higher moral level - they were basically ruled by a King from overseas where they had no democratic voice.

But go ahead, tell me how moral and right the Confederacy was. Make your case.
The Founding Fathers all were slave holders. As for the Confederacy it is almost always wrong to judge people in the past based upon the morality of today.

They were inline with the standards of that era. Even though those standards were changing.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:32 am The Founding Fathers all were slave holders. As for the Confederacy it is almost always wrong to judge people in the past based upon the morality of today.

They were inline with the standards of that era. Even though those standards were changing.
They didn’t fight for slavery. The south did. But keep making your case that the Confederates were the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers.
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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:35 am They didn’t fight for slavery. The south did. But keep making your case that the Confederates were the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers.
Even the abolishnist held views which today would be considered racist.
As for our Founding Fathers had we list the war do you think history books would be teaching them as being brave leaders who fought for freedom.
Or teaching them in the same light that you consider men like General Lee to be.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:59 am Even the abolishnist held views which today would be considered racist.
As for our Founding Fathers had we list the war do you think history books would be teaching them as being brave leaders who fought for freedom.
Or teaching them in the same light that you consider men like General Lee to be.
Yep, I knew you'd try to make the case. I disagree. They fought to keep men slaves. You can celebrate that alone. I won't join you.

I mean, you say you started the thread to make a joke - but it sounds to me like you MEANT to champion the Confederacy.
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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:21 am Yep, I knew you'd try to make the case. I disagree. They fought to keep men slaves. You can celebrate that alone. I won't join you.

I mean, you say you started the thread to make a joke - but it sounds to me like you MEANT to champion the Confederacy.
I thought you were opposed to putting words in people's mouths.

This wss meant to be a fun thread. Like all threads ot took a turn on its own. It is still a gin and interesting discussion. Once again though you can't look at something from a different perspective.

The southern leaders were taught as being very similar to our Founding Fathers even in northern schools. It has only been recently that the left had demi succeeded making them into villains.

My point is had we list the revolutionary war our Founding Fathers would have been taught as being traitors and we all including you would look at them as such.

Keeping in mind that the history books would have been written by the British.

As for the Civil War it probably could have been avoided and the CSA probably would have been successful had they tried for a political solution for establishing a new country.

But, like men generally do they flew off yhr handle and believed violence was the answer. One last thought before I do my 600 jsd McClellan won the election he would have ended the war. Giving the CSA a victory
Odd how history repeats itself
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:29 am I thought you were opposed to putting words in people's mouths.

This wss meant to be a fun thread. Like all threads ot took a turn on its own. It is still a gin and interesting discussion. Once again though you can't look at something from a different perspective.

The southern leaders were taught as being very similar to our Founding Fathers even in northern schools. It has only been recently that the left had demi succeeded making them into villains.

My point is had we list the revolutionary war our Founding Fathers would have been taught as being traitors and we all including you would look at them as such.

Keeping in mind that the history books would have been written by the British.

As for the Civil War it probably could have been avoided and the CSA probably would have been successful had they tried for a political solution for establishing a new country.

But, like men generally do they flew off yhr handle and believed violence was the answer. One last thought before I do my 600 jsd McClellan won the election he would have ended the war. Giving the CSA a victory
Odd how history repeats itself
I won't agree that the Confederacy was the equivalent of our founding fathers. They weren't, and as much as you and Joe want to, no one here is going to lionize them like you do.

And no, I don't know what truly revisionist history YOU have read, but no one could have held the nation together with the south still being slave states.

Again, the reasons that the Founding Fathers had to wish to leave England were good and honorable ones. And the Confederacy wanted to leave our nation was slavery.

Here's the thing: The Republican South thinks the south SHOULD have been allowed to succeed, that they should have been able to continue their "lifestyle" and blame Lincoln and the USA for refusing to let them go.

You didn't mean it to be a fun thread. You just wanted to try to provoke us so you could play the victim when we didn't.
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Lionize. Not really. Not into demonize either. War is over. Has been over. The nation survived and we are one country today. It serves no one to either lionize or demonize folks who have been dead over a hundred years. It is what it is. It was what it was. Good bad and ugly.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:14 pm Lionize. Not really. Not into demonize either. War is over. Has been over. The nation survived and we are one country today. It serves no one to either lionize or demonize folks who have been dead over a hundred years. It is what it is. It was what it was. Good bad and ugly.
Yeah, slavery just wasn't that big a deal was it?
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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:16 pm Yeah, slavery just wasn't that big a deal was it?
Big deal. Yeah it was a big deal. Fought a war 170 years ago over it. Today we have laws against that shit. Decided that issue over 100 years ago. If you want to keep refighting the same war, have at it. Knock yourself out.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:24 pm Big deal. Yeah it was a big deal. Fought a war 170 years ago over it. Today we have laws against that shit. Decided that issue over 100 years ago. If you want to keep refighting the same war, have at it. Knock yourself out.
And you want to pretend that the Confederates are the moral equivalent of the founding fathers, just as Reagan said the Taliban was.

Knock yourself out.
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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:04 pm And you want to pretend that the Confederates are the moral equivalent of the founding fathers, just as Reagan said the Taliban was.

Knock yourself out.
I never said they were the moral equivalent. But you will pretend I did.
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gounion wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:04 pm And you want to pretend that the Confederates are the moral equivalent of the founding fathers, just as Reagan said the Taliban was.

Knock yourself out.
You have absolutely no ability to ever look at anything from outside of your political spectrum.

Even though you never answer any questions I will try again.

Had we lost the war what do you think you would be believing about Washington? We know what we would have been taught.

Fact is the same thing you claim to believe about Lee you would believe about Washington
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:16 pm You have absolutely no ability to ever look at anything from outside of your political spectrum.

Even though you never answer any questions I will try again.

Had we lost the war what do you think you would be believing about Washington? We know what we would have been taught.

Fact is the same thing you claim to believe about Lee you would believe about Washington
I wouldn't believe they would be fighting to enslave human beings. I have a problem with that. Don't you?
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