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Glennfs wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:57 pm If love means never having to say you are sorry then liberal means never having to admit you are wrong.

AIDS funding under Reagan went from 44 million to over 2 Billion if less than 5 years
i'm not GU numbnut.

You're missing the first 4 years dude. It was only after the conservatives realized it wasn't just a "gay plague" that the Reagan adm. took it seriously. Before that this was the conservative mentality (not to mention a few Liberals)....
“AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals.”
Ring a bell? You may not have been born or were very young at the time. He was a swell guy. A little research will give ya his name.
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bradman wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:04 pm i'm not GU numbnut.

You're missing the first 4 years dude. It was only after the conservatives realized it wasn't just a "gay plague" that the Reagan adm. took it seriously. Before that this was the conservative mentality (not to mention a few Liberals)....



Ring a bell? You may not have been born or were very young at the time. He was a swell guy. A little research will give ya his name.

Your belief obviously isn't going to be swayed by the truth. You've seen the numbers. You've seen the truth. But, you choose to believe the lie about the Reagan administration and AIDS Funding.
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The AIDS funding didn't reach the 2 billion threshold until Reagan's final year. Even in 1988 it was less than one billion, and less than half a billion in 1987

Congress appears to have been primarily responsible for the increases, with funding levels more than what was requested by the Reagan administration.
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The problem with this ranking is the lack of objective criteria. From the OP link:

“To do this, we asked respondents to rate each president on a scale of 0-100 for their overall greatness, with 0=failure, 50=average, and 100=great. We then averaged the ratings for each president and ranked them from highest average to lowest.”

IMO, some of the criteria should be how they did on:
The economy
Foreign policy
Domestic policy
Protection/expansion of individual rights
Growth/reduction of national debt

I'm sure there are more categories that can be added and there should be a specific scoring system for each category so all those participating can apply the same standards.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:57 pm Your belief obviously isn't going to be swayed by the truth. You've seen the numbers. You've seen the truth. But, you choose to believe the lie about the Reagan administration and AIDS Funding.
Truth? I've seen random numbers that for all i know you pulled out of your ass. That's not research.
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bradman wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:50 am Truth? I've seen random numbers that for all i know you pulled out of your ass. That's not research.
So if I post the numbers you are going to apologize and admit you are wrong?

I can't find my previous link but here is one with very similar numbers. Check out table 5, while I wait for you to admit you were wrong.

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL30731.html
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:00 am I am guessing you were either not born or maybe just a child when RR was President.
BTW the AIDS deal simply is false I hope to have more time later to show you the numbers.
As for Lebanon would you have preferred he start a war in the Mideast? On that issue no matter what he did the left would criticize.
Maybe we can get a thread going later I an a little busy now.
We have pm’d before. I am a year older than you. My first voting was Carter in 1976, iirc.

The AIDS info is telling in that it did not really make a large jump until after a few years. Your own numbers show that AIDS funding didn’t jump by any significant amount until his second term. The administration which propped him up during both terms didn’t really give a damn about AIDS until they were forced to.

Republicans screamed about cutting and running when their patron Saint did exactly that. It was made worse by putting the marines there in the first place. Your question is meaningless. Yet, Saint Ronnie the Dim-Witted did escalate problems in the Middleeast by supplying weaponry during the Iran-Iraq war. He also armed what would become the Taliban.

He exploded the debt. He signed legislation taxing Social Security benefits.

Those are facts.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:59 am So if I post the numbers you are going to apologize and admit you are wrong?

I can't find my previous link but here is one with very similar numbers. Check out table 5, while I wait for you to admit you were wrong.

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL30731.html
I've researched it. I've seen the numbers already.
“AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals.”
Come up with a name yet?

Here's another one....
"The poor homosexuals. They have declared war on nature, and now nature is exacting an awful retribution." -- A June 23, 1983 column concerning the disease AIDS.
That guy was actually a member of the Reagan administration.
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bradman wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:44 am I've researched it. I've seen the numbers already.



Come up with a name yet?
So you were not being truthful when you Saud my numbers were made up bullshit.
Reagan never said that quote.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:50 am So you were not being truthful when you Saud my numbers were made up bullshit.
Reagan never said that quote.
i never said your numbers were bullshit. You're missing the point.

No Reagan did not say that, you are correct. Who did?

Here's another one for ya to research........
"The poor homosexuals. They have declared war on nature, and now nature is exacting an awful retribution." -- A June 23, 1983 column concerning the disease AIDS.
Another swell guy that was a member of the Reagan administration.
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Funny how Glenn takes credit for Democratic bills that Reagan, while he did sign them, he didn’t ask for them.

As I recall, Reagan didn’t care shit for AIDS until his pal Rock Hudson died.
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bird wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:47 am We have pm’d before. I am a year older than you. My first voting was Carter in 1976, iirc.

The AIDS info is telling in that it did not really make a large jump until after a few years. Your own numbers show that AIDS funding didn’t jump by any significant amount until his second term. The administration which propped him up during both terms didn’t really give a damn about AIDS until they were forced to.

Republicans screamed about cutting and running when their patron Saint did exactly that. It was made worse by putting the marines there in the first place. Your question is meaningless. Yet, Saint Ronnie the Dim-Witted did escalate problems in the Middleeast by supplying weaponry during the Iran-Iraq war. He also armed what would become the Taliban.

He exploded the debt. He signed legislation taxing Social Security benefits.

Those are facts.
And he sure the hell didn't single handedly win the Cold War. You need rose colored glasses and a good deal of blind hero worship to believe he did.
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gounion wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:09 am Funny how Glenn takes credit for Democratic bills that Reagan, while he did sign them, he didn’t ask for them.

As I recall, Reagan didn’t care shit for AIDS until his pal Rock Hudson died.
That and rumor has it Nancy took up the cause earlier than anyone else in the Reagan administration. Considering that she was running the show the last few years would better explain the later funding. :)
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Nobody won the Cold War. Both sides made disastrous mistakes. Russia dropped out first, due to its weaker economic fundamentals and essentially personality based political system, despite all its propaganda to the contrary. At some point propaganda has to be backed up with real governance beyond just rounding up everyone who speaks out, and exiling them to the Virgin Lands.

The imbalances in the US system were less serious and took longer to manifest themselves. We started seeing the result here right before the turn of the century. The tech boom has been the whole narrative pretty much ever since. Now it's AI. How's that going to help the lower economic classes live in dignity? Answer is that it's not. You'll need a degree in information science just to land an entry level job doing anything besides manual labor, and they'll have robots doing a lot of that. A rising tide sinks leaky boats.
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bradman wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:13 am That and rumor has it Nancy took up the cause earlier than anyone else in the Reagan administration. Considering that she was running the show the last few years would better explain the later funding. :)
You people simply ignore the facts. Proving numbers don't lie but liberals sure do.
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bradman wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:02 am i never said your numbers were bullshit. You're missing the point.

No Reagan did not say that, you are correct. Who did?

Here's another one for ya to research........



Another swell guy that was a member of the Reagan administration.
You said my numbers were bullshit. When in fact my numbers proved that you were incorrect and those who have been feeding you the incorrect things you believe are just another group of liberal liars.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:06 pm You said my numbers were bullshit. When in fact my numbers proved that you were incorrect and those who have been feeding you the incorrect things you believe are just another group of liberal liars.
Cool. With a little research you should be able to come up with a link that proves i said your numbers were bullshit.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:12 pm Nobody won the Cold War. Both sides made disastrous mistakes. Russia dropped out first, due to its weaker economic fundamentals and essentially personality based political system, despite all its propaganda to the contrary. At some point propaganda has to be backed up with real governance beyond just rounding up everyone who speaks out, and exiling them to the Virgin Lands.

The imbalances in the US system were less serious and took longer to manifest themselves. We started seeing the result here right before the turn of the century. The tech boom has been the whole narrative pretty much ever since. Now it's AI. How's that going to help the lower economic classes live in dignity? Answer is that it's not. You'll need a degree in information science just to land an entry level job doing anything besides manual labor, and they'll have robots doing a lot of that. A rising tide sinks leaky boats.
We should focus on fixing the leaky boats. Technology isn’t going to sit still for anyone.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:12 pm Nobody won the Cold War. Both sides made disastrous mistakes. Russia dropped out first, due to its weaker economic fundamentals and essentially personality based political system, despite all its propaganda to the contrary. At some point propaganda has to be backed up with real governance beyond just rounding up everyone who speaks out, and exiling them to the Virgin Lands.

The imbalances in the US system were less serious and took longer to manifest themselves. We started seeing the result here right before the turn of the century. The tech boom has been the whole narrative pretty much ever since. Now it's AI. How's that going to help the lower economic classes live in dignity? Answer is that it's not. You'll need a degree in information science just to land an entry level job doing anything besides manual labor, and they'll have robots doing a lot of that. A rising tide sinks leaky boats.
We won the cold war but lost the peace. Our mistake was not understanding the faults of capitalism which were not spoken of during the cold war.

Armand Hammer may have been a scoundrel but he had the right idea while dealing with Russia. Let the systems compete without war and let the best system win. That's where communism ran into a problem. Even after stealing and trying to replicate Hammer's products being manufactured inside of Russia the Russians were faced with a reality. The U.S.S.R. products were inferior to Hammers products. (if i remember right it came down to a battle of the pencils) It was also a clue the communist system had some serious faults. Short of admitting that they kicked everybody out and withdrew solidly behind the iron curtain. From there we settled into a geopolitical battle that for decades was fought by the West with the use of the U.N., N.A.T.O., and all our allies. That's what won the cold war. Decades of constant pressure on the communist system. It may not have been what Hammer envisioned but in one way it worked. By the time Reagan rolled into town the ussr was rotten to the core and close to dying. In short, Russia was already standing on the edge of the cliff and ready to tip over into the abyss. The only credit i'd give Reagan is that he give 'em a little shove and may have shortened the cold war by a few years. The rest of the St. Ronnie myths are bullshit and i for one would rather not have gone through unnecessary pnac saber rattling.

Given all that, the conservatives should be ashamed and repent their ways when it comes to Putin. Don't they know St. Ronnie's just a spinnin' in his grave.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:35 am We should focus on fixing the leaky boats. Technology isn’t going to sit still for anyone.
[bold] Careful, that costs money. :)
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bradman wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:57 am [bold] Careful, that costs money. :)
I don’t mind investing money for results. Do you? I just don’t care to throw money at a problem with no accountability and no expectation of results. All too often we equate spending money to solving the problem. Often times it’s wasted without a plan.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:03 am I don’t mind investing money for results. Do you? I just don’t care to throw money at a problem with no accountability and no expectation of results. All too often we equate spending money to solving the problem. Often times it’s wasted without a plan.
Well then I'm sure that you've invested plenty into DJT on NASDAQ, right?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:03 am I don’t mind investing money for results. Do you? I just don’t care to throw money at a problem with no accountability and no expectation of results. All too often we equate spending money to solving the problem. Often times it’s wasted without a plan.
Depends. Is it yet another patch slapped on the boat? Cuz after a while you're tripping over dollars trying to save dimes. It gets to the point you're better off springing for a new boat.
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bradman wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:39 pm Depends. Is it yet another patch slapped on the boat? Cuz after a while you're tripping over dollars trying to save dimes. It gets to the point you're better off springing for a new boat.
I don’t have a problem with a new boat either. But as I said, a case needs to be made and expectations and accountability for results need to be part of the conversation. When is the last time government shit canned an idea that didn’t work? Once these programs are implemented, they tend to have a life all their own. Matters not if they accomplish their objective. You can’t cut them because somebody might be impacted and god knows we can’t have that. It doesn’t matter if you have a dollar waiting on a dime. You can’t cut it and often you can’t streamline it because that might be viewed as a cut. Whaat?!! Do the same work for less money??? That’s not possible. You’re cutting benefits.

We need to look at these programs much more realistically and challenge them to do more with less. It works all the time in business.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:51 pm I don’t have a problem with a new boat either. But as I said, a case needs to be made and expectations and accountability for results need to be part of the conversation. When is the last time government shit canned an idea that didn’t work? Once these programs are implemented, they tend to have a life all their own. Matters not if they accomplish their objective. You can’t cut them because somebody might be impacted and god knows we can’t have that. It doesn’t matter if you have a dollar waiting on a dime. You can’t cut it and often you can’t streamline it because that might be viewed as a cut. Whaat?!! Do the same work for less money??? That’s not possible. You’re cutting benefits.

We need to look at these programs much more realistically and challenge them to do more with less. It works all the time in business.
Or it doesn’t work. Business is just as fucked up as government.
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