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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:33 am 
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As reported on Rachel Maddow last night, McTurtle lacks the necessary votes to outright dismiss the Impeachment of 45.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/478 ... mpeachment.

All it takes is 50+1 Votes to dismiss the charges and 45's butt boy McConnell ain't got them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:57 am 
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It would appear that NOT only does the turtle NOT enough votes to dismiss the Impeachment of 45, but there appears to be enough Republicans who will vote with Democrats on a motion to allow witness testimony.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/13 ... esses.html.

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impeachment adjacent question ~ why isn't there more outrage at trump for the plane that iran bombed?

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It would appear that NOT only does the turtle NOT enough votes to dismiss the Impeachment of 45, but there appears to be enough Republicans who will vote with Democrats on a motion to allow witness testimony.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/13 ... esses.html.

There are four republican Senators (Paul, Collins, Romney, and Murkowski) who could vote with the Democrats.

Rand Paul is a bit of a loose cannon and likes to go his own way just to focus attention on himself.

Susan Collins is underwater underwater in Maine and she's appearing wishy-washy with her back and forth answers on whether she'll vote to allow witnesses. She's more worried about her reelection so to appease Maine voters she'll vote to allow witnesses.

Mitt Romney doesn't like Trump and isn't beholding to McConnell so he'll vote with the Democrats.

Lisa Murkowski bucked the republican establishment when they backed the Tea Party candidate as their nominee in 2010 so she ran and won as a write-in candidate. She's willing to buck the republican leadership to just to poke them in the eye.

Since the republicans control the Senate and know there is no way they'll convict Trump what this really comes down to is the general election. Those Senators in close races will have to explain their votes before, during, and after the impeachment trial in order to get reelected and their Democratic challengers will be hammering them on this for the next nine months.

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The House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday released a collection of new evidence obtained from Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, that looks into how Giuliani communicated with the president of Ukraine on behalf of President Donald Trump.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/house-in ... e44b8f362e

"Get Zalensky To Announce That The Biden will be investigated."

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impeachment adjacent question ~ why isn't there more outrage at trump for the plane that iran bombed?

Because shooting down the plane was Iran's fault - not Trump's.


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lucytalk wrote:
impeachment adjacent question ~ why isn't there more outrage at trump for the plane that iran bombed?


there was also the 56 people that got trampled as a result of the vigil of the guy trump ordered to be murdered

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Pelosi names Schiff, Nadler as prosecutors for Trump trial

WASHINGTON (AP) — Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Wednesday that two House chairmen who led President Donald Trump's impeachment inquiry will be among the House prosecutors for Trump's Senate trial.

They are Democrats Rep. Adam Schiff, chair of the Intelligence Committee, and Rep. Jerry Nadler, chair of the Judiciary Committee.

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Because shooting down the plane was Iran's fault - not Trump's.


and why was iran bombing. until trump can provide the intel on the imminent threat, those actions were a direct outcome of what appears to be a rogue president.

he needs to justify his actions that definitely made the world unsafer. look if he had good reason then okay but no reason isn't good enough.

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There are immediate causes and underlying causes.

The situation never would have come even close to air defenses shooting down an airliner had drumpf not pulled us out of the nuke deal for no other reason than he couldn't stand that Obama did it.

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There are immediate causes and underlying causes.

The situation never would have come even close to air defenses shooting down an airliner had drumpf not pulled us out of the nuke deal for no other reason than he couldn't stand that Obama did it.

That's the reason I asked earlier if Trump bears some responsibly/accountability for the shooting down of the airplane by Iran.

BTW, the answer is yes.

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lots of parnas tweet stuff here. all these guys thot what they were doing was just great.

https://twitter.com/JoshKovensky/status ... 4347559937
Josh KovenskyVerified account @JoshKovensky
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Lutsenko to Parnas on March 8: “these are not questions for a sitting president. In the heat of the campaign he (Poroshenko) cannot answer such questions about the ambassador, Biden, etc”

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The General Accounting Office (G.A.O.) has issued a report on the withholding Military Aid to Ukraine, and no surprise their conclusion is that The White House Violated The Law By Withholding Aid.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-gao-t ... 11760f626f.

Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,” the report reads in part. “OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA.”

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Parnas sang like the proverbial canary in his Maddow interview. It has everyone talking. The best parts were when he described the scene at the trump hotel in DC. Apparently it's keeping the bar in business. Bunch of drunk guys hanging out and running the country. The specific accusations by name (Pence, Barr, etc) will have to be verified elsewhere.

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Part II of the Parnas interview is tonight.....

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On the way to Pearl for an event, rump had to ask Genl Kelly what it was all about, why were they going there...he did NOT know about Dec 7, Pearl, etc

They tried to educate him with pictures on this and other subjects, in return he screamed at a room full of them that they were dumb babies.

This is who you cons love...

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Part II of the Parnas interview is tonight.....


My body language read on Parnas is he's like a classic jail house informant, he might not even be able to distinguish what is the truth from fiction, much less be able to talk for two minuets without telling it and not a lie.

I worry he will tell a tall tail, telling what he thinks is juicy enough to get him out of going to jail. If he's called as a witness he might unravel the case Democrats are trying to make by saying what he thinks Democrats want to hear.

I'm not going to pass on to friends and family anything I hear or read about what he's said, because I think he is lying and will lie more. I consider him to be a null, someone who isn't real.


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My body language read on Parnas is he's like a classic jail house informant, he might not even be able to distinguish what is the truth from fiction, much less be able to talk for two minuets without telling it and not a lie.

I worry he will tell a tall tail, telling what he thinks is juicy enough to get him out of going to jail. If he's called as a witness he might unravel the case Democrats are trying to make by saying what he thinks Democrats want to hear.

I'm not going to pass on to friends and family anything I hear or read about what he's said, because I think he is lying and will lie more. I consider him to be a null, someone who isn't real.


Precisely. Another Avenatti.


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Dr. Rachel Maddow's Interview(s) with Liv Parnas are part of the official Impeachment Record. It was reported on Chris Hayes tonight.

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Precisely. Another Avenatti.


Good connecting, I almost mentioned him.

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Dems plan marathon prep for Senate trial, wary of Trump trying to 'game' the process

The House Democrats prosecuting the impeachment of President Trump are planning a marathon preparation session ahead of next week's Senate trial, using the long holiday weekend to polish their case that the president abused his power in his dealings with Ukraine.

The seven impeachment managers tapped to make the Democrats' case before the Senate will return to Washington on Sunday to dig through the extensive record built over the course of the months-long investigation that led to Trump's impeachment last month, according to aides working on impeachment.

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Because shooting down the plane was Iran's fault - not Trump's.


Oh come on ted. A Ukrainian jetliner was shot down because the Iranians made a mistake. They thought it was a US jetliner. That the Iranians wanted to shoot down a US jetliner is Trump's fault.

This is just a wild guess on my part, but I think about 95% of the bad shit happening in this country right now is Trump's fault or his party's fault...what's the difference anymore. And about half of the bad shit worldwide.

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So I tend to be of the view that people may or may not be trustworthy, but documents are. Unless they're forged or inauthentic of course. But otherwise.

Really doesn't matter what Parnas says. Could matter what documents show and corroborate.

Docs Show Parnas Helping Nunes Aide Set Up Interviews With Ex-Ukrainian Officials
https://www.thedailybeast.com/docs-show ... -officials

New documents turned over to the House Judiciary Committee on Friday night include messages between Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas and Derek Harvey, an aide to Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA). The Daily Beast was first to report that Parnas helped arrange meetings and calls in Europe for Harvey in 2018 to help the lawmaker's investigative work, and it appears the practice continued into 2019.

The exchanges between Parnas and Harvey, which span several months in early 2019, show the two arranging several meetings and phone calls to discuss two claims that have been central to Trumpworld’s dirt-digging mission in Ukraine and the president’s subsequent impeachment: supposed corruption by former Vice President Joe Biden and a plot against Trump by Ukrainian officials during the 2016 election.

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Harvey also mentioned Parnas “working through (John) Solomon,” a former columnist at The Hill who had been in contact with Nunes, Giuliani, and Parnas. The Daily Beast reported that Solomon sent a version of his article last year to Parnas and Trumpworld lawyers Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing before it was published on the The Hill's website.

A lawyer for Parnas, Ed MacMahon, told The Daily Beast previously that his client aided Nunes in arranging meetings and calls in Europe in 2018. Congressional records show Nunes, Harvey, and two of Nunes' other aides went to Europe in late 2018 for four days, using over $63,000 of government funds for the trip.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:29 am 
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So I tend to be of the view that people may or may not be trustworthy, but documents are. Unless they're forged or inauthentic of course. But otherwise.


If my career taught me anything, it's that everybody lies. So to one degree or another depending on the individual, nobody is completely trustworthy. We are all on the continuum. And that includes the people who create the documents you seem to trust so much. Facts are rare, opinions are many, as are deceptions.

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Well jessup, unlike 45 who has blocked every attempt to allow witnesses to testify and not to mention any communications regarding the events around 45's illegal attempt block aid to Ukraine (G.A.O. says 45 broke the law), Mr. Parnas has turned over a trove of documents, including emails.

45 is so busy covering his ass, which if he as innocent as he claims why is he preventing staff from giving testimony in the first damn place. Lev Parnas is more than willing to testify. Lev Parnas has first hand knowledge of several meetings with 45 and Ghouliani.

His interviews with Rachel Maddow are part of the official record of the Impeachment as the Senate Trial starts.

45 has lied and lied and lied.

At some point defending an individual who has told over 15,000 becomes self defeating.

It also shows how desperate the GroppenFuhrer's followers are. They do not care if they are being lied,they want to be lied because all they have left are the lies they are being told day....after day....after day.....after day.

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