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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:13 pm 
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NBC is reporting Kamala Harris will drop out of the Democratic presidential race this afternoon.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:27 pm 
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From Huffington Post.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-h ... 3e6f8684bd

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Poor Sam. :D

I think she might make someone else a quite excellent Attorney General, though.

Too soon for the VP speculation. Who the nominee is, will influence consideration of her as a VP choice.

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Poor Sam. :D

I think she might make someone else a quite excellent Attorney General, though.

Too soon for the VP speculation. Who the nominee is, will influence consideration of her as a VP choice.

I was never a fan of Sen Harris. I feel bad for Sam though. He felt strongly about her as a candidate.


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I liked Harris. She was high on my acceptable nominee list, if not my first choice out of the gang of 20plus.

There were many cheap shots against her by people like Gabbard and other pseudo-progressives. Despite what they claimed, she was a strong advocate of criminal justice reform. I believe she will be still if part of some other person's administration.

Most ridiculous were people like Don Jr. decrying her "authenticity of blackness" - as if the most clueless white man alive was really able to be the arbiter of such things.

It seems she had organizational issues and problems. Didn't build up the ground game she needed in the early states, didn't put together the right fundraising apparatus, had a lot of infighting among her staff.

Whether it's 2024 or some other year, I'd still keep on eye on her, her political career's far from done. Hopefully this was a learning experience, she might do better in a different year.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:45 pm 
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Her spark did not last. Personally I would rather see her as A.G.

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I wonder what part of Kamala's tenure as AG cons didnt like?

They say they are not "fans" of her, I wonder why?

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she would've been a great president....

talking her up as AG or VP is a consolation prize....

and her supporters are already being inundated and insulted by bernie bros and hoes and Tulsaads....the main one's screaming about her 'being a cop'.....

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she would've been a great president....

talking her up as AG or VP is a consolation prize....

and her supporters are already being inundated and insulted by bernie bros and hoes and Tulsaads....the main one's screaming about her 'being a cop'.....


Yeah I saw some of that. I was like, well blame me if you wanna for her run because I voted for her in every election she ran in. :problem: :|

This title plus the accompanying pic is gold. :lol:

How Are All These Random Men Still Running? - The Cut

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That Kamala Harris — a solid if troubled candidate, a current U.S. senator with serious name recognition — decided to cut her losses and get out of the race, what makes this ragtag band think they are doing anybody any good wasting their money and clogging our feeds with merch?


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This is also worth revisiting: viewtopic.php?p=428315#p428315

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As glen scours google to come up with a viable example of Kamala Harris' supposedly leftist extremist "beliefs," here's what actual liberal and leftists have had to say about her recently.

The Two Faces of Kamala Harris: Kamala Harris has matched every one of her progressive achievements with conservative ones - Jacobin

Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick - The Week

Progressives begin 2020 dissection of Kamala Harris - McClatchy

Not Good Enough, Kamala Harris - (on immigration) Splinter/Univision

Don’t Coddle Liberal Politicians Like Kamala Harris—History Shows They Should Be Pressured: While some media commentators want to shield Democrats from criticism, holding politicians’ feet to the fire is a longtime successful tradition on the U.S. Left - In These Times

Kamala Harris' enviro record under scrutiny as she mulls run - Energy & Environmental News

Kamala Harris Fails to Explain Why She Didn’t Prosecute Steven Mnuchin’s Bank - Intercept

Some extremist leftist beliefs she's turning out to have


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Yeah I saw some of that. I was like, well blame me if you wanna for her run because I voted for her in every election she ran in. :problem: :|

This title plus the accompanying pic is gold. :lol:

How Are All These Random Men Still Running? - The Cut

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Sounds like a conspiracy to me. 8-)

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‘Kamala is a cop’ was a racist narrative that killed Harris’s campaign dead. And whatever you think about her, it’s deeply unfair - Independent

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From the start, many had fair questions about Harris’s policies, the platform she’d be running on, and her prosecutorial record (specifically in relation to people of colour) as former district attorney in San Francisco and attorney general of California. Those were all very important questions – but nothing that would ordinarily be insurmountable for a candidate with her experience and pedigree.

When her campaign began, many political pundits referred to her as “Trump’s nightmare”; some even went as far as to call her the “next Obama”, or to compare her to Shirley Chisholm. She was a woman of colour with moderate policies and all the makings of someone who could have broad appeal.

With acclaim and surging support would also come strategic moves by her opposition to throw her campaign into disarray. Such things are typical in politics; however, the specific narratives used against Harris were anything but typical. Enter, “Kamala is a cop”.

In an era where social justice and movements such as Black Lives Matter enjoy much-needed visibility, Harris’s opposition saw an opportunity to pounce. They criticised her record, her language and her connections with the establishment by spreading exaggerated and often false information about who she was and what she stood for. At one point, it even appeared that social media bots were maliciously spreading tweets claiming she wasn’t “black enough” and questioning her ethnicity.


Harris’s campaign struggled to find a strategic counter-move for that narrative – which gained further traction when congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard attacked her over her prosecutorial record publicly at the Democratic debate in July.

During that time, Harris’s polling numbers dropped steeply. At one point she was polling at 19 per cent while frontrunners Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden were polling at 12 per cent, 15 per cent, and 11 per cent. In fact, current Iowa caucus polling leader mayor Pete Buttigieg was polling a mere 3 per cent in the same summer poll.

Many theorised that that drop-off in numbers was due to a “confusing” message being put out by Team Kamala. She had been criticised by progressives for not supporting Bernie Sanders’ Medicare-for-all bill, and she had been condemned by moderates for not committing herself fully to being a “tough on crime” Democrat. People seemed confused about where she stood.

From the outside looking in, one could say both her and her campaign were flawed. Those people would be right. But you should also ask yourself: what candidate and campaign isn’t flawed?


"Flawed candidate!" is also berniebro sloganeering.

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Spreading exaggerated and misleading information about their competition is what politicians do, what they have always done. And after the campaigning and the voting is over, they're all having lunch with each other. But for some reason this is an opportunity to make Kamala Harris into a victim of some sort of conspiracy. Reckon why anybody would want to do that? :problem:

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Spreading exaggerated and misleading information about their competition is what politicians do, what they have always done. And after the campaigning and the voting is over, they're all having lunch with each other. But for some reason this is an opportunity to make Kamala Harris into a victim of some sort of conspiracy. Reckon why anybody would want to do that? :problem:


I get that it's very appealing for misogynist men to think of women as victims of whatever.

You do it around here, often.

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she would've been a great president....

talking her up as AG or VP is a consolation prize....

and her supporters are already being inundated and insulted by bernie bros and hoes and Tulsaads....the main one's screaming about her 'being a cop'.....


Senator Harris was a very effective D.A. for CCSF. As California A.G. she stood up the banks and insurance companies after Mortgage Backed Securities Debacle. She is one who put Sessions in his place on more that one occasion. Berine Bro's are mostly Russian Bot and Tulsai is Libertarian who paraded as Dem and was going to lose re-election anyway.

Gabbard is blow hard who struts and makes loud noises.

Ms. Harris is the real deal. But she jumped in at the wrong time.

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Senator Harris was a very effective D.A. for CCSF. As California A.G. she stood up the banks and insurance companies after Mortgage Backed Securities Debacle. She is one who put Sessions in his place on more that one occasion. Berine Bro's are mostly Russian Bot and Tulsai is Libertarian who paraded as Dem and was going to lose re-election anyway.

Gabbard is blow hard who struts and makes loud noises.

Ms. Harris is the real deal. But she jumped in at the wrong time.


KH got a boost after the last debates, which I missed seeing but read about.

Throwing in the towel now is probably strategic for her. The next thing now is something else your post alludes to and what HV brought up..where the KHive is going to go, now.

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I get that it's very appealing for misogynist men to think of women as victims of whatever.

You do it around here, often.


And you sling personal insults at white men who refuse to go goosestepping down the SJW highway with you. You do it around here often.

www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com


Or in politics. It's politics and it's like Dr. Thompson used to say, "You buy the ticket, you take the ride."

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Unoriginal copying.

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I think a lot of this divide is generational? Dunno, but I think that divide really shows in this op-ed piece.

Many Americans are ready for a black woman president. Just not Kamala Harris - Guardian

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She is right and wrong about both sentiments. While she is not a billionaire, neither are the leading Democratic candidates, none of whom are funding their own campaigns. She sits comfortably at a combined $6m net worth with her partner, compared to Bernie Sanders ($2m), Joe Biden ($9m), and Elizabeth Warren ($12m).

And yes it is true that some, perhaps many, Americans do not want a woman to be president, especially a biracial one. Yet an additional truth lies in Harris’ omission: many people are ready and excited for a woman of color to be president of the United States. Just not Kamala Harris.

Rejecting her as a presidential candidate does not, and should not ever, permit how she has been treated for being a woman, black, Indian, biracial, and even having a white husband. Nor should we condone the fact that women of color candidates generally struggle to raise money because of political and social exclusion, including the financial strength of their networks.

But progressive people of color rejected the idea that Harris could secure their hearts and votes solely because she is a woman of color. Running for office while at the intersection of many identities is not salvific. The activist generation that “voted for President Obama twice and still got tear gassed” during protests for black freedom felt viscerally the failures of identity politics in the streets, courts, and classrooms.


Hmm, I detect a straw red herring man, and common misuses of both "intersectionality" and so-called identity politics.

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No amount of “Black girl magic,” “Rooting for everybody black,” or “Trust Black women” hashtags could convince left leaning voters that Senator Harris could relate to the masses of women of color suffering in this country. Quite contrarily, Harris is criticized for expanding their suffering during her time as a prosecutor and a state attorney general.


Left-leaning GenZ voters, anyway. Those are their references. Reminds me why I haven't been a "progressive" for almost literally decades.

More in link.

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Unoriginal copying.


Original whining.

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Quite contrarily, Harris is criticized for expanding their suffering during her time as a prosecutor and a state attorney general.



Yeah, people were saying it long before Gabbard threw that at her on the debate stage - that's where Tulsi got it from, I'm sure.

The problem with that narrative is like so many it's partially true. This claim that she was always a tough-ass prosecutor who wanted everybody locked up (poor minority women or otherwise) and with the key buried under the ground ... again, ignores a long-standing (and not just recent) support for alternative sentencing of juveniles, criminal justice reform, and other things in her record.

The bottom line is, she was a strong advocate in the present for decriminalization of cannabis, criminal justice reform, and many of these other issues - but even the way people presented her past stances on many of these issues were incorrect.

I didn't have to be "in the KHive" - truth matters always - for this to bother me ... as did these ridiculous attempts, often from the most idiotic people, to claim she was "not authentically Black" (people said that same crap also about Obama). :roll: :roll:

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Yeah, people were saying it long before Gabbard threw that at her on the debate stage - that's where Tulsi got it from, I'm sure.

The problem with that narrative is like so many it's partially true. This claim that she was always a tough-ass prosecutor who wanted everybody locked up (poor minority women or otherwise) and with the key buried under the ground ... again, ignores a long-standing (and not just recent) support for alternative sentencing of juveniles, criminal justice reform, and other things in her record.

The bottom line is, she was a strong advocate in the present for decriminalization of cannabis, criminal justice reform, and many of these other issues - but even the way people presented her past stances on many of these issues were incorrect.

I didn't have to be "in the KHive" - truth matters always - for this to bother me ... as did these ridiculous attempts, often from the most idiotic people, to claim she was "not authentically Black" (people said that same crap also about Obama). :roll: :roll:


Yeah most of that was Twitter-driven, by the A D O S Tanton propagandists long before Jr. and his troll army picked up on it.

Lol AKA from Howard...how you gonna get Blacker than that??

She didn't have that problem in the city, not that I could tell, anyway. I think I told you I met her, once, even got a picture. She is surprisingly short!

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