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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 am No I was not calling CJ a racist I was agreeing with her post.

As for believing her to beca racist yes I do. Because I hold all to the same standard. As for calling you a racist yes I have bur, that was in error. You just have a really bad case of liberal white guilt.
I have no guilt whatsoever. I just don't have a case of conservative white superiority. For instance, I don't believe that Affirmative Action is discrimination against white people.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 am Because I hold all to the same standard.
However, what standard you are holding all to appears to be unclear.

Explain to me why you think she is a racist. Against what races? White people? Asian people? Native people? Lapplanders?

I think you're making claim #1. Support it.

I will repeat: I have never seen her say "all whites are .... X" ever ... she has never made a categorical statement about "the white race' or "white people"... white conservatives are members of the white race who hold an ideology, but are not all members of that race. Ideology is not a phenotypic trait, like skin color, it's a belief system.

And again to be clear, maybe you feel she is overgeneralizing about an ideology, debate that if you wish, but that doesn't make her "racist". "Beliefist" maybe. :D
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Glenn does NOT hold all to the same standard.

Let's be clear: Black students are not admitted to top colleges at the same rate as white students. So, either there's a problem in the system so that they are discriminated against, or blacks are intellectually inferior to whites.

So which is it, Glenn? You want to do away with Affirmative Action because you say it discriminates against whites.

I think Glenn enjoys his white privilege, and thinks if everyone gets treated equally, than he'll lose his superior position in society, and he doesn't want that. It doesn't bother him that blacks are discriminated against.

And he now lobs the same type of insult to me that FDR got. When FDR saw the effects of the Great Depression, and wanted the government to help everyone who lost their homes and jobs, the GOP said he was a "traitor to his class". Since he was rich, they reasoned, he shouldn't help anyone BUT the rich.

That's what Glenn is saying when he says I have "white liberal guilt". He doesn't think it should bother me when blacks are murdered by cops - after all, it's not US that's getting that kind of treatment. And it's true, cops have ALWAYS treated me with great respect, even when I was a teen.

But unlike Glenn, I don't see blacks, or asians, or Jews, or even Muslims as "other". I see them as HUMAN BEINGS - and all human beings should be treated with dignity and respect, and it pisses me off when they aren't.

That's NOT guilt, it's basic human decency.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 am No I was not calling CJ a racist I was agreeing with her post.

As for believing her to beca racist yes I do. Because I hold all to the same standard.
Lol you genuinely believe WN paranoiac propaganda, such as the general public is accepting of racism against whites, which puts you in agreement with Christian Walker in the OP.
As for calling you a racist yes I have bur, that was in error. You just have a really bad case of liberal white guilt.
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gounion wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:46 am I have no guilt whatsoever. I just don't have a case of conservative white superiority. For instance, I don't believe that Affirmative Action is discrimination against white people.
Yes but racism against white people is now accepted by the general public, tho!
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 am No I was not calling CJ a racist I was agreeing with her post.

As for believing her to beca racist yes I do.
And you’re agreeing with a racist’s post?

K.

The post says you need not be white to be a white supremacist, and shows a Black man claims that you can’t say anything in the workplace about blacks but you can say anything about whites. And then he proceeds to come up blank when asked for an example. :?

White-conservative logic.
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White supremacy group posts stickers on parking meters, utility poles in Massachusetts town

MAYNARD, Mass. — Maynard police are working to identify the people responsible for posting stickers in the Massachusetts town that featured messaging from a known white supremacist organization.

Town officials announced Saturday that earlier this week, a resident informed police that the white supremacy group — which is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center — posted stickers on parking meters and utility poles in Maynard.

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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 am a really bad case of liberal white guilt.
Any time a white conservative accuses other white people of so-called liberal white guilt, you guys are perpetuating White Citizen's Council ideology.

I've been over this before with you, in that inane thread about stereotypes you started. You claim, without any references, that Walter Williams was the person who coined the term "poverty pimps." It fits in this thread. Walter Williams is another one of these nonwhite white supremacists that white conservatives prop up because it suits you. viewtopic.php?p=6818#p6818
This isn't even true. For starters, Walter Williams is a long-time neo-Confederate apologist and propagandist. "Povery pimps" appears in White Citizens Council publications as early as 1978.

You should read the whole thing, to see how congruent yours and that tapdancer Walter Williams' 2021 ideology matches up with "white guilt"-baiting White Citizens Councils of 40 years ago.

https://egrove.olemiss.edu/cgi/viewcont ... izens_news
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This is from 1978. It's plain as day that you agree with every word of it 40+ years later because you smear GoU with this race-traitor rhetoric on at least a weekly basis.
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gounion wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:59 amThat's what Glenn is saying when he says I have "white liberal guilt".
The whole idea behind both their "white liberal guilt" and the claim that "blacks" have a victimhood complex is that they do not believe the types of discriminations they set up for American society victimizes others. They think of victimizing all others über Alles as their natural right. They think enslaving others and subjecting others to genocide is their natural right. Banning books that expose their deeds is their natural right. They believe raping 15 year olds is their natural right.

Take away these supposed rights, now who's the victims, boo hoo.

The first two paragraphs in the 1978 editoral from The Citizen above really crystallize Glennfs's WS paranoia when he labels you as having so-called white liberal guilt.
Probably never before in the history of mankind have the people of a great nation suffered in self-flagellation to the extent that white Americans are now "punishing" themselves to satisfy a black minority.

So completely have many white citizens yoked themselves with a "guilt complex" because of alleged, and, in many cases, unauthenticated abuses of blacks when slavery was "the law of the land" more than 100 years ago that they now submit meekly to outrageous demands for retribution from young blacks who never have really know what it means to endure privation.
The "young blacks" they're talking about were born into their violent systems of vicious, government-forced inequality.

They didn't then -- and people like Glennfs now -- do not consider their segregation policies to be abuses, either. For them, abusing others is their natural right.

Negroes protesting these conditions oppresses them, and that's communismsocialism. Dismantling their oppressive laws and policies is outrageously unfair and is communismsocialism. Liberal whites are oppressing them by aligning with "blacks," boo hoo, communismsocialism.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 am No I was not calling CJ a racist I was agreeing with her post.
Sure, you were.

How much in this post do you agree with.

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Anything to not be Black, I guess... :problem:

Candace Owens Tells Fans to Take Quack Cure That Turns Skin Blue - Daily Beast

The horseshoe continues to close. Back in the 9/11 trooth era, there were tons of so-called liberals, progressives, leftists, etc., hopping abord the colloidal silver cure cult bandwagon.
Colloidal silver has been embraced by fringe libertarians. Now Owens is silver’s newest fan.

Right-wing personality Candace Owens is urging her fans to consume a quack medical cure known for turning users’ skin blue.

In an Instagram video posted on Thursday, Owens praised the use of colloidal silver as a daily supplement, a treatment that comes with no valid medical use and plenty of health risks.

“Yes, colloidal silver!” Owens said in the video. “I take colloidal silver every single day, I love colloidal silver. That is a great one. That is another one that people probably know nothing about.”

While Owens and others have praised preventative use of colloidal silver as a way to stave off illness, colloidal silver has no valid medical purpose and plenty of potential dangers. In extreme cases, according to the Mayo Clinic, colloidal silver can cause seizure or organ problems.

Owens didn’t respond to a request for comment.

But colloidal silver’s most famous side effect is argyria—a condition that turns users’ skin a bluish-gray color, usually permanently. Despite those risks, colloidal silver has sometimes been embraced by political outsiders, including some libertarians seeking treatments for a variety of illnesses outside the medical system. Montana Libertarian politician Stan Jones, for example, turned his skin blue by consuming colloidal silver.
Like today's Q freaks, Christian Zionist millenarians, Seven Mountains adherents, consensual slaves to the word "Democrat," Jan. 6 insurgents, and other cultists, they revel in this elitist, attention-seeking behavior.

Well..it IS one way to be set apart. I'll give them that.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:25 pm Back in the 9/11 trooth era, there were tons of so-called liberals, progressives, leftists, etc., hopping abord the colloidal silver cure cult bandwagon.
The weirdest thing of all, as you and I both remember, were people on Randi's board praising Alex Jones. (Also UNN. But let's not go there.)

First off, his claim to have "predicted" 9/11 was as BS as anything else he ever said. He vaguely said the government was gonna do something a couple months before. When is he NOT vaguely predicting the government is gonna do "something"? :roll:
Secondly, I'm like ... people? You do know he's pushing Christian Dominionism, has a long history of supporting the so-called "Militia/Patriot" movement (predecessors of the Oaf Keepers), and claimed Chicanos were part of an "invasion" of America - yeh? And that was BEFORE he started saying Sandy Hook was a false flag.

RWNJ says something people want to hear ('9/11 was an inside job"); LWNJ embraced him. Sigh.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:54 am No you don't you also don't have to be white to be a hate filled racist.
As you have, on more than occasion called Carmen "Racist", you have a lot of room talk there Glenn. You jumped all over the CRT and when Carmen asked you if you had read any CRT, all you could is ask her the same the question in return.

What you do not like Glenn, is when Carmen stands up for herself and has managed to totally own your ass so many times it is beyond ridiculous.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:09 amI called nobody here a racist.
You. Are. A. Liar.

You have called Carmen numerous times. Don't tell such blatant lies Glenn, even you know better than that.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 amthe same standard.
Your only 'Standard" is the Confederate Battle Flag, which you had shit fit about when it was taken down in South Carolina.
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There are two parties, sort of, if you want to call the GOP a political party.

One employs and puts into office openly racist, bigoted, anti semitic, homophobic people filled with hate.

The other does not.

There are people on THIS BOARD who proudly support that racist, bigoted, anti semitic and homophobic party. These are VIOLENT and DEADLY positions to take, supporting that party.

And NOT ONE of them STILL has retracted that support, if anything they are doubling DOWN! :evil:
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gounion wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:33 pm You are playing your passive/aggressive games. We both know what you were trying to insinuate. Have you called Carmen a racist? Have you called me a racist?

Yes or no?
Anyone who does not loudly denounce the GOP (or at least denounce MAGA) is a racist; common sense of math and deduction. Not complicated at all, is it?

Unless said person is a POC, then they cant be a "racist" but they can be stupid.

Not saying this to be provocative, it is 1+1=2, right? Anyone want to disagree? Trust me, when I am wrong I will admit it.
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ProfX wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:19 am However, what standard you are holding all to appears to be unclear.

Explain to me why you think she is a racist. Against what races? White people? Asian people? Native people? Lapplanders?

I think you're making claim #1. Support it.

I will repeat: I have never seen her say "all whites are .... X" ever ... she has never made a categorical statement about "the white race' or "white people"... white conservatives are members of the white race who hold an ideology, but are not all members of that race. Ideology is not a phenotypic trait, like skin color, it's a belief system.

And again to be clear, maybe you feel she is overgeneralizing about an ideology, debate that if you wish, but that doesn't make her "racist". "Beliefist" maybe. :D
The laughable part of this is the ONE thing CJ never does and she told me this YEARS ago is call people racists.

She explained why, and I tried to do the same thing but I cant help it sometimes, like I said elsewhere if you dont denounce GOP or at least MAGA you are by default and simple math, a racist.

And as to liberal white guilt and having a BAD CASE of it...I need the biggest laughing emoticon on earth here, really :lol:

Yeah, Jim Crow , redlining, slavery, etc. Nothing to be guilty about eh! Most of it goes on TODAY!
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marindem01 wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 am As you have, on more than occasion called Carmen "Racist", you have a lot of room talk there Glenn. You jumped all over the CRT and when Carmen asked you if you had read any CRT, all you could is ask her the same the question in return.

What you do not like Glenn, is when Carmen stands up for herself and has managed to totally own your ass so many times it is beyond ridiculous.
Take a look at glenn's racist comments on the Out of Whack thread.

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Number6 wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:55 pm Take a look at glenn's racist comments on the Out of Whack thread.

Out of Whack
Conservative white views on immigration are nauseating, and dangerous.

Especially if the immigrant has a Spanish surname.
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:10 pm Conservative white views on immigration are nauseating, and dangerous.

Especially if the immigrant has a Spanish surname.
Or any non-European name.
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Libertas wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:32 pm The laughable part of this is the ONE thing CJ never does and she told me this YEARS ago is call people racists.

She explained why, and I tried to do the same thing but I cant help it sometimes, like I said elsewhere if you dont denounce GOP or at least MAGA you are by default and simple math, a racist.
Well, it's a little different because for these white cons, being called "racist" by a Black person is just a game to them.

It's also a badge of honor when coming from a Black person in particular, or at least they treat it that way. They don't act this way with any other race/ethnicity/tribe, only Black persons, and there's very obvious historical reasons for their Black-related anxieties. What I've noticed over the decades is how freaked out they get when I won't bestow the badge, and the levels of cog diss and provoking they stoop to, to try and get the badge of honor.

These are games I'm not going to play, because for them it's just a game, and who has time?

Plus, I could really not care less if some individual is personally "a racist." In a country with formal, legalized racism built into the walls, I guess I'm just more focused on institutions, structures, and histories that got us in this boat.
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Number6 wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:13 pm Or any non-European name.
Very true. But they do reserve a special ire towards anyone they perceive as being from south of the border.
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:31 am Lol you genuinely believe WN paranoiac propaganda, such as the general public is accepting of racism against whites, which puts you in agreement with Christian Walker in the OP.



^this is classic nigger-lover, race-traitor treatment.
"I didn't mean to say that, it just slipped out".....

No Glenn did not make a mistake, he is making the old stand by I didn't mean to. Which is not original and used by White Nationalists/White Supremacists as non-apology/apology. It is about as sincere as $3.00 Bill.
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:18 pm Well, it's a little different because for these white cons, being called "racist" by a Black person is just a game to them.

It's also a badge of honor when coming from a Black person in particular, or at least they treat it that way. They don't act this way with any other race/ethnicity/tribe, only Black persons, and there's very obvious historical reasons for their Black-related anxieties. What I've noticed over the decades is how freaked out they get when I won't bestow the badge, and the levels of cog diss and provoking they stoop to, to try and get the badge of honor.

These are games I'm not going to play, because for them it's just a game, and who has time?

Plus, I could really not care less if some individual is personally "a racist." In a country with formal, legalized racism built into the walls, I guess I'm just more focused on institutions, structures, and histories that got us in this boat.
Yeah, that is what you told me years ago, never forgot it, but I wanted you to say it, I didnt want to tell them how you know what you know and why you wont do what they want, that is for you to tell them, and you did.

You remember the time I told you that growing up I knew as a white non Jewish str8t male I knew I was "king" as it relates to how I get treated in society compared to others? I am not king of course nor are any of the others here the same as me but it was an awkward way of making a point of privilege before anybody talked about it or before I knew what privilege was. I also recall having the absurd thought as a pre teen that when I saw a Black child, which was almost never in person because of where I lived, that the child/person wanted to be white like me, because of how well white people lived compared to Black people (in my upside down pre teen head at the time.) That most if not all Black people (in my head at the time) lived in poverty. Maybe not Sammy Davis Jr or Sidney Poitier but most others.

I dont blame my parents for my thinking that way because I am sure I never asked them questions about it. I blame a racist society and TV and etc. I do remember being that 10 yr old and when Maya Angelou and her bongo player were at my house for dinner I didn't notice it in a big way and you think I would based on what I just described. I know our neighbors sure as hell did. Might have been one of the reasons my mom did it. Which is in and of itself racist, but she was a lifelong fan after that. She gave Maya her hat and I want to think she wore it often. And i lost the letter Maya sent my father and I DAMMIT!
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