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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:26 pm Show me an example of any large metropolitan area which has no problems of any kind. No employee problems. Show me any large organization that has no such issues. So if your expectation is some kind of utopian perfection, show me one. You talk like you have the answers. So show me.

As far as your posted example, I believe in California, what prevents CA from making all the reforms you suggest? Why hasn’t it been done there? Or maybe the folks running CA need to hire you so you can tell them how deep the problem runs.
We know California, especially Los Angeles, has had an ongoing police corruption problem for years. It's obvious in this case the Police Union and Union arbitration procedures allow ongoing criminality and corruption to continue.

But hey, not that many people are killed, so you aren't interested in doing anything but having more cops and more firepower, right?
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gounion wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:19 pm Well, no they don't. They would have to give me a legitimate and reasonable suspicion to search the car. Even if they gave me one, I would demand a supervisor, and any search would be done with the understanding that a lawsuit would be forthcoming.

In other words, yep, they can do it. They can also kill me. But I am a free person in this United States with Constitutional protections, and I believe that they are worth standing up for.
Having a CDL since the age of 18, i remember taking a chain binding class that my work sponsored. A x highway patrol officer taught it. Most all of it i already knew but he did give a handy bit of information that i carried with me the rest of my life. Never wrestle with with an office that is inspecting your truck. In some cases you're going to find out he likes wrestling. Confronting him during inspection will only add more tickets. Even if you are dead certain he's wrong, cooperate, take your ticket, and walk away.
Your recourse? Document everything and bring it to a court. Confront the officer there.
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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:44 pm Having a CDL since the age of 18, i remember taking a chain binding class that my work sponsored. A x highway patrol officer taught it. Most all of it i already knew but he did give a handy bit of information that i carried with me the rest of my life. Never wrestle with with an office that is inspecting your truck. In some cases you're going to find out he likes wrestling. Confronting him during inspection will only add more tickets. Even if you are dead certain he's wrong, cooperate, take your ticket, and walk away.
Your recourse? Document everything and bring it to a court. Confront the officer there.
Things are different when you are driving as a job. Since you’re being hired to drive, you have obligations, and the laws are different.

Not as a private citizen.
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gounion wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:24 pm We know California, especially Los Angeles, has had an ongoing police corruption problem for years. It's obvious in this case the Police Union and Union arbitration procedures allow ongoing criminality and corruption to continue.

But hey, not that many people are killed, so you aren't interested in doing anything but having more cops and more firepower, right?
So take your proposals to LA. Clearly they need someone with your insight and expertise in law enforcement. Let’s see how well it works.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:42 pm So take your proposals to LA. Clearly they need someone with your insight and expertise in law enforcement. Let’s see how well it works.
Yeah, because you’re such an expert. It’s clear you don’t want to actually debate anything, because you just aren’t intellectually up to it.

You don’t give a fuck how many black people die. You just want to feel safe.
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gounion wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:01 pm Yeah, because you’re such an expert. It’s clear you don’t want to actually debate anything, because you just aren’t intellectually up to it.

You don’t give a fuck how many black people die. You just want to feel safe.
We do not debate. You lie and misrepresent what I post. You lie and misrepresent what other people post. What results is nothing but pages and pages of meaningless back and forth where you accuse other board members of extreme positions and they spend post after post denying it. That is not a discussion. It is not a debate. It’s a meaningless waste of time.

You and I do not agree on law enforcement. I have heard what you have said and I simply don’t agree. I see no need to keep arguing back and forth accomplishing nothing.

If your ideas are so great then maybe you will find a receptive ear in an area where people think as you. Good luck with that.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:09 pm We do not debate. You lie and misrepresent what I post. You lie and misrepresent what other people post. What results is nothing but pages and pages of meaningless back and forth where you accuse other board members of extreme positions and they spend post after post denying it. That is not a discussion. It is not a debate. It’s a meaningless waste of time.

You and I do not agree on law enforcement. I have heard what you have said and I simply don’t agree. I see no need to keep arguing back and forth accomplishing nothing.

If your ideas are so great then maybe you will find a receptive ear in an area where people think as you. Good luck with that.
No, you are incapable of debate. I have made several proposals, and you are incapable to addressing them. I gave the George Floyd Bill, which you ignore. All you have are personal attacks. You say you can respond to proposals. You cannot. You do not. And everyone can see it.

It’s because you just aren’t that smart. You don’t understand the issues. And in cases like this, that don’t affect you, you just don’t care. As long as the cops keep YOU safe, you don’t give a shit if the murder thousands. You just don’t. You aren’t capable of feeling sympathy or understanding to anyone.
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gounion wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:26 pm No, you are incapable of debate. I have made several proposals, and you are incapable to addressing them. I gave the George Floyd Bill, which you ignore. All you have are personal attacks. You say you can respond to proposals. You cannot. You do not. And everyone can see it.

It’s because you just aren’t that smart. You don’t understand the issues. And in cases like this, that don’t affect you, you just don’t care. As long as the cops keep YOU safe, you don’t give a shit if the murder thousands. You just don’t. You aren’t capable of feeling sympathy or understanding to anyone.
Thanks for proving my point.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:28 pm Thanks for proving my point.
No, you just proved mine. You run away. You can’t debate. I said, I support the George Floyd Bill. Link and info in earlier post. You run away. You won’t debate.

Because you can’t. You’re a gutless worm.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:28 pm Thanks for proving my point.
Thousands? In 2018, the number was less than 1,000. How many of those were justified? I don’t know.

You claim you care. But on the day when Tyree Nichols was buried in Memphis, what did you post? Anything?

Truth be told GoU, I don’t think you give a shit about the victims. You only care if you think you make debate points on a message board with less than 30 members.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:55 pm Thousands? In 2018, the number was less than 1,000. How many of those were justified? I don’t know.

You claim you care. But on the day when Tyree Nichols was buried in Memphis, what did you post? Anything?

Truth be told GoU, I don’t think you give a shit about the victims. You only care if you think you make debate points on a message board with less than 30 members.
Here i've been lead to believe Conservatives are above such things. They didn't wear their hearts on their sleeves. They had better control.

You could quit on it anytime now and build on the opportunity given.
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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:04 pm Here i've been lead to believe Conservatives are above such things. They didn't wear their hearts on their sleeves. They had better control.

You could quit on it anytime now and build on the opportunity given.
There are two sides to every story. Every argument. Every disagreement. Just saying.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:07 pm There are two sides to every story. Every argument. Every disagreement. Just saying.
Just saying what? You have a flame war addiction?
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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:16 pm Just saying what? You have a flame war addiction?
Just wondering why I get all your attention? I’m not the one with the addiction. I’m not the only party in the conversation.

If you want to chat, maybe try PM.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:29 pm Just wondering why I get all your attention? I’m not the one with the addiction. I’m not the only party in the conversation.

If you want to chat, maybe try PM.
i've tried PM's before.
Didn't work.
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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:38 pm i've tried PM's before.
Didn't work.
Sorry to hear that.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:42 pm Sorry to hear that.
It's all good.
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‘Cop City’ protester Manuel Terán shot at least 13 times by police – autopsy
Protester who opposed Georgia’s planned police-training facility was first environmental activist killed by police in US history

...A private autopsy that has since been performed on Paez’s body revealed that several different officers shot him at least 13 times....
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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 2:44 pm Having a CDL since the age of 18, i remember taking a chain binding class that my work sponsored. A x highway patrol officer taught it. Most all of it i already knew but he did give a handy bit of information that i carried with me the rest of my life. Never wrestle with with an office that is inspecting your truck. In some cases you're going to find out he likes wrestling. Confronting him during inspection will only add more tickets. Even if you are dead certain he's wrong, cooperate, take your ticket, and walk away.
Your recourse? Document everything and bring it to a court. Confront the officer there.

Exactly what I've been saying about all stops DOT or regular.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:55 pm Thousands? In 2018, the number was less than 1,000. How many of those were justified? I don’t know.
So how many black men can be murdered by the Police before you say it's important enough to say things need to change? 10,000? 100,000?

And since Lt. Carzon Nizario lived, nothing should be done, right?
You claim you care. But on the day when Tyree Nichols was buried in Memphis, what did you post? Anything?
Why don't you whitesplain to me if I should post on the day he's buried, Joe? Now, this is what the NRA does. If there's a shooting, they say "now's not the time to talk about guns, now's the time to mourn". That way they can wait till things calm down so they can bury the possible gun legislation, too.
Truth be told GoU, I don’t think you give a shit about the victims. You only care if you think you make debate points on a message board with less than 30 members.
I don't care what you think. One thing is sure - you DON'T give a shit about the black men murdered, because your posts prove it.
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DOJ to investigate Memphis Police Department after Tyre Nichols’ fatal arrest: Mayor

Memphis Mayor Jim Strickland announced in a city bulletin posted Friday that the Department of Justice (DOJ) will be conducting a review of the Memphis Police Department following the death of 29-year-old Tyre Nichols after he was beaten by Memphis police.

The DOJ’s review was described by Memphis officials as an “independent, external review” and the city has stated that the agency will assess all of Memphis Police Department’s (MPD) special units and its use of force policies.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... est-mayor/
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:44 am Exactly what I've been saying about all stops DOT or regular.
Be polite Be professional Respond with lots of sirs Never argue Never start spouting about laws or "my rights".
Do that and you will never be in danger and many times you drive away with a warning.
i know and agree, with one caveat. One caveat that some refuse to acknowledge. Care to acknowledge what that caveat is?
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bradman wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:53 pm i know and agree, with one caveat. One caveat that some refuse to acknowledge. Care to acknowledge what that caveat is?
Okay. I’ll ask. What’s the caveat?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:57 am Okay. I’ll ask. What’s the caveat?
Iv'e always found this interesting.......

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/ ... c8a9e82b9a
Attractive People Have A Big Advantage In The Job Interview
Attractive people have an advantage in the job search and advancing in their careers. We talk about all types of biases, but largely ignore the fact that decisions are made based upon how someone looks. While deep down, we all kind of know that this is sort of true, a new University of Buffalo study confirms this inconvenient and uncomfortable fact.

Separately, a Harvard study previously confirmed,“Workers of above average beauty earn about 10 to 15% more than workers of below-average beauty. The size of this beauty premium is economically significant and comparable to the race and gender gaps in the U.S. labor market.” For example, you tend to see generally tall men as CEOs of major corporations and winning presidential candidates.

The findings of the UB study show, “Attractive people are more likely to get hired, receive better evaluations and get paid more.” The results indicate that there is something called a “beauty premium” that exists across professions.
Now i'm no beauty but i do stand close to 6'3" and have always been in good shape. i might not want to admit it but, over the years i have noticed that it has helped me in certain situations. Given that, why would i not believe it also gave me a bit of an advantage when stopped by a cop. Taking it a little further ya run into the caveat that is sometimes difficult to admit to. i have to admit, i also have an extra added advantage by the color of my skin. Which would make me have to admit that i have a better chance of a police stop going smoothly. It's not fair.
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ap215 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:22 am The DOJ’s review was described by Memphis officials as an “independent, external review” and the city has stated that the agency will assess all of Memphis Police Department’s (MPD) special units and its use of force policies.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... est-mayor/
This reminds me of the consent decree that the Feds forced on LAPD, after which there was an improvement. LA is still ungovernable, but it helped.
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