That’s what YOU are doing demanding that people be held without bail. But hey, you’re the one that’s scared even though you’re in no danger, either from crime or from undocumented workers. You just let Fox News scare you.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:42 am Are there exceptions? Sure. Show me a policy that doesn’t have exceptions. But you don’t throw out a policy that is working based on the exceptions especially when statistically there are few exceptions. If you want to go down that road it only leads to anarchy.
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I’m not demanding that everyone be held without bail. Show me that post. I said habitual offenders. Big difference. So stop putting words in my mouth. You want to have an honest discussion? Fine. Stop lying about what I post. Start there.
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Again, black people. Because hey, they’re obviously guilty, right?JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:47 am I’m
Not demanding that everyone be held without bail. Show me that post. I said habitual offenders. Big difference. So stop putting words in my mouth. You want to have an honest discussion? Fine. Stop lying about what I post. Start there.
Again, in REAL justice, what says that just because someone did a crime before, does that mean they’re automatically guilty? What about someone that’s trying to go straight, just gets caught up and is in jail for months and months?
But you don’t fucking care, do you? You don’t believe in “innocent until proven guilty” for THOSE people, do you?
We have three strikes laws already. Crime is down.
But again, you’re all for building more prisons to hold THOSE PEOPLE, aren’t you?
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Obviously you are incapable of having an honest discussion without losing it emotionally and lying about what others say and post. So we are done here.gounion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:50 am Again, black people. Because hey, they’re obviously guilty, right?
Again, in REAL justice, what says that just because someone did a crime before, does that mean they’re automatically guilty? What about someone that’s trying to go straight, just gets caught up and is in jail for months and months?
But you don’t fucking care, do you? You don’t believe in “innocent until proven guilty” for THOSE people, do you?
We have three strikes laws already. Crime is down.
But again, you’re all for building more prisons to hold THOSE PEOPLE, aren’t you?
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Go ahead and run away. It’s what you’re good at.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:52 am Obviously you are incapable of having an honest discussion without losing it emotionally and lying about what others say and post. So we are done here.
You can’t rebut any of my points. We already have three strikes laws. Why are you for keeping people imprisoned without due process?
That’s why you’re running away. If YOU are arrested, you’d DEMAND due process. For others, not so much.
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Are you claiming bail violates the constitution because it denies due process? Is that your argument?gounion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:57 am Go ahead and run away. It’s what you’re good at.
You can’t rebut any of my points. We already have three strikes laws. Why are you for keeping people imprisoned without due process?
That’s why you’re running away. If YOU are arrested, you’d DEMAND due process. For others, not so much.
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I didn’t say that.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:01 am Are you claiming bail violates the constitution because it denies due process? Is that your argument?




Is that all you got?
But again, the judge decided on bail. I’m sure he wishes he could have taken it back, but then he can’t see the future. But YOU can, and you just want to hold anyone for months that has a prior record, whether they’re trying to go straight or not.
We have three strikes laws already. But you want to go beyond that. You don’t give a fuck about their lives, just build more jails and prisons. To me, that’s just driving people to crime, when you don’t give them a chance to go straight.
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Again, I didn’t say that either. Can you have an honest discussion. I don’t think it’s in your DNA.gounion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:05 am I didn’t say that.![]()
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Is that all you got?
But again, the judge decided on bail. I’m sure he wishes he could have taken it back, but then he can’t see the future. But YOU can, and you just want to hold anyone for months that has a prior record, whether they’re trying to go straight or not.
We have three strikes laws already. But you want to go beyond that. You don’t give a fuck about their lives, just build more jails and prisons. To me, that’s just driving people to crime, when you don’t give them a chance to go straight.
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I’m not the one denying that crime is down, not up. You’re the one living in a Fox News fantasy.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:10 am Again, I didn’t say that either. Can you have an honest discussion. I don’t think it’s in your DNA.
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Crime isn’t down. It’s down compared to last year which was a high year. Business down when compared to prepandemic. Further you ignore the fact that 1. They have changed the reporting system and major cities like NYC don’t or haven’t reported. You also ignore the fact that prosecutors often don’t charge and refuse to prosecute. And lastly you ignore the fact that folks don’t report crimes as in the past for fear of retribution. The perps are back out on the streets the next day. For instance, smash and grab crimes in major cities don’t get reported in many cases because it does absolutely no good. Nothing happens.
So you go ahead and sell the crime is down theme. But people know just like they know they aren’t better off economically. Just like they know gas prices aren’t down and inflation isn’t down and grocery prices aren’t down and housing prices aren’t down. You can tell them differently and show them cherry picked reports and studies, but they know the truth.
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Just dealing in facts. WAAAAY down from the Reagan years. But hey, Fox News tells you that crime is everywhere so you believe it, and actual facts don’t matter to you. You’ll come up with every excuse you can. It’s hilarious.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:27 am Crime isn’t down. It’s down compared to last year which was a high year. Business down when compared to prepandemic. Further you ignore the fact that 1. They have changed the reporting system and major cities like NYC don’t or haven’t reported. You also ignore the fact that prosecutors often don’t charge and refuse to prosecute. And lastly you ignore the fact that folks don’t report crimes as in the past for fear of retribution. The perps are back out on the streets the next day. For instance, smash and grab crimes in major cities don’t get reported in many cases because it does absolutely no good. Nothing happens.
So you go ahead and sell the crime is down theme. But people know just like they know they aren’t better off economically. Just like they know gas prices aren’t down and inflation isn’t down and grocery prices aren’t down and housing prices aren’t down. You can tell them differently and show them cherry picked reports and studies, but they know the truth.
And blame the Dems for the pandemic and what Trump did that caused all the problems. You believe anything he says, don’t you?
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In case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, Reagan has been dead 20 years. He left office over 30 years ago. So if you have to go back 30 years to find a crime rate higher than Biden’s then the numbers are bad. Crime is up compared to recent trends. Comparing the numbers to the 1980’s is meaningless. Why don’t you go back and compare them to the Capone years and prohibition?gounion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:39 pm Just dealing in facts. WAAAAY down from the Reagan years. But hey, Fox News tells you that crime is everywhere so you believe it, and actual facts don’t matter to you. You’ll come up with every excuse you can. It’s hilarious.
And blame the Dems for the pandemic and what Trump did that caused all the problems. You believe anything he says, don’t you?



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Per the FBI, violent crime and property crime are BOTH waaaaay down and historically low. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... statisticsJoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:37 pm In case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, Reagan has been dead 20 years. He left office over 30 years ago. So if you have to go back 30 years to find a crime rate higher than Biden’s then the numbers are bad. Crime is up compared to recent trends. Comparing the numbers to the 1980’s is meaningless. Why don’t you go back and compare them to the Capone years and prohibition?![]()
Talk about cherry picking your numbers and finding a survey that tells you what you want to hear. You take the cake.
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You have to cherry-pick for anything else. That’s because Fox News tells you how to think.
Again, we have problems - but our biggest problem is unprofessional cops that get away with murder, plus predominately white males that start mass shootings. Hell, without those mass shootings, our numbers would be even FURTHER down.
Why did the cop that murdered Philando Castile go free?
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gounion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:50 pm Per the FBI, violent crime and property crime are BOTH waaaaay down and historically low. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... statistics
You have to cherry-pick for anything else. That’s because Fox News tells you how to think.
Again, we have problems - but our biggest problem is unprofessional cops that get away with murder, plus predominately white males that start mass shootings. Hell, without those mass shootings, our numbers would be even FURTHER down.
Why did the cop that murdered Philando Castile go free?
Posting links is futile.
Well, for some. I read them. Or will later, when I'm not reading this on the phone. And the cat just fell asleep on my lap so I'm not moving anytime soon.
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Yeah, Joe never reads them or comments on them. He just pretends that he KNOWS they are all bogus and what Fox News tells him is the truth.
I don’t do it for Joe or for Glenn. I do it for the people that come here and read the posts, so they know Joe doesn’t have a clue, and is a complete idiot that lives in a fantasyland.
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Did you read this link? Just curious. Either you or Toonces or both?gounion wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:57 pm Yeah, Joe never reads them or comments on them. He just pretends that he KNOWS they are all bogus and what Fox News tells him is the truth.
I don’t do it for Joe or for Glenn. I do it for the people that come here and read the posts, so they know Joe doesn’t have a clue, and is a complete idiot that lives in a fantasyland.
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Yup.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:39 pm Did you read this link? Just curious. Either you or Toonces or both?
Did you read MY links? Yes or no?
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I read the FBI link. I read where it said that it was based on estimates which I told you several times. I also saw where murders were quite a bit lower in 2015 and again in 2019. Something you didn’t mention at all for some strange reason. I also saw stats for major cities that showed crime up by double digits in many large cities. I also noticed where it said crime was down by double digits in Chicago. Whoever came up with that number was smoking dope. So your report doesn’t say what you claim. It does verify many of my points so thanks for that.
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It removes the discretion of treating poor defendants differently than wealthy defendants.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:41 pm A judge has always decided bail. Laws that take away cash bail remove discretion from the judge. We disagree on the widespread corruption you seem to believe exist in law enforcement. Bail is there to protect the public from repeat offenders. Releasing repeat offenders out on the street just creates more victims. Victims that more often than not are the poor and defenseless.
Placing a higher priority on the rights of repeat offenders over the rights of law abiding citizens doesn’t make us safer nor is it more just. It just encourages career criminals.
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It also removes the discretion of treating habitual offenders differently from those who aren’t habitual offenders. It removes the discretion of treating violent repeat offenders differently than first time offenders. It’s not a question of wealth versus poverty. It’s a question of whether the accused poses a threat to themselves and/or others. It’s a question of whether someone is a flight risk.Motor City wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:11 am It removes the discretion of treating poor defendants differently than wealthy defendants.
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If you guys actually knew poor people on the system then you would know that they get every chance to redeem and change themselves the first 2 or 3 times they are caught.Motor City wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:11 am It removes the discretion of treating poor defendants differently than wealthy defendants.
You would also know that many take advantage of that chance. You would also know that those who don't have a sense of invincibility and that the system will never catch up to them.
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So you believe the numbers you like, and just outright refuse to believe the numbers you don’t. Got it.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:52 pm I read the FBI link. I read where it said that it was based on estimates which I told you several times. I also saw where murders were quite a bit lower in 2015 and again in 2019. Something you didn’t mention at all for some strange reason. I also saw stats for major cities that showed crime up by double digits in many large cities. I also noticed where it said crime was down by double digits in Chicago. Whoever came up with that number was smoking dope. So your report doesn’t say what you claim. It does verify many of my points so thanks for that.
It’s all about your political views and your fantasy world developed around them. You refuse to have reality intrude.
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What you got are estimates. What you got doesn’t support what you claim. That’s what you got.
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What I have are FACTS. What YOU have are fantasies.JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:12 pm What you got are estimates. What you got doesn’t support what you claim. That’s what you got.
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YOUR link says quite clearly that it’s partially based on ESTIMATES. Now maybe in your world estimates are facts. Maybe in your world. The rest of the world knows that estimates are not facts. So obviously you don’t know the difference. You just proved it.


