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I guess this was inevitable in an age where people say families impacted by school shootings are really crisis actors, the 9/11 planes were holograms, and COVID was a hoax.

Ukraine war: Viral conspiracy theories falsely claim the war is fake
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64789737

The first anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine has led to a spike in false claims about the war on social media, with some posts gaining millions of engagements.

A number of US right-wing accounts with large followings posted a series of baseless claims that suggested the entire Ukraine war might be a hoax perpetrated by Western media and governments.

Those spreading the most viral claims included some who had previously been suspended from Twitter and allowed back onto the platform following Elon Musk's takeover.

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I saw Wag the Dog. Yes, it is possible to deepfake a war, I suppose, and it is true Zelensky was once a comic actor, BUT ... really?
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ProfX wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:50 am I guess this was inevitable in an age where people say families impacted by school shootings are really crisis actors, the 9/11 planes were holograms, and COVID was a hoax.

Ukraine war: Viral conspiracy theories falsely claim the war is fake
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64789737

The first anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine has led to a spike in false claims about the war on social media, with some posts gaining millions of engagements.

A number of US right-wing accounts with large followings posted a series of baseless claims that suggested the entire Ukraine war might be a hoax perpetrated by Western media and governments.

Those spreading the most viral claims included some who had previously been suspended from Twitter and allowed back onto the platform following Elon Musk's takeover.

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I saw Wag the Dog. Yes, it is possible to deepfake a war, I suppose, and it is true Zelensky was once a comic actor, BUT ... really?
I know someone who believes that. They think the battle scenes are from video games and film footage from other events.
Trying to convince them otherwise just cements their beliefs further.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:07 am I know someone who believes that. They think the battle scenes are from video games and film footage from other events.
Trying to convince them otherwise just cements their beliefs further.
It's what happens when the GOP is all kayfabe.
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ProfX wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:50 am I guess this was inevitable in an age where people say families impacted by school shootings are really crisis actors, the 9/11 planes were holograms, and COVID was a hoax.

Ukraine war: Viral conspiracy theories falsely claim the war is fake
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64789737

The first anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine has led to a spike in false claims about the war on social media, with some posts gaining millions of engagements.

A number of US right-wing accounts with large followings posted a series of baseless claims that suggested the entire Ukraine war might be a hoax perpetrated by Western media and governments.

Those spreading the most viral claims included some who had previously been suspended from Twitter and allowed back onto the platform following Elon Musk's takeover.

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I saw Wag the Dog. Yes, it is possible to deepfake a war, I suppose, and it is true Zelensky was once a comic actor, BUT ... really?
isn't all war fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK4p7tbwv1w

When This Lousy War Is Over

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The motives for war are usually fake.

The consequences are anything but. There's no such thing as being a little bit dead.

The deepfake Albania war in the movie was a media event in which a government lied. In fact, as that story went, the CIA went public that there was no war, but the president and his hired gun the Bob Evans parody outsmarted them and made the fake war even more viral.

It's only a movie, but don't forget that in real history we responded to 9/11 mostly by occupying the wrong country. It seems likely from the facts of the situation that goober bush probably let Bin Laden escape to Bangla Desh or Pakistan or wherever because without him to hold up as the universal boogyman we'd have needed another excuse to stay there for 15 years.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:43 am The motives for war are usually fake.

The consequences are anything but. There's no such thing as being a little bit dead.

The deepfake Albania war in the movie was a media event in which a government lied. In fact, as that story went, the CIA went public that there was no war, but the president and his hired gun the Bob Evans parody outsmarted them and made the fake war even more viral.

It's only a movie, but don't forget that in real history we responded to 9/11 mostly by occupying the wrong country. It seems likely from the facts of the situation that goober bush probably let Bin Laden escape to Bangla Desh or Pakistan or wherever because without him to hold up as the universal boogyman we'd have needed another excuse to stay there for 15 years.
Probably true. To be a super hero, as Bush wanted to be, you have to have a super villain. That's why Rumsfeld went on TV with a cartoon of a hollowed-out mountain that looked to be from a James Bond, and said there were many of them. Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TWXbpdrkw
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Don't forget the fictitious WMD, and Rumsfeld or whoever showing pictures at the UN where he pointed at old trucks and said they were mobile nuclear missile launchers. Or that famous slip by some British government falloon who let it get out that everything they said in public was "being shaped around the policy." It was definitely one of those "you guys take the pictures, I'll supply the war" foreign policy moments.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:07 am I know someone who believes that. They think the battle scenes are from video games and film footage from other events.
Trying to convince them otherwise just cements their beliefs further.
[bold] Sorry dude, can't help it.

That's kinda the same problem we have with people....uhhhmmmm........like you. :mrgreen:
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:53 pm Don't forget the fictitious WMD, and Rumsfeld or whoever showing pictures at the UN where he pointed at old trucks and said they were mobile nuclear missile launchers. Or that famous slip by some British government falloon who let it get out that everything they said in public was "being shaped around the policy." It was definitely one of those "you guys take the pictures, I'll supply the war" foreign policy moments.
cant ever forget that
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And the GOP is assisting them. Constant pro Kremlin propaganda being spewed over RW state TV.

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NEW: Russian authorities appear to be escalating their promotion of false flag information operations to distract from their lack of tangible battlefield gains & slow down the provision of Western military aid ahead of expected Ukrainian counteroffensives. http://isw.pub/UkrWar022823


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NEW: The #Kremlin is meanwhile likely attempting to reintroduce yet another #Russian information operation aimed at falsely portraying #Russia as being open to negotiations regarding #Ukraine while the collective West refuses to negotiate. http://isw.pub/UkrWar022823

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2/ #Kremlin spox Dmitry #Peskov stated on 28 FEB that Russian officials are open to negotiations to end the war in #Ukraine but that Ukraine and the West must recognize new “territorial realities” associated with #Russia’s illegal annexation of occupied territories in Ukraine.
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3/ #Peskov added that #Ukraine also needs to consider #Russia’s specific goals in the war in Ukraine to reach a negotiated settlement.
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4/ These goals include regime change of the #Ukrainian government under the rubric of “denazification“ and the elimination of #Ukraine’s ability to defend itself against future #Russian attacks under the rubric of “demilitarization.”


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And Hitler only wanted an outlet to the sea.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:53 pm Don't forget the fictitious WMD, and Rumsfeld or whoever showing pictures at the UN where he pointed at old trucks and said they were mobile nuclear missile launchers. Or that famous slip by some British government falloon who let it get out that everything they said in public was "being shaped around the policy." It was definitely one of those "you guys take the pictures, I'll supply the war" foreign policy moments.
The thing that amazed me was when they were pushing that Iraq had drones that could reach the U.S.. I remember remarking to one of my troops that that was a lie because the U.S. didn't have a drone that could fly from the U.S. to Iraq plus we have bases and ships as well as a missile alert system that could detect and shoot it down it before it reached the Atlantic Ocean.
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And now a word from Vladimir Putin thru Kremlin agent Madison Cawthorn, whose special abilities include punching the bark off small trees and dry humping his cousin's face.

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Conservatives have no problem putting money into Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East, but suddenly have a problem with Putin’s enemy and his threat to Europe? Funny, that. Remember when conservatives understood that Russia was the enemy?

And aside from Alaska and Hawaii missing from Bobo’s map, since when do conservatives care about placing tax money into helping America?

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Drak wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:49 pm Conservatives have no problem putting money into Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East, but suddenly have a problem with Putin’s enemy and his threat to Europe? Funny, that. Remember when conservatives understood that Russia was the enemy?

And aside from Alaska and Hawaii missing from Bobo’s map, since when do conservatives care about placing tax money into helping America?

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They will be fully supportive of any action taken to defend Taiwan. To be sure, Taiwan is deserving of defense.

Fortunately, Biden has sided with Ukraine, otherwise, Russia's imperialism would have had a better chance.
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This one shows up in my algorithm on occasion....

https://news.yahoo.com/air-mobility-com ... 12464.html
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Air Mobility Command Removes Tail Numbers and Unit Info from Planes, Alarming Watchdogs
Air Mobility Command has directed its refueling and cargo planes to obscure the majority of identifying information painted on the aircraft, citing national security concerns -- an unusual move that is alarming to government watchdogs.

James Stewart, a spokesman for Air Mobility Command, told Military.com in an emailed statement that airmen's missions take them around the globe and often involve sensitive movements of cargo -- the main reason behind the change.
Since it only pops up on occasion, i've never been able to understand where it fits in with what passes for valid news nowadays.

Cuz i gotta say this is a rather alarming statement..
"Because of operational security concerns, we cannot provide specifics, though our aircraft will maintain markings as required by law," Stewart said in the provided statement.

The change in the paint schemes, first reported by Aviation Week, comes a little more than a month after Air Mobility commander Gen. Mike Minihan sent a memo to his service members telling them to prepare for a war with China and warning them that it could be coming as soon as 2025.

But despite AMC's stated justification of national security concerns, the new move to obscure some identifying info on planes is both alarming and puzzling to government watchdogs and transparency advocates.
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Carlyle group guy to increase the economic pain on the vulnerable.

Fed: Get ready for more interest rate hikes

When looking at the war in Ukraine the United States is staring into a mirror of itself for the last 20 years or so, as an invading aggressor and occupier. As it tries to sell the world on standing up to aggressors and bullies and defending democracy it remains woefully timid and afraid to defend its own from money in politics and big business and executives, corrupted authorities.
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By making that statement, Boeboe is expressing opposition to ALL foreign aid - even that for development, humanitarian assistance, disaster relief ...

Of course, it's a typical position for isolationists in her party.
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Except she didn’t feel that way about Afghanistan. And although it’s not in the same ballpark, I doubt she’d openly express criticism towards America’s partnership with Israel.
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The AMC thing is kind of silly. Black projects hardly ever use these transports. There are plenty of contractors who can run missions in completely civilian aircraft with no markings except an "N" number that comes back to some innocent sounding airline. How do you think Ray Gun got supplies to the Contras after Congress ordered him to stop?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1004tB9JzZM
Could Lula Help End the War in Ukraine? Brazil's President Vows to Pursue Diplomacy, Won't Arm Kyiv

We speak with Celso Amorim, the foreign adviser to Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, about how Brazil could play a key role in peace talks to end the war in Ukraine.

Lula recently met with President Biden, who has unsuccessfully pushed Brazil to send weapons to Ukraine.

Lula says he told Biden, "I don't want to join the war, I want to end the war."

"If you only talk how to defeat Russia, how to enfeeble or weaken Russia, that will not come to a positive conclusion," says Amorim, who also previously served as Brazil's foreign minister, as well as its defense minister.

"You have to talk to everyone, including your adversaries."
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Drumpf did plenty of talking to Russia.

Had Biden kept talking, Russia would be adding 233,032 square miles to its sovereign territory right about now, and taking a bead on Poland. Poland, being a NATO member, would be getting ready to invoke Article 5, committing US troops.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDBxh_Lb2yk
"Unwinnable War"? Calls Grow for Negotiated End to Ukraine War

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When was the last winnable war? The UK in the Falklands? Even that issue seems to be coming around again.

WWII looked winnable, but here we go again with Central Europe and the South China Sea. Plus ce change...................

War in general seems to be somewhat related to the delusions of people who become leaders for the wrong reasons or stay in power for too long.
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