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woodland hills fire...new....burns the only trees left in the entire area.
aerial above the valley.

these fires are literally burning the only trees, forest, left in SCA.
whats burning is surrounded by...dirt.
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Evacuation warning just went out to every cell phone in LA. Perhaps someone pushed the wrong button. Nooz says it's for the West Valley, many miles from here. Cell phone said basically to grab the go bag. There must be a lot of panic going on now.
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Nooz now saying that indeed someone at LA Sheriff's Communication Center pushed the wrong button and sent an evacuation order to every cell phone in LA County. We're told to disregard.

Last night at 3 AM every cell phone in LA was told that it was windy. Three alert tones and a loud voice message.

Just this second every cell phone in LA got an alert saying to forget the last alert.

Gives you an idea of the chaos here.
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all those people, citizens, kids, seniors...no jobs no homes no schools, they cant come back.

those hydrants were made and set for Houses not forests.
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Problem with the hydrants is that it's hard to maintain pressure in the hills. LA water utilities pump water up to huge tanks in the hills. This works fine until there are four or five major fires going at once and every fire truck in SoCal is tapping a hydrant because the aircraft can't fly because it's too windy. Then the fire trucks hook up and yank the handle, and nothing happens. Then the fire trucks have to head downhill to where there is pressure, fill up their own tanks, and start back up to the fire, which by then is happily eating entire neighborhoods.

Happens every time. They spend money, they claim it's fixed, next time same thing.
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most will never rebuild in that area at least since INS corps are raising rates and dumping people hourly
for both med and housing.

they wont like this one at all. most of those people are fucked.
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Insurance is indeed already high, and now it will become stratospheric. Problem. And soon we won't have a president.
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Cameron Mathison, James Woods, Paris Hilton, more celebrities lose homes in LA fires

Deadly wildfires are devastating the Los Angeles area, prompting evacuations and causing people, including numerous celebrities, to lose their homes.

Five people are dead as the fires continue to rage in California, and more than 100,000 have been ordered to evacuate. According to Los Angeles County Fire Chief Anthony Marrone, at least 1,000 structures have been destroyed in the fires.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertai ... 574433007/
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:42 pm Insurance is indeed already high, and now it will become stratospheric. Problem. And soon we won't have a president.
cant even imagine what that maga-it will do, ahem will not do.

capitalism cripples our politicians while creating oligarchies.
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the kids. theyve lost everything. schools, friends, books toys...

i cant even hear about the animals. cannot do it. sigh.
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this means we passed the projected limit, good thing its a passing ...thing.
now if its every year what will the maga-it do. buy the sun!

fahrenheit is us.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts- ... -threshold
Earth records hottest year ever in 2024 and the jump was so big it breached a key threshold --

The European team calculated 1.6 degrees Celsius (2.89 degrees Fahrenheit) of warming. Japan found 1.57 degrees Celsius (2.83 degrees Fahrenheit) and the British 1.53 degrees Celsius (2.75 degrees Fahrenheit) in releases of data coordinated to early Friday morning European time.

“Climate-change-related alarm bells have been ringing almost constantly, which may be causing the public to become numb to the urgency, like police sirens in New York City,” Woodwell Climate Research Center scientist Jennifer Francis said. “In the case of the climate, though, the alarms are getting louder, and the emergencies are now way beyond just temperature.”

The world incurred $140 billion in climate-related disaster losses last year — third highest on record — with North America especially hard hit, according to a report by the insurance firm Munich Re.

“The acceleration of global temperature increases means more damage to property and impacts on human health and the ecosystems we depend on,”....World breaches major threshold--
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La Nina finally arrives at Pacific, but with weak periodic cooling

A long-awaited La Nina has finally appeared, but the periodic cooling of Pacific Ocean waters is weak and unlikely to cause as many weather problems as usual, meteorologists said Thursday.

La Nina, the flip side of the better-known El Nino, is an irregular rising of unusually cold water in a key part of the central equatorial Pacific that changes weather patterns worldwide.

https://www.business-standard.com/world ... 329_1.html
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It's already caused one BIG ASS problem in SoCal. No rain AT ALL. None. Oh OK, we actually got 0.02 inches in November, while I was in New York, but I don't count that. It wasn't enough to matter, and won't until we get more like five to eight inches, and that is decidedly not going to happen because the current part of the weather cycle is bone dry. There is a fairly good chance that there will be no real rain this winter AT ALL.

It's the cycle that does this place in. Heavy rain for a couple of years makes all the brush grow nice and big, and then there's no rain and it dries out and it's time for it to reproduce in the only way it knows. It's evolved over millions of years to burn, explode, create its own weather, lift seeds thousands of feet into the air as it explodes like gasoline soaked newspaper and ceases to exist. The seeds land in the scorched earth and despite the hostile environment they take root and start to grow like the worst garden weed you can imagine. Rain comes back in a few months, it gets all the water it needs, literally we rinse and repeat.

One good reason to hate Southern California. This ecosystem was here before we ever were. Richard Henry Dana described it pretty well in Two Years Before the Mast, when LA was still a small underfunded struggling little religious mission trying to enslave, oops I mean Christianize, the natives. The Native Americans had been smart enough to adapt to it. We stupid Eurocentric interlopers took over, and our forebears thought we could dominate nature, but guess what, nature just won again.

It is once again made clear to anyone who wants to listen that there never should have been a big city here. Too late for me, my parents came out in the mid/late 20th century like everybody else, and stayed and bred, now here I am, in the closest thing to Biblical hell in the USA.

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Latest Palisades stats per Cal FIRE:

20438 acres burned

Several thousand structures believed destroyed, possibly up to 10,000. No accurate count, but keep in mind that a "structure" in these counts is anything human-made. It goes all the way from a mansion to a granny house to an outhouse to even a parked car.

Evacuation area is the size of many of the cities you folks live in. Palisades Fire area ALONE is about the size of Manhattan, and by now you can probably throw in Roosevelt Island and Long Island City. That's actually the conservative estimate. Really. Goes on for mile after mile, all the way from Ventura County down through much of LA county, all the way to the southwest part of Santa Monica, and inland clear to west San Fernando Valley. Would take you 45 minutes to drive through it at normal speeds.

The area for the fire in Pasadena/Altadena is not that much smaller. It started in an area you see in the Rose Parade every year, and then yesterday huge flames went all the way up 5200-foot Mount Wilson, where the observatory and half the essential communication towers in LA are. The FD stopped it there, but barely. Mt. Harvard, where other towers are, is about halfway to Wilson, and the one picture I saw on TV showed it burning ferociously. I haven't checked whether KUSC is still on the air.

3 or 4 other smaller fires, hard to keep them all straight.

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The evacuation system crashed and burned yesterday afternoon. I'm lucky. I only got one vaguely worded and obviously bogus evacuation warning on my cell phone, and since I could see out the window, and since the warning was only marginally coherent, I figured the software had burped. Soon after, we were advised via media that it had done just that. Finally another warning on my cell phone said to disregard the previous one.

Apparently last night a bunch more orders to evacuate went out. I didn't get them, but a lot of other people did. All bogus. People were yelling at officials at the morning presser, saying for Chrissake fix it before we all start leaving our cell phones off and we miss a real one. No straight answer. Murmur murmur murmur software malfunction murmer system department is tracing murmer murmer obviously a major coding error but no one can find it yet.............................

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LAPD provides update on potential arson charges over Kenneth Fire

Law enforcement in Southern California detained a possible arson suspect in connection to one of nearly a half dozen deadly fires raging as of Friday, but the allegation the man started a fire has been determined to be unfounded, officials said.

According to a post on the Los Angeles Police Department's X account Thursday night, just after 4:30 p.m. PT, a call came in near the 21700 block of Ybarra Road in which "a male was heard stating a suspect was attempting to light a fire."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 592113007/
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Yeah, that guy didn't do anything except being stupid, which is not only legal in LA, but normal behavior. There IS a problem that TV crews can now access the rich-ass Palisades and the only slightly less rich Altadena, and people see the few remaining big houses with no people around and wonder whether it's time to go shopping. Fortunately they've activated the National Guard. I remember those people from the earthquake. They have their game faces on and they carry very formidable looking weapons.

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Yahoo! Just got a REAL evacuation order on my cell phone. It's not for here, no prob. However, it does indicate that we have yet another new fire way out on the other side of the hill somewhere.
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These allow you to scroll across the picture to see the before and after effects.

Before and after images reveal destruction of the Los Angeles fires

Satellite and aerial images reveal the damage caused by California wildfires

Multiple wildfires fueled by fierce Santa Ana winds, have killed 10 and burned more than 35,000 acres near Los Angeles. The winds, which occur most often in the fall and winter, push dry air from over the inland deserts of California and the Southwest toward the coast, the National Weather Service said.

Five separate wildfires producing large flames and dangerous smoke, have forced more than 180,000 people to flee their homes and at least 10 people have died, fire officials said. The fires have destroyed more than 10,000 homes.

Recent satellite and aerial imagery reveals the amount of destruction the fast-moving fires have caused in the highly-populated area of Los Angeles county.
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The wildfires are just the start of the problems for those who've lost their homes. President Biden has promise to cover the recovery costs for six months which will help. But the real problem is where do those who've lost their homes go? Housing is in short supply in California and these fires will only exasperate the problem. In addition, how many businesses have been lost so that means many people will now be unemployed.

It's going to be tough on them for the next couple of years.
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The fire that triggered the evacuation is already out. It was about 100x50 feet. Yes, they got to it fast.
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Something like five separate fires. The two biggest ones, Palisades and the one in Pasadena/Altadena, have destroyed thousands of buildings.

The scene that sticks in my mind is the coast highway north of Topanga and all the way up to Malibu pier where people surf. The whole way, you have cliffs on one side and until yesterday there was a continuous line of beach houses on the other side. They're all built on pilings out over the ocean. Also some restaurants. On and on, strung out along the highway. I just got curious and measured it on Google Earth. It's six miles.

All gone. Every single one. Nothing left but smoking rubble.

It's all about climate change. Santa Ana winds are common in LA but these had 100 MPH gusts. That has never, ever happened before, at least not since people have measured wind speeds around here, which is a couple of hundred years. The insidious thing about climate change is that the seasons still come. It still gets hot in summer and cold in winter, so people think there's no problem, but meanwhile most hot spells get hotter, many storms get bigger, etc etc. Sneaks up on you. Suddenly you're standing in miles of rubble, wondering wtf just hit you.

I'm sure that our next president will tell you it's nothing to worry about. I didn't vote for him.
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They just extended the evacuation warning area all the way to the 405 freeway and south to San Vicente blvd. That's all of Brentwood. We can see it from here, though it's still miles away.
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where does all the debris go?
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ah yes. i awake this morning and again hear the tv people repeating the bashing of the people for blame
on these fires and lack of fixing..fires.

theyll spend eternity seeking alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
us 2legs to blame for these fires.

fires of course which are a natural event depending on the background..of the fire.
why how where...all things the native locals once knew practiced and managed across
many zillions of acres they managed on the move or settling their own tribes.

but today...no we gotta point the political tv celeb finger at..the rest of us.
of course theres too many of us, YAH I GET THAT...oligarchs get that Too.

and they pay each other to avoid taking any blame for conditions On this planet
which Only They could cause and affect. :twisted:

dont wonder why all the pols/news blames "immigrants"...the oligarchs are blamed by oligarchs
who control the source of the blame and they mostly too were..."immigrants".
look in the fukn mirror fellas.

yah, mericans are now experiencing living with, beneath, immigrants who hate other immigrants
but still ignore over-population.

what. the. fuck. :?
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Well we know that Los Angeles is misbegotten. Even the name is stupid. El Pueblo de la Nuestra Senora la Reina de Porcincula... Spanish missionaries... the sainted Junipera Serra wrote about how whipping the Native Americans didn't seem to make them work any harder.

The Palisades Fire has transcended description, bigger than Rhode Island, and there are something like five others going too. Driest year on record, and the records go back to 1815. Total rainfall since last year at this time... 0.02 inches. We are watching a force of nature here.

It's gotten into the neighborhood that went away in the last Great Fire something like 50 years ago. 100 foot flames, entire hillsides just exploding. They had kept it more or less kept it out of Brentwood, but now it's there and it's phenomenal. You watch everything upwind of it going away, and you do not feel good. They lost it before, a couple of generations ago, and right now it strongly appears that they're going to lose it again. From here it's just a wall of smoke. Fire here, fire there, fire everywhere.

The size of this thing transcends our ability to grasp it. The area involved in the Palisades fire alone is incomprehensible, and there are four other fires in different places. One of them is just as big, maybe bigger, as it finishes ingesting Altadena and heads straight off into the national forest.

Here, every few hours or so they move the evacuation maps out another mile or so. It marches relentlessly eastward and northward. The smoke that was coming from way on the horizon now comes from right up the 405 from here. Evacuation started way way out by the ocean. Now the warning area goes all the way to UCLA. Presumably any hour now it'll be school's out time. After that comes Beverly Hills. They ought to start worrying. Cancel your dermatologist appointment.

Water. We hear a lot about water. The Palisades Fire started right next to a huge city water reservoir. Could have tapped it in a second and possibly even stopped the fire before it blew up and took out several tens of thousands of acres of what used to be a rather nice place to live. Could have, except that they had drained it for maintenance. Drained the water. Right before fire season in the driest year on record.

Press conferences are, uh, interesting. The city government of LA, which is dysfunctional on a good day, is having a political hissy fit. The fire chief sounded angry at one presser because her (yes, her) budget had been cut three times and she couldn't protect the city. The mayor flew back from Africa and called the fire chief on the carpet, and rumors of what was discussed fly thicker and faster than the glowing embers.

The police chief is pissed off at everybody. The city communications guy keeps pleading with the publice not to turn off the cell phone alerts, but no one's buying it. They're useless. Even the city council advised us to get a fire app that I forget the name of, even though it's now on my phone and way more useful than the ridiculous Emergency Alert System. They did manage to identify the fault that causes the phony alerts, and it sounds like something from science fiction. It's amazing, and more than a little disquieting. The failure is widely distributed, and it's caused by the fire taking out equipment, and they can't fix it.

All the questions from the press are about whether or not the LA city government will be able to stop the infighting and general dysfunction long enough to actually govern. Right now, it could go either way.

We are powerless to stop this. Nature wins this one, with an assist credited to bureaucratic stupidity.

One gets the idea that we're watching a city die.


https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents/2025/ ... sades-fire
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There's 3 people who my family knows who live near the fires in Los Angeles A family friend who's in his 90's & his wife their status is safe, a friend of my sister who went for another job his status is safe & my sister-in-law's cousin & her husband their status is unknown.
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