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gounion wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:24 pm They probably think that it was Sesame Street that did it.
That was 52 years ago the state of Mississippi did that.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 7:07 am That was 52 years ago the state of Mississippi did that.
You don't have a clue as to what we're talking about, do you?
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2021. NOT 50 years ago.

Leading conservative calls PBS ‘insane’ over Asian American muppet
https://thehill.com/changing-america/re ... ver-asian/

The president of the Conservative Political Action Conference called PBS “insane” and suggested it should be defunded.

“Sesame Street” announced Monday that its first Asian American muppet — Ji-Young, a 7-year-old Korean American girl — will be debuting on the show on Nov. 25.

Ji-Young’s character is part of the show’s racial justice initiative “Coming Together,” which is meant to teach children racial literacy and celebrate diversity.

The president of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) called PBS “insane” and suggested it should be defunded in response to “Sesame Street” introducing its first Asian American muppet.

“What race is Ernie is Bert? You are insane PBS and we should stop funding you,” CPAC President Matt Schlapp tweeted on Monday.

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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 7:05 am You should have added Republican conservative judge appointed by a conservative Republican and ...
You already tried this old gag.

Conservative Republicans are predators and are not owed anything.

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Segregation T-shirt Guy says:
Glennfs wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 7:07 am That was 52 years ago the state of Mississippi did that.
:?

The state of Mississippi had no business doing it at all, ever.

As already stated, 52 years ago the state of Mississippi was ruled by race totalitarians who were so petty they couldn't stand a hourlong children's television show on Mississippi airwaves because there were Black and Latino kids in it.

As already stated, a Mississippi lawmaker today called for the firing squad for anyone who supports trans rights.

Mississippi Republican Says Trans Rights Supporters Should Face a Firing Squad - Vice
On Thursday, Robert Foster suggested—apparently unprompted—that “those who want to groom our children and pretend men are women,” the latter a reference to supporters of transgender rights, should be “lined up against [a] wall before a firing squad and sent to an early judgment.”

Foster reiterated his call for the state-sanctioned murder of trans rights supporters in a message to the Mississippi Free Press. “The law should be changed so that anyone trying to sexually groom children and/or advocating to put men pretending to be women in locker rooms and bathrooms with young women should receive the death penalty by firing squad,” Foster told the website, declining an interview.

(Though “grooming” is a real term used to describe adults who build trust with children and their families in order to sexually abuse them, the American right has recently weaponized the term to portray supporters of LGBTQ+ youth as being driven by pedophilia.)

Foster, a former two-term state representative who received 18 percent of the Republican primary vote in 2019, was the principal author of a 2017 bill allowing Mississippi to execute death row prisoners by firing squad and gas chamber, according to the Mississippi Free Press.
Literally the same people in Mississippi today have a case in front of the SCOTUS to turn back the clock to 54 years ago.

You support this ruling and its consequences.

Conservative whites remain the most violent people in this country and in this entire hemisphere. You guys not only still get your vigilantes to attack places like Asian-American nail salons and my mother's childhood neighborhood, you also still run to the state to do your dirtywork like banning kid's shows, books, and actual people.
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The Pain and Pride of a Generation Changing How America Sees Gender - Time

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For trans and gender-expansive American adolescents, the past school year has been a paradox.

Never before have diverse gender identities and expressions been celebrated so openly and inclusively, with Generation Z leading new conversations that challenge traditional conceptions of the male-female gender binary. Young people are embracing a wide range of gender identities and coming out as transgender, nonbinary, or the pan-Indigenous umbrella term two-spirit, among other identities, at earlier ages. There’s been an “explosion of language” in how young people express their gender, as Jonah DeChants, a research scientist at LGBTQ suicide-prevention nonprofit the Trevor Project, put it to TIME. The Williams Institute at UCLA, which researches sexual-orientation and gender-identity law and policy, estimates that 150,000 Americans ages 13 to 17 are trans. A national survey released in May by the Trevor Project found that 67% of LGBTQ youth surveyed did not identify as cisgender. Visibility and representation have never been higher, and acceptance and understanding of gender diversity continue to climb.

But at the same time, these young people have experienced escalating attacks from statehouses around the country. Conservative lawmakers have turned the full force of America’s fiery “culture wars” on trans and gender-expansive youth, unleashing a torrent of anti-trans state-level legislation that limits whether they can play sports, use a bathroom aligned with their gender identity, study LGBTQ issues in school, or access medical care to affirm their gender. After Alabama Governor Kay Ivey, a Republican, signed several of such policies into law in April, she said she believes “very strongly” that “if the Good Lord made you a boy, you are a boy, and if he made you a girl, you are a girl.” LGBTQ advocates argue such laws seek to legislate trans and gender-expansive people out of existence. NBC News calculates roughly 240 anti-LGBTQ bills were introduced in 2022 alone, half of which targeted trans people specifically.

Childhoods—which can be difficult to navigate in the best of circumstances—have been disrupted for the kids being vilified and pathologized by lawmakers. Advocates say they’ve seen a spike in bullying in schools. Families in Texas, Alabama, and elsewhere are contemplating moving to states less hostile to their children’s rights. And with the midterm elections approaching, the political fervor is likely to intensify, as conservative politicians continue to leverage their attacks to rally their base.

The photographer Annie Flanagan spent a year documenting gender-expansive young people across the U.S. as they experience adolescence at a fraught political and cultural time. Flanagan’s subjects are supporting one another, thriving, and finding joy. They’re getting ready for summer vacation. They’re hanging out with their friends. They’re maneuvering the social dynamics of prom. They’re walking across the stage at high school graduation and getting their diplomas, looking to the future, and planning for better days. These moments send their own message. Says Zuri, 19, a trans woman in Alabama: “We aren’t going anywhere.” —With reporting by Annie Flanagan and Kara Milstein
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Cervantes Elected Vice Chair of the California Latino Legislative Caucus - Sabrina Cervantes, Assemblymember, District 60
Makes history as the first openly LGBTQ+ Female, and first Latina Millennial to serve as Vice Chair of the California Latino Legislative Caucus

Today, the California Latino Legislative Caucus elected Assemblymember Sabrina Cervantes (D-Riverside) as its Vice Chair, succeeding Assemblymember Robert Rivas (D-Salinas) in that position. She is the first openly LGBTQ+ female, the first Latina millennial, and the first Inland Empire representative elected as Vice Chair of the California Latino Legislative Caucus.

Cervantes is Chair of the Assembly Jobs Committee and the Assembly Select Committee on Veteran Employment and Education. She has fought to create well-paying jobs for working families; supported California’s small businesses as they recover from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic; and helped our veterans fulfill their dreams of higher education after they come home from serving in the Armed Forces.
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https://apnews.com/article/transgender- ... b57ae266f7

Trans swimmers banned from competing. So why do you think they did this.
Was because they are transphobic No
Was it because they hate trans people No
Was it because they are opposed to trans people having rights No
They did so because male to female athletes have an unfair advantage

That iscl my opinion what is yours
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My opinion is people should read this story.

‘I Am Lia’: The Trans Swimmer Dividing America Tells Her Story
Lia Thomas has dominated women’s college swimming this season—and has also become a lightning rod for controversy. Many—including some teammates—say she shouldn’t be able to compete against other women. In an exclusive interview with Sports Illustrated, Thomas explains why she has to.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/03/l ... aily-cover

My next opinion is to say why must we make Lia Thomas choose between being who she is, and the sport she loves (swimming)?

It reminds me of DADT. "It's OK to be trans, but keep it to yourself, and don't participate in public athletics, we call that 'acceptance'."
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ProfX wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:51 am My opinion is people should read this story.

‘I Am Lia’: The Trans Swimmer Dividing America Tells Her Story
Lia Thomas has dominated women’s college swimming this season—and has also become a lightning rod for controversy. Many—including some teammates—say she shouldn’t be able to compete against other women. In an exclusive interview with Sports Illustrated, Thomas explains why she has to.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/03/l ... aily-cover

My next opinion is to say why must we make Lia Thomas choose between being who she is, and the sport she loves (swimming)?

It reminds me of DADT. "It's OK to be trans, but keep it to yourself, and don't participate in public athletics, we call that 'acceptance'."
Because she genetically has un unfair advantage over the competition.
As a man she barely made the team. As a woman she is a world champion.
Again I know how much hard work and sacrifice athletes do in order to reach that level.
It is unfair for natural born female athletes to have to compete against people like Lia.

It is a Sophie's choice. Somebody is going to get cheated you choose to cheat the non trans I choose to cheat the latter.
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Interesting how you say it is "fair" to "cheat" the person who is a (gender/T) minority of their dreams. I don't know the causes of gender dysphoria. I do know stats say around 1.4% of the population identifies as trans.

Source:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/ ... ed-states/

I won't get into why or how; the answer is nobody knows yet, but then we also don't fully understand the etiology of sexual orientation, either.

Seems to be a pattern throughout history.

That 1.4% of the population is going to take over all athletics and push all cis female athletes out of all sports. Tell me another.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:56 am Because she genetically has un unfair advantage over the competition.
As a man she barely made the team. As a woman she is a world champion.
Again I know how much hard work and sacrifice athletes do in order to reach that level.
It is unfair for natural born female athletes to have to compete against people like Lia.

It is a Sophie's choice. Somebody is going to get cheated you choose to cheat the non trans I choose to cheat the latter.
It is a bad deal but life just can't always be fair to everyone
And if you’re going to be unfair to someone, it’s always easiest to pick on the LGBTQ+ folks, isn’t it?
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ProfX wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:03 am Interesting how you say it is "fair" to "cheat" the person who is a (gender/T) minority of their dreams. I don't know the causes of gender dysphoria. I do know stats say around 1.4% of the population identifies as trans.

Source:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/ ... ed-states/

I won't get into why or how; the answer is nobody knows yet, but then we also don't fully understand the etiology of sexual orientation, either.

Seems to be a pattern throughout history.

That 1.4% of the population is going to take over all athletics and push all cis female athletes out of all sports. Tell me another.
It is not fair to cheat anyone but when it comes to sports you have to choose which one
As for the 1.4pct just look at swimming and track results.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:03 am And if you’re going to be unfair to someone, it’s always easiest to pick on the LGBTQ+ folks, isn’t it?
In the case of competitive sports the LBGT athlete has an unfair advantage.
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Should trans men be banned from male athletics? You may wonder why I ask.

But then, if we have the "right" to forbid trans women from female athletics, does this not mean the same thing for trans men in male sports?

What About the Trans Athletes Who Compete — And Win — in Men’s Sports?
On the oft-overlooked case of America’s supposedly "disadvantaged" transmasculine athletes
https://www.insidehook.com/article/spor ... oys-sports

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There are probably hundreds of student-athletes like Ezra around the country, though we don’t hear about the lion’s share of them. Lost in the debates about biology and physiology and competitive advantages that surround trans kids in sports are the stories of the ones who are out there already — playing, winning, losing, thriving. And among the already small number of stories about trans athletes, the trans boys on the field are perhaps the most sparsely represented.

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When the coverage of trans kids who play sports focuses exclusively on the competitive aspect of the game, so much other context gets missed. Nearly 60% of kids participate in a sport at some point in their lives, and to deny trans kids the opportunity to do so is to deny them a formative experience that so many of their peers get to have. Competition is not the only reason kids play sports; other well-documented benefits include improved grade-point average, better focus, mental and physical health benefits, and a host of social and psychological rewards.

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“That’s why everyone is assuming that there is some kind of domination of trans athletes and sports, because those are the only times we ever hear about them,” says Alex Schmider, Associate Director of Transgender Representation at GLAAD and Executive Producer of Changing the Game, a documentary about high school trans athletes that features Yearwood, Miller and Beggs. “That means there’s like 90% of a narrative that isn’t being covered. That lack of media representation is really establishing a false framework about what trans inclusion really means.”

Trans athletes are most commonly discussed in terms of the potential they have for competitive advantage, a discussion that disportionately impacts trans girls — and, in particular, trans girls of color. This hyperfocus by the media on trans women and girls is an issue both in sports coverage and in mainstream coverage, too. “The problem with trans men is that they’ve largely been invisible in the media,” Nick Adams, Director of Transgender Representation for GLAAD, says in the Netflix documentary Disclosure. “Certainly being invisible is a privilege compared to the type of transphobia that has been written into trans women characters. But I work with a lot of trans boys, and when they look to the screen to see themselves reflected back, they see almost nothing.”

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One thing this attempt to ban trans kids from competing ignores is that most youth athletes — transgender or cisgender — will never compete at the most elite levels. They are just kids who want to play sports with their friends. That’s it. “It is complicated, but at the same time, it’s really not at all,” says Schmider. “Because when we’re talking about middle school, elementary school, even high school athletics, the basic premise should be that kids should be included in participating.”

By focusing so much on biology and physiology, the impact is the dehumanization of those kids. You take away their personhood by boiling them down to their body parts and hormones — things that especially don’t matter for prepubescent athletes. And while there is less concern about trans boys competing because they are not perceived as having an advantage in the way trans girls are, the lack of general understanding of transness still means that the cis people who are making or enforcing policies for trans youth only have these stereotypes to go off of.

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But the idea that trans boys cannot compete with cis boys on the field is demonstrably false. Mosier making Team USA means that he is literally one of the best in his category of all the men in the country. And Bailar, who competed against men while swimming for Harvard University, was ranked 443 out of all 2,983 Division I male swimmers — meaning he beat 85% of the men he swam against. “The narrative that we’re not capable of [being up there with cis men] at worst excludes trans boys from even stepping into sport,” he says. “And at best, makes them doubt themselves. No matter how you look at it, that narrative is toxic.”

When people ask Bailar how he plans to beat cis men, “It’s very simple,” he says. “The answer is, I did.”

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Right now, trans kids are being used as a political wedge, but most just want the opportunity to play sports in a way that affirms their gender and sense of self, just like any other kid. And they’re out there, though we don’t often hear from them. Butherus says that attending track meets in Kansas, Oklahoma and Nebraska, he regularly encountered other trans athletes competing on their school’s team. “You’re going to have to face trans athletes. They’re there. We’re here. We’re not going anywhere,” he says. “You can’t get rid of us.”

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If trans boys can beat cis boys in male athletics, ... a) maybe genetics isn't always destiny (see: GATTACA) and b) is this the next wave of bans?

But all in all, what bothers me about this discussion is that athletics is discussed only in terms of its competitive aspects, not its cooperative and developmental ones. Very typical of this society.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:27 am https://apnews.com/article/transgender- ... b57ae266f7

Trans swimmers banned from competing. So why do you think they did this.
Bandwagonism is contagious.

By the way, this is by no means the first time that you guys have exercised this level of misogyny at women athletes, either.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:06 am In the case of competitive sports the LBGT athlete has an unfair advantage.
This is why it's impossible to have even a BASIC conversation with you about this subject.

You're conflating sexuality with gender, again.

Get it right: you're anti-transgender and have uninformed objections to transgender women. "LGBT" is not the same as "transgender." Though I'm glad to see the admission that you are anti-"LGBT" as well.

Please get your bigotries squared away prior to posting.
... unfair ...
Since when did conservative whites suddenly develop this sensitivity around fairness?

Especially fairness to women and girls?

You're the guy who is convinced that an 18 year old guy having sex with a 15 year old is fair, so we already know your opinions about the rights of women and girls.

If and when the SCOTUS reinstates government-forced childbearing, you'll be celebrating and coming on here to gloat.
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ProfX wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:48 am Should trans men be banned from male athletics? You may wonder why I ask.

But then, if we have the "right" to forbid trans women from female athletics, does this not mean the same thing for trans men in male sports?
Yeah but trans men don't spark their voyeurism like trans women do, and trans men throw a major wrench in their male-supremacist gender ideology.

These TERFs and other bigots like Glennfs could really GAS about trans men or intersex people in sports.

They really just don't care, so they'd rather not deal with it.
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ProfX wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:48 am One thing this attempt to ban trans kids from competing ignores is that most youth athletes — transgender or cisgender — will never compete at the most elite levels. They are just kids who want to play sports with their friends. That’s it.
Well, the other thing is that these bans are not about children or protecting children or fairness to girls or women or any of that garbage.

The point is like the architect of this latest attack on LGBTQ rights says himself, to incite a moral panic.

viewtopic.php?p=28303#p28303

These people are doing this because they don't have any platform of their own ouside of their old stash of social hatreds.

Campaigning on the backs of some trans athletes here and there is the best they have.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:05 am It is not fair to cheat anyone but when it comes to sports you have to choose which one
As for the 1.4pct just look at swimming and track results.
You don't even know the difference between "LGBT" and "transgender," and think they are one in the same.

As I've said to you many, many times,

JFC what an ignoramus.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:56 am Because she genetically has un unfair advantage over the competition.
As a man she barely made the team. As a woman she is a world champion.
Again I know how much hard work and sacrifice athletes do in order to reach that level.
It is unfair for natural born female athletes to have to compete against people like Lia.

It is a Sophie's choice. Somebody is going to get cheated you choose to cheat the non trans I choose to cheat the latter.
It is a bad deal but life just can't always be fair to everyone
The opposition seems to be based on the belief that it's actually a male competing, just saying they're female. That's not how it works though. Nature is funny, things don't always turn out the way we think they should. During the formation of the fetus, the fetus has both sexes. At some point, one of the sexes is 'absorbed' and the fetus retains the genitalia of the sex they will be born with. Still, having those particular organs does not necessarily mean that's the sex they actually are because sex is more than just having a penis or vagina. In fact, no person is really FULLY male or female, it's more of a spectrum. So when a person is trans, they've recognized that they are one sex despite what external visuals tell us.

In upper levels of sports competition, athletes are tested for various things including hormone levels, and to compete they must, at least, meet the baseline for testosterone or estrogen levels.

Trans people are people who have come to the conclusion that that is their genuine sex, they're not pretending. They are not men competing as a women, or vis versa.

How a person is born does give athletes an advantage over others. It has always been this way. Unless one believes that an athlete's ability is entirely because of training.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:03 am And if you’re going to be unfair to someone, it’s always easiest to pick on the LGBTQ+ folks, isn’t it?
ProfX wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:03 am Interesting how you say it is "fair" to "cheat" the person who is a (gender/T) minority of their dreams. I don't know the causes of gender dysphoria. I do know stats say around 1.4% of the population identifies as trans.

Source:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/ ... ed-states/

I won't get into why or how; the answer is nobody knows yet, but then we also don't fully understand the etiology of sexual orientation, either.

Seems to be a pattern throughout history.

That 1.4% of the population is going to take over all athletics and push all cis female athletes out of all sports. Tell me another.
This guy has no interest in fairness to anyone; he's a conservative white male who actually believes whites are the ones who are discriminated against, now.

Their only interest is re-establishing their old cultural hatreds as the law of the land.

Imposing more legalized discriminataion against socially-vulnerable people who are actually, actively discriminated against is the quickest, dirtiset way to do so. It fits, because they're also lazy as hell.
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Toonces wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:21 am The opposition seems to be based on the belief that it's actually a male competing, just saying they're female.
Yes it's rooted in the ideology that transgender people and really all LGBTQs are predators. It's the same idea behind their bathroom bills, their current "groomer" and "trans stripper" rhetoric, and old Lavender Scare/Briggs Initiative/Anita Bryant political strategies designed to oppress sexual and gender nonconformists.

It's also pure projection that's reliant on lack of knowledge of these communities, or anyone who is a part of them.

That's not how it works though. Nature is funny, things don't always turn out the way we think they should. During the formation of the fetus, the fetus has both sexes. At some point, one of the sexes is 'absorbed' and the fetus retains the genitalia of the sex they will be born with. Still, having those particular organs does not necessarily mean that's the sex they actually are because sex is more than just having a penis or vagina. In fact, no person is really FULLY male or female, it's more of a spectrum. So when a person is trans, they've recognized that they are one sex despite what external visuals tell us.

In upper levels of sports competition, athletes are tested for various things including hormone levels, and to compete they must, at least, meet the baseline for testosterone or estrogen levels.

Trans people are people who have come to the conclusion that that is their genuine sex, they're not pretending. They are not men competing as a women, or vis versa.

How a person is born does give athletes an advantage over others. It has always been this way. Unless one believes that an athlete's ability is entirely because of training.
The only real reason people like Glennfs harp on sports is so they don't have to talk about what their party is actually doing to trans children and families with trans children & parents, and the rescinsion of what few newly-won LGBTQ rights exist.

This is supposed to be the LGBTQ rights thread and he's crapped all over it with his homophobic, transphobic b.s.; one could have predicted that. So I'll put the article on the latest conservative anti-LGBTQ legal assault I was going to link here in one of the other related threads. But this guy's worst problem is that even after 50+ years of LGBTQ rights he simply doesn't even know the ground-level basics about the topic.
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Re: The LGBTQ Rights Thread.

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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:56 am Because she genetically has un unfair advantage over the competition.
You're not her doctor. What would you know about her "genetics"?

All you've got is crass gender stereotypes from the 50s that you've yet to educate yourself out of, but are trying to apply to the 2020s.
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