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[JoeMemphis]

The only person who is claiming (actually lying) about the government being "...incapable of managing public education when they own their own system" is you.


What you are advocating for is diverting taxpayers dollars away from public schools so a small minority of people, mainly the wealthy, can send their children to a private school on the taxpayer's dime. Like I said earlier, you want to make schools a profit center for corporations.

What I advocating is giving parents and students in failing inner city schools an opportunity for a better education. If you are worried that the wealthy would profit, simply means test the benefit to make sure it only benefits low to middle income students.

[Number6]

There are many more people who have the ability to teach school then work on a skilled job at an aircraft plant

Actually, most people can be taught the skills to teach or to work at a skilled job at an aircraft plant. You're a truck driver and an average person can learn to be a truck driver. Just like a skilled worker at an aircraft plant, or even a teacher, being skilled comes with time and experience. The military proves most people can be taught a skill whether they're physical therapy technician, a contract specialist, a motor pool mechanic, an F-15 maintainer, etc...

[gounion]

What I advocating is giving parents and students in failing inner city schools an opportunity for a better education. If you are worried that the wealthy would profit, simply means test the benefit to make sure it only benefits low to middle income students.

Charters aren't providing a better education. Hell, some of them are charging the taxpayer for students that never show up.

But that's the government's fault, right?

[JoeMemphis]

In Joe's world, if a student isn't providing a corporation a profitable return then they need to send those students who are providing a higher profit to a private school. With private schools and private charter schools it's all about protecting the the shareholders and CEO's pay and not about the students.

In my view the highest priority is the education of the student. I don’t care so much about who delivers the service as long as it gets done. If the government can’t do it in a public school then they should make sure it gets done some other way. That is if the student is the highest priority. Sounds to me like you are more interested in maintaining and protecting a bureaucracy even when it fails to achieve it’s stated objective.

[Number6]

What I advocating is giving parents and students in failing inner city schools an opportunity for a better education. If you are worried that the wealthy would profit, simply means test the benefit to make sure it only benefits low to middle income students.

What you're advocating is abandoning failing inner city schools rather than improving them. I guess the hard work needed to improve the schools isn't as profitable than sending kids to a private school.

[gounion]

Actually, most people can be taught the skills to teach or to work at a skilled job at an aircraft plant. You're a truck driver and an average person can learn to be a truck driver. Just like a skilled worker at an aircraft plant, or even a teacher, being skilled comes with time and experience. The military proves most people can be taught a skill whether they're physical therapy technician, a contract specialist, a motor pool mechanic, an F-15 maintainer, etc...

Oh, and Glenn is wrong on this. I was talking about the average aircraft worker, which is aircraft assemblers, which is a semi-skilled job. They usually take a two-week course the company provides, then they're on the job.

There are few high-skilled jobs left at the plants these days. Most of the parts are farmed out, often to other countries.

[gounion]

What you're advocating is abandoning failing inner city schools rather than improving them. I guess the hard work needed to improve the schools isn't as profitable than sending kids to a private school.

Joe doesn't care if kids are educated. It's all about getting rid of public schools and universal education.

[Glennfs]

Actually, most people can be taught the skills to teach or to work at a skilled job at an aircraft plant. You're a truck driver and an average person can learn to be a truck driver. Just like a skilled worker at an aircraft plant, or even a teacher, being skilled comes with time and experience. The military proves most people can be taught a skill whether they're physical therapy technician, a contract specialist, a motor pool mechanic, an F-15 maintainer, etc...

I am going to diagree. I am assuming you are a guy that many things come easy to and believe that to be true of most people. Which is why Ted Williams was a terrible coach and manager. He could never understand how people couldnt see the ball the way he did.

[JoeMemphis]

What you're advocating is abandoning failing inner city schools rather than improving them. I guess the hard work needed to improve the schools isn't as profitable than sending kids to a private school.

The government has been promising for decades to improve failing inner city schools. If the priority is the education of the student, that should come first. Not last. You are more worried about maintaining a failed system than you are about educating the student. There is no equality or equity without education.

[Glennfs]

Teachers should be paid like Doctors and Lawyers.

But definitely better than truck drivers.

So you are saying that most school teachers could have become doctors or lawyers had they chose.

[gounion]

The government has been promising for decades to improve failing inner city schools. If the priority is the education of the student, that should come first. Not last. You are more worried about maintaining a failed system than you are about educating the student. There is no equality or equity without education.

The Edison schools were abject failures back in the 90's.

And the Charter Schools are proving to be the same.

[gounion]

So you are saying that most school teachers could have become doctors or lawyers had they chose.

No. What I'm saying is that teachers should be very well-paid, and only the best and the brightest should be teachers. "Well, I wanted to be an engineering teacher, but I couldn't make the grade, so I'm just an engineer".

[Number6]

The government has been promising for decades to improve failing inner city schools. If the priority is the education of the student, that should come first. Not last. You are more worried about maintaining a failed system than you are about educating the student. There is no equality or equity without education.

Which government? Federal, state, county, city/town? Please be specific and provide credible links to back your statement up.

I want to improve public schools and that means using taxpayer's dollars for public schools and not to line the pockets of corporate school CEOs and stockholders. Your view is the Ferengi view of education.

[gounion]

Which government? Federal, state, county, city/town? Please be specific and provide credible links to back your statement up.

I want to improve public schools and that means using taxpayer's dollars for public schools and not to line the pockets of corporate school CEOs and stockholders. Your view is the Ferengi view of education.

If the corporation running schools is for-profit, the education of the student is not the first priority. Making as much money as possible is. That's always the corporation's first goal, above all others.

So, Joe, why do you want corporations to run our schools?

Yeah, I see you're trying to ignore me. That's because you don't have the ability to answer my questions. But good for you, a man's got to know his limitations, and you sure know yours.

[JoeMemphis]

Which government? Federal, state, county, city/town? Please be specific and provide credible links to back your statement up.

I want to improve public schools and that means using taxpayer's dollars for public schools and not to line the pockets of corporate school CEOs and stockholders. Your view is the Ferengi view of education.

Depends on the district now doesn’t it. I can tell you from personal experience in Memphis I’ve been hearing from superintendent after superintendent for 30 years how they were going to solve the inner city school problem in Memphis. In the meantime students get shortchanged while public school administrators search for answers.

[Glennfs]

Which government? Federal, state, county, city/town? Please be specific and provide credible links to back your statement up.

I want to improve public schools and that means using taxpayer's dollars for public schools and not to line the pockets of corporate school CEOs and stockholders. Your view is the Ferengi view of education.

12500 per student not enough in places like Chicago it is closer to 30k.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... g-by-state

[gounion]

Depends on the district now doesn’t it. I can tell you from personal experience in Memphis I’ve been hearing from superintendent after superintendent for 30 years how they were going to solve the inner city school problem in Memphis. In the meantime students get shortchanged while public school administrators search for answers.

Here's what happened in inner-city schools: White flight because racist parents didn't want their kids going to school with black kids, then years of underfunding and rot because those in charge didn't give a shit about black inner-city kids.

[Motor City]

If the corporation running schools is for-profit, the education of the student is not the first priority. Making as much money as possible is. That's always the corporation's first goal, above all others.

So, Joe, why do you want corporations to run our schools?

Yeah, I see you're trying to ignore me. That's because you don't have the ability to answer my questions. But good for you, a man's got to know his limitations, and you sure know yours.

The point isnt to have corporations run the schools rather its to undo the public schools altogether.

[Glennfs]

Here's what happened in inner-city schools: White flight because racist parents didn't want their kids going to school with black kids, then years of underfunding and rot because those in charge didn't give a shit about black inner-city kids.

Way to repeat liberal talking points. When in fact in most places far more is spent per student on inner city schools then rural schools. For example Chicago spends about 30k per student.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/aver ... ional-data

[gounion]

Way to repeat liberal talking points. When in fact in most places far more is spent per student on inner city schools then rural schools. For example Chicago spends about 30k per student.

I'm talking actual history.

[Glennfs]

I'm talking actual history.

I am talking today not 30 to 50 years ago.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/aver ... ional-data

[Glennfs]

The Edison schools were abject failures back in the 90's.

And the Charter Schools are proving to be the same.

Thankfully Mrs Obama was able to go to a magnet school.

[gounion]

I am talking today not 30 to 50 years ago.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/aver ... ional-data

But the problems started a long time ago. On purpose.

Now the schools are playing catch-up from all the problems that have festered.

And of course, the right just wants to shut it all down and just pay for the rich kid's schools.

How will putting for-profit corporations in charge fix things?

[gounion]

Thankfully Mrs Obama was able to go to a magnet school.

You know that was a public school, right?

[Number6]

I am going to diagree. I am assuming you are a guy that many things come easy to and believe that to be true of most people. Which is why Ted Williams was a terrible coach and manager. He could never understand how people couldnt see the ball the way he did.

In the first sentence you disagreed with me but then in the second sentence you turned around and agreed with me. So, which is it?

Most things in life come somewhat easy to people but those are the general things society teaches us. Specific skills for non-college required workers are usually taught to workers through trade schools or on-the-job training. More specific jobs that require more education the basics are learned in college and the individual's skills are developed in the workplace. For example, a doctor goes through an internship under the mentor-ship of an experienced doctor just as an accountant striving to become a CPA will work under a CPA and a law school graduate will be led and developed by an experienced lawyer in their firm.