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ProfX wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:20 pm I'm not disputing that demographic statistics have played a role, I don't understand the reluctance to discuss COVID policies, or lack thereof.
What policy is the problem? What should the policy be. In august Florida had 960 Covid deaths. Should we shut down the economy? Mask mandates? What do you propose.

That cdc website is full of interesting data. And the article you cited is wrong.

August California- 826, Florida - 960
July. California-1481, Florida-1420
June California-907, Florida -999

Under age 50 deaths for those months were 14, 13, and 27. Should everyone shelter in place.

The two states with the largest elderly population had the highest number of Deaths from a virus where 94% of the deaths are above 50. Go figure.

These numbers don’t really call for any special policies.
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:39 pm What policy is the problem?
De Santis' mendacity and malfeasance, for the most part.

Joseph Ladapo hiring violated UF procedures, faculty report says
Some faculty felt Ladapo, Florida’s surgeon general, was the subject of “preferential treatment on the basis of his political opinions.”
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-p ... port-says/

Florida surgeon general defends support of fringe group that touted false COVID ‘cure’
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... ovid-cure/

Ladapo faced scrutiny from Democrats during his second confirmation hearing over his support of America’s Frontline Doctors, which held a controversial news conference in July 2020 in front of the U.S. Supreme Court building.

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Ladapo stood with other doctors in white coats at the event, which promoted zinc and the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 cure and blasted lockdowns and other COVID-19 restrictions.

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Simone Gold, the founder of America’s Frontline Doctors, was one of the people charged with breaking into the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. Stella Immanuel, another group member, has a history of making outlandish medical claims, including that genealogical problems are caused by sex with demons in dreams.

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This crank should not be Surgeon General, nor holding a UF faculty position.
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Without traitor opening his stupid mouth, board cons and others would never have questioned the CDC or Fauci....
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LSU hit with NCAA penalties for violating recruiting rules during pandemic

LSU was hit with NCAA penalties on Thursday, but they weren’t related to the scandal involving former men's basketball head coach Will Wade.

Instead, the case surrounds former football assistant coach James Cregg, who was fired in June 2021. Cregg, who served as the Tigers’ offensive line coach, met with a recruit during the NCAA-mandated dead period during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to the NCAA.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lsu-hit-with-n ... 47035.html
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Anyone needing a COVID-19 shot or booster and you don't know where to get one, here's a website that you can enter your ZIP Code and it will show you the locations you can get the vaccine.

https://www.vaccines.gov/
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I am sitting in the medical office waiting my fifteen minutes. Just got my shot of the new Pfizer COVID vax, plus the flu vax.

My fifth COVID shot.
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Got my 5th vaccine, the bivalent vaccine, two weeks ago and today got my flu shot
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“ COVID-19 Origins: Investigating a “Complex and Grave Situation” Inside a Wuhan Lab
The Wuhan Institute of Virology, the cutting-edge biotech facility at the center of swirling suspicions about the pandemic’s onset, was far more troubled than previously known, explosive documents unearthed by a Senate research team reveal. Following the trail of evidence, Vanity Fair and ProPublica provide the clearest picture yet of a laboratory institute in crisis.
BY KATHERINE EBAN AND JEFF KAO
OCTOBER 28, 2022”


“ A bitter battle has ensued between a group of virologists who assert their research points to a market origin and an alternate group of academics and online sleuths who argue there’s been an attempted cover-up of a more likely lab origin. Four months ago, the World Health Organization’s Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens revised an earlier conclusion and said that both scenarios remain on the table, due to insufficient evidence, and require further investigation.”

From Vanity Fair and Pro Publica

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10 ... -wuhan-lab

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Bludogdem wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:07 pm lab origin
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Wuhan market was epicentre of pandemic’s start, studies suggest
Report authors say that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 jumped to people from animals sold at the market on two occasions in late 2019
— but some scientists want more definitive evidence.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00584-8

Scientists have released three studies that reveal intriguing new clues about how the COVID-19 pandemic started. Two of the reports trace the outbreak back to a massive market that sold live animals, among other goods, in Wuhan, China1,2, and a third suggests that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 spilled over from animals — possibly those sold at the market — to humans at least twice in November or December 2019(3). Posted on 25 and 26 February, all three are preprints, and so have not been published in a peer-reviewed journal.

These analyses add weight to original suspicions that the pandemic began at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, which many of the people who were infected earliest with SARS-CoV-2 had visited. The preprints contain genetic analyses of coronavirus samples collected from the market and from people infected in December 2019 and January 2020, as well as geolocation analyses connecting many of the samples to a section of the market where live animals were sold. Taken together, these lines of evidence point towards the market as the source of the outbreak — a situation akin to that seen in the epidemic of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2002–04, for which animal markets were found to be ground zero — says Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, and an author on two of the reports. “This is extremely strong evidence,” he says.

However, none of the studies contains definitive evidence about what type of animal might have harboured the virus before it spread to humans. Andersen speculates that the culprits could be raccoon dogs, squat dog-like mammals used for food and their fur in China. One of the studies he co-authored2 suggests that raccoon dogs were sold in a section of the market where several positive samples were collected. And reports4 show that the animals can harbour other types of coronavirus.

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But since then, other evidence has come to light that supports a zoonotic origin story similar to that of HIV, Zika virus, Ebola virus and multiple influenza viruses, he says. “When you look at all of the evidence, it is clear that this started at the market.” Separate lines of analysis point to it, he says, and it’s extremely improbable that two distinct lineages of SARS-CoV-2 could have been derived from a laboratory and then coincidentally ended up at the market.

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There is a research lab near the market because, as Sam said, that's where you would put a research lab. BTW, the recent Senate report implicating the lab was not a bipartisan report from the full committee -- it was Republican only and written by minority party staff.

It is possible the "troubled" Wuhan lab had one accident. But two? Very, very unlikely.

Geolocation points to stalls in the market as the origin point -- not the lab (which was nearby but not in the market itself and we don't see cases starting at its location).

It took around 50 years to find the intermediate animal for HIV (mutated from SIV)... chimps and macaques in Central Africa. We may not have found it yet for COVID, but there are strong candidates - pangolins, minks, horseshoe bats, raccoon dogs ... all sold at that market.

I do agree if it would be helpful if the Chinese government was more cooperative with WHO research teams. Personally, I would recommend upgrading the biosafety protocols at the lab, AND improving regulations and controls on the wet market, not that, unfortunately, the Chinese government is likely to do either. :|

One hypothesis CAN be ruled out: there is zero evidence the virus is bio-engineered or manmade. The Senate report, at least, doesn't accuse Tony Fauci.... :roll:
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“Four months ago, the World Health Organization’s Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens revised an earlier conclusion and said that both scenarios remain on the table, due to insufficient evidence, and require further investigation.”


Fortunately WHO Isn’t sold on zoonotic.

When the choice is between a marketplace and a nearby junior varsity virus lab it does raise serious questions.
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Pfizer booster shot ups protection four-fold for omicron strain over additional shot of the original vaccine. In people 55 and over, that increased to 13 times the protection of an additional original vaccine.
Pfizer’s updated COVID-19 booster significantly revved up adults’ virus-fighting antibodies, the company said Friday, releasing early findings from a rigorous study of the new shots.

Booster doses tweaked to target the most common omicron strain rolled out in early September, and the Food and Drug Administration said the latest data should spur more Americans to get one — especially before another expected wave of cases as people travel for Thanksgiving.

Pfizer said people 55 and older who got the omicron-targeting booster had four-fold higher antibody levels than those given an extra dose of the original vaccine.

A hint: A month after receiving the new booster, antibody levels in people 55 and older had jumped 13 times higher than before the extra dose. Younger adults saw a 9.5-fold jump, Pfizer and its partner BioNTech said. It had been about 11 months since the study participants’ last vaccination.
https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-updat ... 1aa4701992
I got my Pfizer booster three weeks ago so this report is reassuring.
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Gov. Kate Brown tests positive for COVID-19

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown tweeted Saturday that she tested positive for COVID-19.

Brown said her and her husband, Dan Little, had just returned from Vietnam when they got the positive test results. She said they were recovering at home.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2022/11 ... id-19.html
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A new breakthrough on a COVID-19 vaccine could be effective against all variants of COVID including new mutant strains.
Now researchers at the National Institutes of Health in Maryland think they’ve found a new approach to vaccine design that could lead them to a long-lasting jab. As a bonus, it also might work on other coronaviruses, not just the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19.

The NIH team reported its findings in a peer-reviewed study that appeared in the journal Cell Host & Microbe earlier this month.

The key to the NIH’s potential vaccine design is a part of the virus called the “spine helix.” It’s a coil-shaped structure inside the spike protein, the part of the virus that helps it grab onto and infect our cells.

Lots of current vaccines target the spike protein. But none of them specifically target the spine helix. And yet, there are good reasons to focus on that part of the pathogen. Whereas many regions of the spike protein tend to change a lot as the virus mutates, the spine helix doesn’t.

That gives scientists “hope that an antibody targeting this region will be more durable and broadly effective,” Joshua Tan, the lead scientist on the NIH team, told The Daily Beast.

Vaccines that target and “bind,” say, the receptor-binding domain region of the spike protein might lose effectiveness if the virus evolves within that region. The great thing about the spine helix, from an immunological standpoint, is that it doesn’t mutate. At least, it hasn’t mutated yet, three years into the COVID pandemic.

So a vaccine that binds the spine helix in SARS-CoV-2 should hold up for a long time. And it should also work on all the other coronaviruses that also include the spine helix—and there are dozens of them, including several such as SARS-CoV-1 and MERS that have already made the leap from animal populations and caused outbreaks in people.
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Florida COVID Data Critic Rebekah Jones Reaches Agreement on Felony Charge
Rebekah Jones signed an agreement with prosecutors admitting guilt to a charge of illegally accessing the state’s computer system and requiring her to pay $20,000 to cover the investigation's costs, perform 150 hours of community service and see a mental health counselor monthly
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/flo ... e/2929199/

A fired Florida health department data manager charged with illegally accessing state computers after she publicly accused officials of wanting to make COVID-19 statistics look less dire has reached an agreement with prosecutors that should result in the case being dropped.

Rebekah Jones, who helped design the state's coronavirus website, signed an agreement with prosecutors admitting guilt to a charge of illegally accessing the state’s computer system and requiring her to pay $20,000 to cover the investigation's costs, perform 150 hours of community service and see a mental health counselor monthly. If she completes those requirements, the charge will be dropped within two years. The agreement was filed late last week at Tallahassee's circuit court.

Jones, who lost a bid for Congress last month, was charged in January 2021 with one count of offenses against users of computers, computer systems, computer networks and electronic devices. Investigators say that in late 2020, months after she was fired, Jones illegally accessed a state emergency-alert messaging system known as ReadyOp.

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ProfX wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:27 pm Florida COVID Data Critic Rebekah Jones Reaches Agreement on Felony Charge
Rebekah Jones signed an agreement with prosecutors admitting guilt to a charge of illegally accessing the state’s computer system and requiring her to pay $20,000 to cover the investigation's costs, perform 150 hours of community service and see a mental health counselor monthly
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/flo ... e/2929199/

A fired Florida health department data manager charged with illegally accessing state computers after she publicly accused officials of wanting to make COVID-19 statistics look less dire has reached an agreement with prosecutors that should result in the case being dropped.

Rebekah Jones, who helped design the state's coronavirus website, signed an agreement with prosecutors admitting guilt to a charge of illegally accessing the state’s computer system and requiring her to pay $20,000 to cover the investigation's costs, perform 150 hours of community service and see a mental health counselor monthly. If she completes those requirements, the charge will be dropped within two years. The agreement was filed late last week at Tallahassee's circuit court.

Jones, who lost a bid for Congress last month, was charged in January 2021 with one count of offenses against users of computers, computer systems, computer networks and electronic devices. Investigators say that in late 2020, months after she was fired, Jones illegally accessed a state emergency-alert messaging system known as ReadyOp.

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Saw this on FB , she was accessing it because authorities were fucking with the stats? Was she trying to fix them to the correct info?
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COVID hospitalizations at least 3 times higher among seniors

COVID-19 hospitalizations among seniors are at least three times higher than any other age group, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

As of Dec. 7, new hospital admissions per 100,000 for those aged 70 and older sits at 6.93 per 100,000.

https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/covid-hos ... 00551.html
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I can't keep track any more. Local Nooz breathlessly reports every twitch in the statistics. It's up. It's down. We're in a surge. We're not. Right now it's fashionable for the papers to blast huge scary headlines about a "tripledemic." One day it's going to kill us all. Next day, naah, it's gotten better. Rinse, repeat.

This combines with the other emergencies that we're supposedly in. LA is officially in a state of emergency for homelessness, the long-running one for covid, and yesterday another one for the drought. Formal declarations and public speeches and cameras and lights and everything. So when they note that covid never stopped being an emergency, it gets lost in the din.

You can see why the public is fatigued and simply screening out the whole narrative, even when it's right. This, of course makes the problem worse, because appropriate responses get lost.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:29 am I can't keep track any more. Local Nooz breathlessly reports every twitch in the statistics. It's up. It's down. We're in a surge. We're not. Right now it's fashionable for the papers to blast huge scary headlines about a "tripledemic." One day it's going to kill us all. Next day, naah, it's gotten better. Rinse, repeat.

This combines with the other emergencies that we're supposedly in. LA is officially in a state of emergency for homelessness, the long-running one for covid, and yesterday another one for the drought. Formal declarations and public speeches and cameras and lights and everything. So when they note that covid never stopped being an emergency, it gets lost in the din.

You can see why the public is fatigued and simply screening out the whole narrative, even when it's right. This, of course makes the problem worse, because appropriate responses get lost.
There's an increase in the number of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations but nothing like it was in the summer of 2021. Part of the problem with the new increases is the RSV virus and Flu cases are happening as well putting pressure on the healthcare system. Combine this with staffing shortages at hospitals and you have a problem.
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The Biden administration is restarting the free, at-home COVID-19 tests and each household is eligible for four tests. You can order them using this link: https://www.covid.gov/tests.

For those who still have COVID-19 tests at home, you can check to see if the expiration date of the tests have been extended at this link: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/cor ... tests#list
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Court denies GOP states' effort to continue Title 42 border expulsions pending appeal

A federal appeals court on Friday denied an effort by several Republican-led states to continue a Trump-era public health order to expel migrants immediately at the border.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan had previously set a Dec. 21 deadline to end the protocols. The decision from the appeals court in Washington, D.C., keeps that deadline for now, but the states are expected to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/court-d ... d=95419608
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Covid seems to be down in most countries right now, so this came as something of a surprise:

https://alexander.n.se/en/covid-19-stop ... e-morning/
Important update!

Covid-19 is currently, again, spreading around the world, also to Sweden and to Grimeton.
Due to Covid-19 infection in the Alexander team, SAQ will not be able to air on Christmas Eve morning, Dec 24th 2022. No one is seriousely ill, only mild symptoms, however we can not put anyone in the team at risk.
Could be a freaky thing though I note that covid cases in Sweden are indeed up percentagewise but still pretty low.

SAQ by the way is a restored maritime safety station, 1920s style, using a mechanical RF alternator for a transmitter. It's a huge single-phase AC generator that makes 17.2 kHz RF instead of the usual 50 or 60 Hz current. It'll do 200 kW, to an antenna that goes on for miles, but they typically run it closer to "only" 80 kW. 200 kW at that frequency would be enough to disturb the Earth's electric field, allowing reception on a computer sound card and software to shift the high pitch of the signal down into the normal audible range. That would likely work on most of the planet's surface. Oh, and you'd have to decode the Morse in your wetware or one of many computer programs.

At "only" 80 kW it's better to find an Internet connected radio that will go that low. I know of several.

It's interesting to some people that frequencies this low are actually still used to send messages to submarines while they are still under water. Salt water shorts out the electric field in radio waves and absorbs them, but when the wavelength is measured in the hundreds of miles, there's still enough variation to copy Morse code or slow digital transmissions. The US has a bunch of these stations. Photos are all over the net. They use antennas the size of small towns.

There are videos of the SAQ equipment. One guy can't turn the thing on and send the message. You need a building full of people to operate it all. Radio was not for the faint hearted in the 1920s, and people who didn't like electricity needed not apply.

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The new Covid-19 variant, XBB.1.5, is so contagious that those who have been infected with Covid-19 before are likely to catch it again as well as those who have never had Covid-19.
The newest COVID-19 variant is so contagious that even people who've avoided it so far are getting infected and the 80% of Americans who've already been infected are likely to catch it again, experts say. 

Essentially, everyone in the country is at risk for infection now, even if they're super careful, up to date on vaccines or have caught it before, said Paula Cannon, a virologist at the University of Southern California.  

The latest variant, called XBB.1.5, grew exponentially over the month of December, from about 1% of cases nationwide to 40% as of Dec. 31, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The variant is likely behind the vast majority of cases in New York and New England. 

Its growth is probably due to XBB.1.5's characteristics – it appears to bind even more tightly to receptors in the human body than its predecessors – as well as human behavior, such as traveling and not masking.
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Variants are a form of natural selection. The most contagious ones always win. Presumably an RNA virus like covid can make hundreds of mutations pretty much monthly, but only the strong survive. The effect, as any scientist can tell you, is to make viruses stronger during pandemics, producing superstrains that can kill millions.

Three issues remain:

1. A new variant that is 40% of existing cases is not that big a deal when cases are still a fraction of what they were last year. This could, of course, change, but it's going to be hard to equal last winter's awesome peak, which went literally off the charts for about a month.

2. Doctors seem divided on masking. Consensus still seems to be that it works, and the reason they don't seem to make a difference is because something like 90 per cent of the population simply got tired of them. I could provide a link to a much less alarmist news story on the new Omicron variant, but I won't because it suggests masks are still a solution. No one will bother to mask up, even though it's very likely guaranteed to prevent the catastrophe theorized in the USA Today story. The public moved on.

3. The NYT ran a story on people who have lost their social lives because they still want to mask up for whatever reason. They have actually lost access to social circles, clubs, 12-step programs, etc that have gone the other way and discouraged masks because they make people nervous. Once again, we see that the human capacity for denial is asymptotic at infinity.
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Biden intends to end Covid-19 and public health emergencies on May 11

(CNN) — President Joe Biden intends to end the Covid-19 national and public health emergencies on May 11, the White House said Monday.

The White House, in a statement of administration policy announcing opposition to two Republican measures to end the emergencies, said the national emergency and public health emergency authorities declared in response to the pandemic would each be extended one final time to May 11.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/politics ... mergencies
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