Mass Shootings/Gun Control Reform Thread

[JoeMemphis]

Limit access to assault rifles and high capacity ammo clips by banning the sale of them. Then people cant buy them easily and 3 days or a week later use them for a mass shooting.

Just because you pass a law at the federal level won’t make it so. The Feds can’t enforce such a law without help from state and local governments. It has become fashionable of late for state and local governments to ignore without consequence federal laws with which they don’t agree. How many sanctuary cities and states do we have for various issues. The cat is already out of the bag.

Lastly, somebody mentally and emotionally capable of committing such crimes will find a weapon or a way to do whatever it takes to get their name in the papers. This is more than a weapons issue. We can focus on the weapon but it won’t stop the violence.

[gounion]

Just because you pass a law at the federal level won’t make it so. The Feds can’t enforce such a law without help from state and local governments. It has become fashionable of late for state and local governments to ignore without consequence federal laws with which they don’t agree. How many sanctuary cities and states do we have for various issues. The cat is already out of the bag.

Lastly, somebody mentally and emotionally capable of committing such crimes will find a weapon or a way to do whatever it takes to get their name in the papers. This is more than a weapons issue. We can focus on the weapon but it won’t stop the violence.

Then why isn't everyone using machine guns and bazookas? Those are illegal. Why haven't they found a way to get those?

[Glennfs]

Then why isn't everyone using machine guns and bazookas? Those are illegal. Why haven't they found a way to get those?

Typical non response or in other words you got nothing

[gounion]

Typical non response or in other words you got nothing

You can't answer the question either. If it doesn't matter if you ban a weapon, the crooks will get it anyway, why aren't they all brandishing full-auto weapons?

[Libertas]

New Washington gun law already faces federal court challenge

OLYMPIA Wash. (AP) — Washington Gov. Jay Inslee signed a trio of bills meant to address gun violence Tuesday, one banning the sale of certain semi-automatic rifles, one imposing a 10-day waiting period on firearms purchases, and one clearing the way for lawsuits against gun makers or sellers in certain cases.

A crowd of gun-control activists and Democratic lawmakers broke into cheers as Inslee signed the measures, which he said would not solve all gun violence but would save lives.

https://www.aol.com/news/gov-inslee-sig ... 29516.html

NO gun laws ANYWHERE will be allowed from now on, NONE, that is the point of taking over the SC with fascists.

Do people understand how the legal system works? I dont think so.

[ZoWie]

Someone in this thread said you can't own a bazooka. Don't know about that........

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65406559

Jack Teixeira: Suspected leaker made threats and researched shootings, US says

A US airman suspected of leaking dozens of classified files had a history of making violent threats and researched mass shootings, prosecutors allege.

Jack Teixeira wrote on social media that he wanted to kill a "ton of people" as a way of "culling the weak minded", according to a court filing.

The 18-page document also claimed the 21-year-old kept a bazooka and other weapons close to his bed.

[gounion]

Someone in this thread said you can't own a bazooka. Don't know about that........

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65406559

It was me. And that NOBODY has them isn't quite true, but as a matter of practicality, it is. The fact that they're closely controlled, and there are severe penalties for being caught with them without a license, means they are NOT prevalent.

And as a toolmaker and Master Machinist (not bragging, I have all the certifications, but I've not touched a tap in nearly 25 years, so they're basically worthless to me know, I can't do shit) I know it's not difficult at all for a Machinist with the proper equipment to make an Auto Sear.

Back in the nineties, my best friend provided props and costumes for movies, and had a Firearms license too, and owned several machine guns, which he rented out for use in movies. I went out with him once or twice on a range, and shot them. He rarely did it, since he said it was like shooting dollar bills rather than bullets. I'm not scared of guns, but I'm ambivalent about them. I've never owned them.

But I know that you can get roasted over hot coals over machine guns, if you're a dealer, or if you're caught with an unlicensed one. Dealers have to keep close books on every one they own, and the ATF watches those books close.

Now, I'm sure than paramilitary groups like the Boogaloo Boys and others have probably tried to and have some full auto weapons, but they're holding them back for the Zombie Apocalypse.

But the fact is, common criminals aren't going to have them. So the argument that if "we outlawed guns, only outlaws will have them" is pure bullshit.

[Motor City]

Just because you pass a law at the federal level won’t make it so. The Feds can’t enforce such a law without help from state and local governments. It has become fashionable of late for state and local governments to ignore without consequence federal laws with which they don’t agree. How many sanctuary cities and states do we have for various issues. The cat is already out of the bag.

Lastly, somebody mentally and emotionally capable of committing such crimes will find a weapon or a way to do whatever it takes to get their name in the papers. This is more than a weapons issue. We can focus on the weapon but it won’t stop the violence.

Just put the cat back in the bag where it belongs and protects kids and people. Some people in positions of public trust and authority are suffering great delusions about protecting peoples rights to freely and legally and easily buy mass shooter supplies, those public officials and authorities don't seem to be aware of all the dead and mutilated bodies and terrorized people that are accumulating within their continued inaction. Or maybe they dont care or maybe they have some type of business or political interest in it continuing on, whatever the case, need to act on behalf of the public not cater to a delusional fringe.

[JoeMemphis]

Just put the cat back in the bag where it belongs and protects kids and people. Some people in positions of public trust and authority are suffering great delusions about protecting peoples rights to freely and legally and easily buy mass shooter supplies, those public officials and authorities don't seem to be aware of all the dead and mutilated bodies and terrorized people that are accumulating within their continued inaction. Or maybe they dont care or maybe they have some type of business or political interest in it continuing on, whatever the case, need to act on behalf of the public not cater to a delusional fringe.

Or maybe they don’t believe the only reason for the violence is the weapon. And it isn’t. Maybe they don’t believe you can enforce a law or a ban any better than we can protect our borders or the war on drugs. Maybe they aren’t willing to give up a means for self protection in an era where many are demonizing law enforcement and where declining employment in LE undermines confidence the LE can respond on a timely basis. Maybe they are unwilling to give up a means of self protection in an era where prosecutors release repeat offender to continue to victimize innocent people.

You can wish. You can proclaim. You can protest all you want. But this is not a weapon problem. It’s a law enforcement problem. It’s a cultural problem. Banning weapons will change little to solve those problems and the violence will continue.

[gounion]

Or maybe they don’t believe the only reason for the violence is the weapon. And it isn’t. Maybe they don’t believe you can enforce a law or a ban any better than we can protect our borders or the war on drugs. Maybe they aren’t willing to give up a means for self protection in an era where many are demonizing law enforcement and where declining employment in LE undermines confidence the LE can respond on a timely basis. Maybe they are unwilling to give up a means of self protection in an era where prosecutors release repeat offender to continue to victimize innocent people.

You can wish. You can proclaim. You can protest all you want. But this is not a weapon problem. It’s a law enforcement problem. It’s a cultural problem. Banning weapons will change little to solve those problems and the violence will continue.

Prove it. Explain why 4,375 children are dead from shootings, with less than a hundred in all of Canada. We have more dead from shootings than the rest of the world combined.

And it’s the COP’S fault that 4,375 children are dead? Really?

[Motor City]

Or maybe they don’t believe the only reason for the violence is the weapon. And it isn’t. Maybe they don’t believe you can enforce a law or a ban any better than we can protect our borders or the war on drugs. Maybe they aren’t willing to give up a means for self protection in an era where many are demonizing law enforcement and where declining employment in LE undermines confidence the LE can respond on a timely basis. Maybe they are unwilling to give up a means of self protection in an era where prosecutors release repeat offender to continue to victimize innocent people.

You can wish. You can proclaim. You can protest all you want. But this is not a weapon problem. It’s a law enforcement problem. It’s a cultural problem. Banning weapons will change little to solve those problems and the violence will continue.

The reasons for violence vary and are many, when it comes to violence in the form of mass shootings the weapons are a critical part of it that for the moment are easy and convenient to obtain for most anyone who want to carry that kind of violence out. Its not really hard to figure out. How self protected can anyone feel or be where these military style weapons are used about every day of the year in mass shootings across the United States? People put their faith in these type weapons for security only to see violence multiply and proliferate. Just look at how things have unfolded in the recent past, its a cancer to our security and self protection.

[JoeMemphis]

The reasons for violence vary and are many, when it comes to violence in the form of mass shootings the weapons are a critical part of it that for the moment are easy and convenient to obtain for most anyone who want to carry that kind of violence out. Its not really hard to figure out. How self protected can anyone feel or be where these military style weapons are used about every day of the year in mass shootings across the United States? People put their faith in these type weapons for security only to see violence multiply and proliferate. Just look at how things have unfolded in the recent past, its a cancer to our security and self protection.

Hey I don’t necessarily disagree when it comes to Assault Weapons. But whatever your reasoning, attempting to ban them won’t work because you cannot enforce the law on a federal level. Folks are already talking about sanctuary cities and states. So tell me how you make that work. Let’s face it. This notion that mayors and governors and district attorneys and Presidents can ignore the Federal Laws they don’t like has weakened the authority of the Federal Government. I said as much years ago. The chickens have come home to roost.

[gounion]

Hey I don’t necessarily disagree when it comes to Assault Weapons. But whatever your reasoning, attempting to ban them won’t work because you cannot enforce the law on a federal level. Folks are already talking about sanctuary cities and states. So tell me how you make that work. Let’s face it. This notion that mayors and governors and district attorneys and Presidents can ignore the Federal Laws they don’t like has weakened the authority of the Federal Government. I said as much years ago. The chickens have come home to roost.

So how many dead children will be too many? 5,000? 10,000?

A question you won't answer.

You are the "we can't" party. You can't solve ANY problems.

[Drak]

Party of “pro life,” though.

[ap215]

Colorado governor signs 4 gun control bills after massacre

DENVER (AP) — Colorado’s governor signed four gun control bills Friday, following the lead of other states struggling to confront a nationwide surge in violent crime and mass shootings, despite a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that expanded Second Amendment rights.

Before the ink was even dry on Gov. Jared Polis’ signature, gun rights groups sued to reverse two of the measures: raising the buying age for any gun from 18 to 21, and establishing a three-day waiting period between the purchase and receipt of a gun. The courts are already weighing lawsuits over such restrictions in other states.

https://apnews.com/article/gun-control- ... f1fc094392

[ap215]

Police: 5 people killed in shooting at home north of Houston

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A Texas man went next door with a rifle and began shooting his neighbors, killing an 8-year-old and four others inside the house, after the family asked him to stop firing rounds in his yard because they were trying to sleep, authorities said Saturday.

San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers said authorities were still searching for the 39-year-old suspect following the overnight shooting in the town of Cleveland, about 45 miles (72 kilometers) north of Houston. He said the suspect, whom he did not identify, used an AR-style rifle in the shooting.

https://www.aol.com/news/police-5-peopl ... 22312.html

[Toonces]

Person A: Banning the weapons won't work!

Person B: Have you tried it?

Person A: Yes

Person B: Did it work?

Person A: Yes

Apparently, now, it's somehow different.

If you're actively looking for reasons not to make changes, you're part of the problem. If you're good with the status quo, you're good with children being murdered. That is a factual statement because your excuses are bullshit.

Ban the sale of the weapon. Background checks. Red flag laws. Waiting periods. None of those takes away anyone's rights. Being "inconvenienced" is not losing a right.

[Number6]

Party of “pro life,” though.

The are the party of "pro-life" provided the "pro-lifer" has a gun. The GOP is really the party that supports mass shooter and grooming children to grow up to be mass shooters.

[gounion]

This is life in GOP America: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/29/us/cleve ... index.html

Five people were fatally shot, including an 8-year-old, in a Cleveland, Texas, home after a Friday night rampage that started with a noise complaint about gunfire, according to the San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office.

The gunman, who remains at large, was apparently shooting a rifle in his yard when neighbors asked him to stop because a baby was trying to sleep, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers said. The suspect then opened fire on the neighbors, Capers said.

Authorities found the victims Friday night after receiving a harassment report about 11:30 p.m. local time, the sheriff said.

“The victims, they came over to the fence said, ‘Hey, could you mind not shooting out in the yard. We have a young baby that is trying to go sleep,’” Capers said.

The suspect, who had been drinking, responded, “I’ll do what I want to in my front yard.”

A doorbell camera at the home of the victims at some point captured the suspect approaching with his rifle, Capers said.

Multiple people were shot around the residence, Capers said. Two female victims in a bedroom used their bodies to shield two young children who survived, he added.

“They were trying to take care of them babies and keep them babies alive,” Capers said of the victims.

An 8-year old dead. Two women died shielding the baby and another child with their bodies.

You have to be dead inside to say this is how life in America has to be from now on.

But hey, this is Texas, you can do what you want in your yard, right?

[Glennfs]

This is life in GOP America: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/29/us/cleve ... index.html



An 8-year old dead. Two women died shielding the baby and another child with their bodies.

You have to be dead inside to say this is how life in America has to be from now on.

But hey, this is Texas, you can do what you want in your yard, right?

OK what is your solution

[Drak]

The are the party of "pro-life" provided the "pro-lifer" has a gun. The GOP is really the party that supports mass shooter and grooming children to grow up to be mass shooters.

Party of pro life who worship tools designed for death. Who doesn't care about children being shot up in schools. Doesn't care about the life of a mother. Doesn't care about the health and well being of a child after the child is born. Is pro death penalty. Anticipates the end times, with glee. Stuff like that.

[gounion]

OK what is your solution

We've been talking about it in this thread and on this board.

What is YOUR solution? Just accept this as the way of life, thousands of children dead every year?

I mean, you have grandchildren. Is this what you want for them?

[Glennfs]

We've been talking about it in this thread and on this board.

What is YOUR solution? Just accept this as the way of life, thousands of children dead every year?

I mean, you have grandchildren. Is this what you want for them?

It is such a complex issue and problem I truly do not see a solution.

[gounion]

It is such a complex issue and problem I truly do not see a solution.

So, you have NO solution. Let’m all die. Guns are far more important that children. That’s what it sounds like to me.

[Toonces]

I'd have to believe that the writers of the Constitution never intended for the second amendment to be used as an excuse to not do anything to address what is happening.

There are things you can do. Easy things. All while allowing citizens to still own guns.