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bradman wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:43 am Lock 'em up. I wish it was just that easy........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB7dI0Tk3dw

See a problem there?
There is some balance here. If you arrest someone multiple times then releasing them on their own recognizance isn’t working. Set the bail high enough that they don’t easily get out to reoffend. Part of the job of the law enforcement system and the judicial system is to protect the public as well as to protect the rights of the accused. We have sacrificed protecting the public in the name of political correctness.

I do see a problem there. Don’t you?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:46 pm There is some balance here. If you arrest someone multiple times then releasing them on their own recognizance isn’t working. Set the bail high enough that they don’t easily get out to reoffend. Part of the job of the law enforcement system and the judicial system is to protect the public as well as to protect the rights of the accused. We have sacrificed protecting the public in the name of political correctness.

I do see a problem there. Don’t you?
Yes, i do.

Along with little or none that want to join the force for that matter.

[edit] i'd be curious what you mean by balance.
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bradman wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:39 pm Yes, i do.

Along with little or none that want to join the force for that matter.

[edit] i'd be curious what you mean by balance.
I mean releasing some of those arrested on their own recognizance is perfectly okay. First time offenders who aren’t a danger to themselves or others and who aren’t flight risk.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:53 am I mean releasing some of those arrested on their own recognizance is perfectly okay. First time offenders who aren’t a danger to themselves or others and who aren’t flight risk.
Fair enough. We lock the rest up.

Now if i remember right the last time we tried the "tuff on crime" thing we found out our prison system was inadequate. Anywhere from overcrowding to insufficient staffing. Which means we'll have to build more prisons of which we already lead the world in.

Knowing that most of the inmates in the new El Salvador prison terrorized whole towns, ya, it's hard for me to drum up sympathy when i see the cruel conditions they are living in....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB7dI0Tk3dw

Knowing that our prison systems aren't much better the question for me is, how did it come to this? That understanding is key to solving the problem. Until then locking them up is easy and nothing but a quick fix. imo it will lead to prisons here that would resemble El Salvador's. i dunno bout you but i'd like to avoid that.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016 ... dbe3ecf836
But let’s start with the numbers. The United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, but about 25 percent of the prisoners. That adds up to 2.2 million people behind bars in this country, including more than 11 million people who move through our local jails each year, all at a cost of $80 billion every year. Meanwhile 70 million people – about one-third of working age Americans – have some type of criminal record
There are a number of reasons, from a lack of investment in schools and economic opportunity, to draconian drug laws and bail policies that criminalize poverty, to inadequate reentry services and employment discrimination against people who have been incarcerated, just to name a few.
or as another poster recently mentioned...
The problem is not the law but the system. First the mental health system was dismantled, then the lower-middle class got priced out of decent housing. If you have any problems at all, such as mental illness or long term job loss, it's the street for you.
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Perhaps the question is not how many you lock up but rather locking up the right people. Let’s stop releasing habitual criminals to reoffend. I have no problem working with non habitual criminals to get them the help they need.
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Chicago shooting kills 8-year-old girl and wounds 10 people including small children, police say

CHICAGO (AP) — Eleven people standing outside a family gathering Saturday night were shot including a young girl who was killed in what Chicago police believe was gang-related violence on the city’s South Side.

Four victims were children, police said Sunday. An 8-year-old girl was fatally shot, while a 1-year-old boy and a 8-year-old boy were each shot multiple times and listed in critical condition. A 9-year-old boy also was injured with a graze wound to his finger and hospitalized.

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Sweeping gun legislation approved by Maine lawmakers after mass shooting

The Maine Legislature approved sweeping gun safety legislation including background checks on private gun sales, waiting periods for gun purchases and criminalizing gun sales to prohibited people before adjourning Thursday morning, nearly six months after the deadliest shooting in state history.

Democratic Gov. Janet Mills and the Democratic-led Legislature pressed for a number of gun and mental health proposals after the shooting that claimed 18 lives and injured another 13 people, despite the state’s strong hunting tradition and support for gun owners.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 30789.html
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Background checks on all sales? Waiting periods? Making it a crime to sell to people who shouldn't have guns?

It's might just be crazy enough to work!

Although, being able to drive a short distance to circumvent those rules might be an issue.

And none of it takes away anyone's right to own a gun. Except those who shouldn't own a gun. You CAN regulate gun ownership. Who knew?
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Detroit man charged with shooting 5 people at night club
“I have seen countless arguments escalate into serious shooting incidents over the most trivial things,” Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said. “Any time a weapon is introduced, it never ends well. Most times, tragically. We must stop escalating the violence into violence. In this case, the only good thing that came out of it is that no one died.”
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Nothing in the article about whether or not he was carrying a legal firearm. Whether or not he was able to legally own a firearm.

If he has an illegal weapon or was not legally able to own a firearm. Then all the gun laws in the world would not matter.
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Nothing in the quote about regulating firearms. The speaker was simply noting that when deadly weapons are introduced into a situation, don't be surprised when the outcome is permanent.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:53 am Nothing in the quote about regulating firearms. The speaker was simply noting that when deadly weapons are introduced into a situation, don't be surprised when the outcome is permanent.
That’s true. But you can’t discuss firearms without at least acknowledging that all such discussions eventually boil down to regulation. It’s always the elephant in the room.

More weapons, especially unregulated weapons, increase the likely hood that someone is gonna get hurt. Weapons are here and they aren’t going away. The question is how do we get to a safer place constitutionally. Thats a multifaceted problem with no simple solution.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:44 am Nothing in the article about whether or not he was carrying a legal firearm. Whether or not he was able to legally own a firearm.

If he has an illegal weapon or was not legally able to own a firearm. Then all the gun laws in the world would not matter.
I took it to mean how people think about guns and violence can lead them to violence or produce more unnecessarily. Something to consider locally, nationally, and internationally.

They weren't clear about status of legality in this one either but the thinking appears similar.

Tennessee teacher arrested after bringing guns to preschool, threatening co-worker, police say

....According to the Metro Nashville Police Department, school safety officers took Cowart into custody after witnesses said she threatened to grab a firearm and made threats against another teacher and the school after an argument.

Staff told police she threatened to “shoot up” the preschool and that she keeps a firearm “on her," WSMV-TV reported.

One teacher told police she heard Cowart say, “When I start shooting, you better run,” the outlet reported, adding the school was locked down shortly after until police arrived.......
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG5tV_DGlZQ
Parents, experts urge TN lawmakers not to pass bill to allow teachers to carry guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJFUG7HigVo

Memphis officer may have been killed by ‘friendly fire,’ DA’s Office says
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh2BnIaZuj8

'A confederacy of dunces!': Mom blasts TN GOP for advancing bill to arm teachers
MSNBC's Katie Phang speaks with Beth Gebhard, a Nashville mom whose kids survived the 2023 Covenant School shooting, and Tennessee Democratic State Representative Justin J. Pearson about Tennessee Senate Republicans advancing a bill that would allow some teachers to carry concealed guns.
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Motor City wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:15 am I took it to mean how people think about guns and violence can lead them to violence or produce more unnecessarily. Something to consider locally, nationally, and internationally.

They weren't clear about status of legality in this one either but the thinking appears similar.

Tennessee teacher arrested after bringing guns to preschool, threatening co-worker, police say
Primarily if people who aren't legally permitted to own or carry a firearm is involved.
Again in this case if the shooter owned or possessed the weapon illegally no law would have prevented the shooting
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Brazil court says government must compensate victims of stray bullets in police raids

SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) — The Brazilian Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the state must compensate victims of stray bullets during military and law enforcement operations.

The ruling means that the state is now civilly liable for deaths or injuries resulting from either police or armed forces operations, even in cases where the forensics reports are inconclusive.

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-stray ... dium=share
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Biden Administration to Implement Most Sweeping Gun Export Regulations in Decades

To curb the use of U.S.-made civilian guns in crimes and human rights abuses abroad, the Biden administration will require exporters to better vet their customers and tighten sales to 36 countries deemed “high-risk” for illicit diversion of semiautomatic firearms, according to people briefed on the plan.

The new regulations—the most sweeping in decades—also cut the length of export licenses from four years to one and give the State Department greater authority to block sales. The Commerce Department on Friday is scheduled to release the 150-page regulation, which agency officials have outlined to advocacy groups and policymakers on Capitol Hill.

https://time.com/6971292/biden-administ ... gulations/
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Sources: Marshal killed, officers shot while serving warrant in east Charlotte

CHARLOTTE — Sources tell Channel 9 a deputy U.S. Marshal was killed Monday in what police are calling an “active” situation in east Charlotte.

“Numerous” law enforcement officers were shot, police said. A source told Channel 9 at least three officers and one suspect were hurt.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cmpd- ... FT65QDTA4/
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/numerous-law ... 17594.html
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4 law officers serving warrant are killed, 4 wounded in shootout at North Carolina home, police say
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Ecuadorian beauty queen shot dead, Instagram post gave away location to killers

An Ecuadorian beauty queen, who was also a social media influencer, was shot dead at a restaurant after an Instagram post of her "octopus ceviche" which she was having for lunch, gave away her location to the two unidentified killers.

Landy Parraga Goyburo, a 23-year-old who participated in the 2022 Miss Ecuador contest, was murdered at the restaurant in Quevedo city on April 28. She was in the city to attend a wedding.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/e ... 2024-05-04
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One of the Surfers Killed in Mexico Was Engaged to Be Married In August

One of the surfers who was found slain during a recent trip to Baja California, Mexico was engaged to be married this summer.

Brothers Jake Robinson, 30, and Callum Robinson, 33, traveled with their friend Jack Carter Rhoad, 30, in late April for a surfing trip. Their bodies were discovered in a well with gunshot wounds after they failed to show up at the accommodations they had booked in Rosarito.

https://people.com/surfer-jack-carter-r ... ed-8644340
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Savannah Kriger Fired Bullets Through Her Wedding Dress Before Killing Son, 3, and Herself

Shortly before a Texas mother shot and killed her young son before dying by suicide, authorities said she fired bullets through multiple items in her home, including her wedding dress.

Savannah Kriger, a San Antonio resident, and her 3-year-old son, Kaiden, were found dead with gunshot wounds at a park on March 19 amid a custody battle, Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said during a press conference on May 2.

https://people.com/savannah-kriger-fire ... lf-8644615
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Slovakia’s Prime Minister Fico in life-threatening condition after being shot multiple times

(CNN) — Slovakia’s Prime Minister Robert Fico was in a life-threatening condition in hospital Wednesday after he was shot multiple times in an assassination attempt.

The shooting took place after an off-site government meeting in Handlova. Fico was first transported to a local hospital and then taken by helicopter to a major trauma center in Banska Bystrica, about 20 miles (30 kilometers) away.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/europe/s ... index.html
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