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I don't very much like the "blame pop culture" thing the Rethugs go to in these situations.

BUT: how many Hollywood films feature a guy, and yeah it's almost always a guy, who's been wronged, gotten a "Raw Deal," as it were, and then takes out a gun and gets justice. Usually by shooting & killing lots of extras (fake blood galore) whose names probably don't even appear in the credits. I really think as a culture, we often promote this idea that justice can be gotten through revenge and violence. :|

Hmmm. First mass shootings in hospitals - guess you can get treated quicker if you survive :| - now mass shootings in cemeteries. Well, hey, if they got to bury you, at least the trip is short. :|

Yeah, I'm all out of smilies on this. It's just not funny anymore. :(
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ProfX wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:40 am I don't very much like the "blame pop culture" thing the Rethugs go to in these situations.

BUT: how many Hollywood films feature a guy, and yeah it's almost always a guy, who's been wronged, gotten a "Raw Deal," as it were, and then takes out a gun and gets justice. Usually by shooting & killing lots of extras (fake blood galore) whose names probably don't even appear in the credits. I really think as a culture, we often promote this idea that justice can be gotten through revenge and violence. :|

Hmmm. First mass shootings in hospitals - guess you can get treated quicker if you survive :| - now mass shootings in cemeteries. Well, hey, if they got to bury you, at least the trip is short. :|

Yeah, I'm all out of smilies on this. It's just not funny anymore. :(
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Fugitive suspected of killing five in Texas dies in police shootout

An escaped prisoner in Texas was fatally shot in a police shootout Thursday after allegedly killing a family of five and taking their vehicle.

Police officers in Atascosa County identified a vehicle stolen by fugitive Gonzalo Lopez and disabled it with spike strips, precipitating a shootout between the two parties.

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/35 ... -shootout/
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Movie above-the-line is a profession of whores. They read the public and try to create product that will put butts in seats. They have no real power to change the culture, but the culture has the power to change them, because it is the source of all revenue.

They're frantically searching for a way to get people away from their cell phones and smart TVs long enough to risk covid in a theater. With the geriatric sequel to Top Gun, they seem to have found it. That's all you need to know. In a medium with a minimum 12-month lead time, I would imagine that the immediate future seems clear.

In the case of mass shootings, it seems to be more of a peer-interaction driver. Social networking of course cranks this to 11 and then searches for a way to get to 12. Movies and TV seem less influential than the nightly internal dialogues on this week's underground web site.

I didn't watch Biden's speech. Why bother? One Senator can kill anything that the president comes up with, and the Democrats will be blamed for inaction. Again. The gun lobby, whether or not it's a Russian plot to demoralize the US, has a couple of these guys by the balls and that's all that's needed to completely paralyze Congress.

I need to go read the NYT story on statistical evidence for the common sense notion that parliamentary systems deal better with economic and crime issues than presidential ones do.

Sure seems to be the case in Canada.
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I think it's really a cultural ethos issue that I was pointing to, and I agree there are many pieces of mass and pop culture that inform an ethos, of which social media is now a gigantic part. The ethos is: "you got wronged, get your gun, take out all those you think are to blame, and heck, maybe a few people nearby or in the way" ...

As for (often anti)social media, well there seems to be a retired federal agent the Buffalo shooter was private-chatting with, and retired or no, active-duty agents ought to be asking him why he didn't mention this to anybody else in law enforcement... :|

All I can say is I watched Biden's speech and everything he requested Congress do, is -- extremely common sense, widely supported, ...

We can wail about what's broken in our system and how to fix it. This much I know: it may get killed by the filibuster, but if a widely supported, common sense gun safety reform bill is blocked by the filibuster in the Senate (which is where I see it dying) ... well all I can say is, take the names of those who supported blocking it, and remind voters about it in November.
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Man who killed 2 outside Iowa church faced harassment case
....Whitlatch and Montang had recently broken up, Fitzgerald said, and Whitlatch was arrested May 31 on counts of harassment and impersonating a police officer.

Details of the allegations against Whitlatch weren’t immediately available, Story County Capt. Nicholas Lennie said. Whitlatch was released on bond the same day he was arrested, Lennie said, and had been scheduled to appear in court June 10.

A search of Whitlatch’s truck following the shooting turned up 9 mm ammunition and a receipt from a West Des Moines store that showed he bought the ammunition an hour before the shooting, Fitzgerald said. Investigators believe his intent was to kill Montang, Fitzgerald said.

“He was there for a specific purpose, which he accomplished,” the sheriff said.

A search warrant executed at Whitlatch’s home also turned up an AR-15 rifle, which was not used in the shooting......
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That's the cultural illness I was referring to. It has only a little to do with bad examples in the media, and everything to do with how this culture handles feelings of failure or powerlessness. This isn't the only country with private ownership of firearms, nor is it the only one with gun crime, but it's the only one where a daily body count has become part of normal life.

The NYT article didn't have any real ideas that we already don't know. Mostly it was about how a parliamentary system cuts down the battle between the head poobah and the legislature, because a majority party or coalition selects the head poobah. Seemed to conclude that it does some things better than electing a president separately and some things worse, which we already know.

However, were I to sit down and intentionally design a model of government most guaranteed to tend toward paralysis and endless infighting, it would be hard to beat ours. Add unlimited access to military grade killing machines, throw in mass denial of an ongoing public health crisis and resulting unfocused anger and poor mental health, and you have a social catastrophe on your hands.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:55 pm That's the cultural illness I was referring to. It has only a little to do with bad examples in the media, and everything to do with how this culture handles feelings of failure or powerlessness. This isn't the only country with private ownership of firearms, nor is it the only one with gun crime, but it's the only one where a daily body count has become part of normal life.

The NYT article didn't have any real ideas that we already don't know. Mostly it was about how a parliamentary system cuts down the battle between the head poobah and the legislature, because a majority party or coalition selects the head poobah. Seemed to conclude that it does some things better than electing a president separately and some things worse, which we already know.

However, were I to sit down and intentionally design a model of government most guaranteed to tend toward paralysis and endless infighting, it would be hard to beat ours. Add unlimited access to military grade killing machines, throw in mass denial of an ongoing public health crisis and resulting unfocused anger and poor mental health, and you have a social catastrophe on your hands.
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ap215 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:05 pm Thank You Rep. Eric Swalwell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoDf_VA ... icSwalwell
I Hope he has bodyguards, GOP will want to kill him. Now everybody gets that these comments like that one are NOT exaggerations.
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Not only will the GOP never allow any kind of gun control in this country, this is what they do to other Republicans who try to do the right thing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/facin ... 93ab8dfcbe

Facing backlash, Republican congressman quits race after supporting U.S. gun control
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1 dead, 8 injured after shooting at Arizona shopping center

A shooting at a strip mall in Phoenix, Ariz., left one dead and eight others injured early Saturday morning.

Two female victims are receiving treatment for life-threatening injuries, while another died from severe injuries after the attack, according to police.

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/35 ... ng-center/
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ap215 wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:38 pm 1 dead, 8 injured after shooting at Arizona shopping center

A shooting at a strip mall in Phoenix, Ariz., left one dead and eight others injured early Saturday morning.

Two female victims are receiving treatment for life-threatening injuries, while another died from severe injuries after the attack, according to police.

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/35 ... ng-center/
Only 1? Will not make the news.

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14 Shot, 3 Dead, in Mass Shooting on South Street

At least 14 people were shot, three of them killed, when gunmen fired into a crowd on a popular stretch of South Street in Philadelphia late Saturday night.

It happened on South Street between 2nd and 3rd streets shortly before midnight. Hundreds of people were out enjoying the night when officers said they heard multiple gunshots, then saw several gunmen firing into a crowd.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/lo ... t/3261464/
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This Philly shooting is unusual. There were at least two gunmen (people?) firing into the crowd, police fired back at one and they dropped their weapon and fled, but neither were hit, or apprehended.

There may have even been a duplicate incident later that night, still being investigated whether it was connected.

That area is a heavy tourist district. It's where I'd go if I wanted to kill lots of ... tourists out partying in the night.

But anyway, when you have two people firing into a crowd, that's often gang related, or ... well, the t word. It's not a lone angry whatever out to get back from their raw deal.
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14 shot, 3 dead after shooting near downtown Chattanooga bar

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — Chattanooga Police Chief Celeste Murphy says a chaotic scene left 14 shot and 3 people hit by vehicles outside a Chattanooga bar early Sunday morning.

A total of 3 people lost their lives: Two died from gunshot wounds, and a third died after a vehicle trying to get away from the scene ran over them.

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/hea ... n-violence
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ap215 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:09 pm 14 shot, 3 dead after shooting near downtown Chattanooga bar

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — Chattanooga Police Chief Celeste Murphy says a chaotic scene left 14 shot and 3 people hit by vehicles outside a Chattanooga bar early Sunday morning.

A total of 3 people lost their lives: Two died from gunshot wounds, and a third died after a vehicle trying to get away from the scene ran over them.

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/hea ... n-violence
WAs about to post this, but you got it. No point anymore really, we have more mass shootings in one average week than any 10 countries combined do in 20 years.

This madness is 100% OK with cons including those here, in fact they are wanting more.
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Violence in America: Gun control is an important step — but we also must address root causes
.....We need to delve deeper and do some collective soul-searching. One of the most important questions we should examine is what engenders so much desperation in people, and causes them to lash out through violence in these ways....
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Libertas wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:11 pm WAs about to post this, but you got it. No point anymore really, we have more mass shootings in one average week than any 10 countries combined do in 20 years.

This madness is 100% OK with cons including those here, in fact they are wanting more.
16 shot 1 killed in Chicago this weekend. Why is Gun violence in Chicago ignored here
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As long as we're posing questions,

Looking at cities with the worst homicide rates in 2022,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-ci ... st-murders

Chicago is the 10th worst on the list.

Could just as well ask why focus on that one, and not cities 1-9? (#1 is St. Louis, MO.)
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:41 pm 16 shot 1 killed in Chicago this weekend. Why is Gun violence in Chicago ignored here
No, nobody falls for your 1959 White Citizen's Council propaganda, here.

I get that that's frustrating to your white-conservative supremacy and entitlement issues.

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ProfX wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:40 am I don't very much like the "blame pop culture" thing the Rethugs go to in these situations.
The reason they blame it on pop culture is because pop culture can't fight back. It's part of the republican playbook of assigning blame to a group or something, like pop culture, that can't or doesn't have the power to fight back. By blaming someone else it put the individual, group, etc. on the defensive if and when they do fight back giving credence to the republicans false blame.
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ProfX wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:47 pm As long as we're posing questions,

Looking at cities with the worst homicide rates in 2022,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-ci ... st-murders

Chicago is the 10th worst on the list.

Could just as well ask why focus on that one, and not cities 1-9? (#1 is St. Louis, MO.)
Notice, glenn never talks about the gun violence in New Orleans (3rd), Memphis (8th), Tulsa (18th) from your link? I guess his pals who wear the Confederate shirt gets a pass in these cities.
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Number6 wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:35 pm Notice, glenn never talks about the gun violence in New Orleans (3rd), Memphis (8th), Tulsa (18th) from your link? I guess his pals who wear the Confederate shirt gets a pass in these cities.
No I just happen to deliver in Chicago 4 to 6 times a month. I am in Memphis quite often also but, you never seem to hear about dozens of shootings there every weekend. But, I do warn my friends not to stay overnight in Memphis and to buy your gas 50 miles before or 50 miles after you get there.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:55 pm No I just happen to deliver in Chicago 4 to 6 times a month. I am in Memphis quite often also but, you never seem to hear about dozens of shootings there every weekend. But, I do warn my friends not to stay overnight in Memphis and to buy your gas 50 miles before or 50 miles after you get there.
But Memphis has more shootings than Chicago but you "conveniently" don't hear about it. I'm not buying the load of crap you're delivering.
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