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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:10 pm I said I do not disagree or dispute the facts put forward in the tv show. That is hardly a defense of trump
All you do is defend Trump. And the turds you’ve laid out in this thread regarding how these hearings are being conducted are irrelevant, Trump talking points.
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Drak wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:12 pm All you do is defend Trump. And the turds you’ve laid out in this thread regarding how these hearings are being conducted are irrelevant, Trump talking points.
Link please
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Drak wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:13 pm New video from Liz Cheney and the Jan 6th Committee about Thursday’s hearing. She points out the crimes - what Trump was plotting was illegal. Eric Hershman, one of Trump’s lawyers, told Eastman to hire a great criminal defense lawyer, because he’s going to need it.

https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/stat ... 8208355330
Eric Herschmann is as hardcore a Trumper as any. He was one of Trump’s WH lawyers. He says this was a crime, and tells Eastman to lawyer up hard. Then hung up on him.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:15 pmLink please
Are you lost? If not, how’s about you get lost? The non stop trolling is pathetic. You have NO credibility or influence on anyone on this liberal message board.
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Drak wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:18 pm Are you lost? If not, how’s about you get lost? The non stop trolling is pathetic. You have NO credibility or influence on anyone on this liberal message board.
You constantly make accusations but never back it up.
I said I agree with the information presented. But it was a documentary
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:25 pm You constantly make accusations but never back it up.
I said I agree with the information presented. But it was a documentary
False. I’ve backed up the things you’ve said and lied about a fair bit in the past, with links to your posts. There is no point. You’re an attention seeker and no one should be spending time on your bullshit.

You are absolutely parroting RW talking points by crying about how these hearings are produced, which is a known GOP distraction that has nothing to do with anything other than attempting a weak attack on the Committee’s credibility.
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Drak wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:35 pm False. I’ve backed up the things you’ve said and lied about a fair bit in the past, with links to your posts. There is no point. You’re an attention seeker and no one should be spending time on your bullshit.

You are absolutely parroting RW talking points by crying about how these hearings are produced, which is a known GOP distraction that has nothing to do with anything other than attempting a weak attack on the Committee’s credibility.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:52 pm It was produced by an award winning TV producer.
I am not denying the facts he put in his documentary but you call it a congressional hearing is misleading
You're hung-up on the fact a TV producer is helping with this; get over it. These are public hearings meaning the public has the need to know what the Committee has/is finding out. You're just upset because the Committee is doing a professional job as opposed to the Benghazi hearings.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:05 pm You're hung-up on the fact a TV producer is helping with this; get over it. These are public hearings meaning the public has the need to know what the Committee has/is finding out. You're just upset because the Committee is doing a professional job as opposed to the Benghazi hearings.
Can you IMAGINE how messed up board con's kitchen ceiling would be with his brains exploding from RAGE if Obama or Hillary bilked a quarter of a billion from supporters while committing a felony? Board con would LOSE HIS MIND.

What does con do? Criticizes the committee for doing TOO good of a job. These cons are traitors. :twisted:
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The reality is that TV producers and IT departments are as much a part of modern life as truck drivers, plumbers, and farm workers. It's a mediated society. It's how we live. Accept it, and you'll be a lot happier.

Obviously, given my line of work, I'm not going to lose sleep over the idea that visuals are being overseen by professionals in the field of getting same from the event scene to the mass audience. Everything on CSPAN is through cameras. They are sometimes automated, but they are still mediated by directors, gaffers, grips, runners, line producers, and many others. Multiply this by two or three for the big networks or even the streamers.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:24 pm The reality is that TV producers and IT departments are as much a part of modern life as truck drivers, plumbers, and farm workers. It's a mediated society. It's how we live. Accept it, and you'll be a lot happier.

Obviously, given my line of work, I'm not going to lose sleep over the idea that visuals are being overseen by professionals in the field of getting same from the event scene to the mass audience. Everything on CSPAN is through cameras. They are sometimes automated, but they are still mediated by directors, gaffers, grips, runners, line producers, and many others. Multiply this by two or three for the big networks or even the streamers.
Had the Committee put the videos together on their own and not relied on professionals glenn would be complaining about how amateurish the Committee would look.
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:30 pm Problem with criminal intent is you need a crime. There’s a law that allows members of congress to challenge the vote count. I’m pretty sure it’s unconstitutional but it’s kinda how this shit got on track.

A whole lot of this was on the fringes.
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The peaceful transition of power is a central tenet of American democracy. It has long been a point of pride for this nation that even in times of deep political strife the sitting president accepts the election of a new leader, and, if abashedly, steps down without protest.
A peaceful transition of power is not in the Constitution. And yet it's one of two things we have always had faith in. Losing that faith in the peaceful transition of power, imo, will eventually be the end of U.S.. It may not be a crime, but it should be. Trump is ripping apart the very fabric that has barely kept us going for this long. There oughta be a law.
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bradman wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:41 pm https://www.nhpr.org/politics/2021-01-1 ... -important


A peaceful transition of power is not in the Constitution. And yet it's one of two things we have always had faith in. Losing that faith in the peaceful transition of power, imo, will eventually be the end of U.S.. It may not be a crime, but it should be. Trump is ripping apart the very fabric that has barely kept us going for this long. There oughta be a law.
There is a process in place whereby a candidate can challenge the result and there is always the courts. It’s an established legal constitutional process. The problem is that there is no reasonable amount of time available to build a case between Election Day and inauguration. That’s precisely why we need control processes in place ahead of time to insure everyone that the vote is accurate. Changing the rules outside the legislative process in the state will do nothing but cast doubt on the results. That’s part of what happened in 2020. Maybe it was unavoidable due the the circumstances and the pandemic.

That being said. I agree with you 100% that those people who serve or seek to serve should be prepared to accept the results. Take all the legal options to make sure votes are counted (recounts, etc) but the most important thing we have going for us is faith in the electoral process. It’s bigger than any one individual and their personal ego. Trump did more damage to the office and the credibility of government institutions than he can possibly repair. He doesn’t deserve and IMO never did deserve the office.

I also agree with BD. Was it a crime? From a legal perspective, maybe. The process will have to work its will. From an ethical/moral perspective, he’s a selfish piece of shit.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:55 pm There is a process in place whereby a candidate can challenge the result and there is always the courts. It’s an established legal constitutional process. The problem is that there is no reasonable amount of time available to build a case between Election Day and inauguration. That’s precisely why we need control processes in place ahead of time to insure everyone that the vote is accurate. Changing the rules outside the legislative process in the state will do nothing but cast doubt on the results. That’s part of what happened in 2020. Maybe it was unavoidable due the the circumstances and the pandemic.

That being said. I agree with you 100% that those people who serve or seek to serve should be prepared to accept the results. Take all the legal options to make sure votes are counted (recounts, etc) but the most important thing we have going for us is faith in the electoral process. It’s bigger than any one individual and their personal ego. Trump did more damage to the office and the credibility of government institutions than he can possibly repair. He doesn’t deserve and IMO never did deserve the office.

I also agree with BD. Was it a crime? From a legal perspective, maybe. The process will have to work its will. From an ethical/moral perspective, he’s a selfish piece of shit.
It was only a matter of time until we saw the idiot cons around here repeating “stolen election” propaganda.

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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:15 pm It was only a matter of time until we saw the idiot cons around here repeating “stolen election” propaganda.

JFC you are a stupid rightwing tool.
Yep.
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Was it a crime, maybe? Sorry, an attempted coup is not legal. This was a planned violent insurrection. The cons here have been trying to cover and bury what happened from the start. And not one of them has followed it.
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The committee is now exposing republican members of congress like Barry Loudermik, who has continually lied about giving reconnaissance tours to MAGA insurrectionists just before Jan 6.

Insurrectionsts on his tour took pictures of key locations, staircases and tunnels before the attack.

Some examples. Taking pictures of seemingly unremarkable areas. Something “tourists” don’t typically do.

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NEW: The man who took photos of tunnels leading to the Capitol on GOP Rep. Barry Loudermilk’s tour the day before the Capitol attack appears to have arrived in DC on Jan. 4 on a “Keep America Great” bus — latest
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:15 pm It was only a matter of time until we saw the idiot cons around here repeating “stolen election” propaganda.

JFC you are a stupid rightwing tool.
Have you forgotten about the stolen election propaganda when Trump beat HRC.
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Drak wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:28 pm Was it a crime, maybe? Sorry, an attempted coup is not legal. This was a planned violent insurrection. The cons here have been trying to cover and bury what happened from the start. And not one of them has followed it.
Didn’t say it was. Whether or not it a crime was committed will ultimately be determined by professionals at the DOJ. They are pretty smart about such things. Probably better than you.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:55 pm Didn’t say it was. Whether or not it a crime was committed will ultimately be determined by professionals at the DOJ. They are pretty smart about such things. Probably better than you.
Yep. I have faith in the DOJ who is on the case.

You, on the other hand, have proven time and time again that you don't follow what's going on, and haven't from the start.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:49 pm Have you forgotten about the stolen election propaganda when Trump beat HRC.

From who? HRC? HRC who conceded ASAP? From Jill Stein? Jill Stein who's a Putin Puppet and a member of the green party, not the Democratic Party? Are you referring to a couple of people in the party and some people on a message board? Did the majority of the Dems in congress attempt to overturn the election like the Republicans did? Did the majority of dems start pushing the big lie and attempt countless court cases? Did the Dems arrange to storm the Capital and attempt a coup, led by HRC after HRC lost? Do you ever grow tired of being a complete idiot? Whatever it takes to protect your feelings and guard yourself from reality, like a cultist fanboy. You constantly repeat the same bullshit over and over again.

And folks questioning the validity of an election with what we know about Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik and the fact that every single Intelligence branch in the US confirm that Russia assisted Trump and the GOP, and continued to do so in 2020. Roger Stone was found guilty of conspiring with Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange and was pardoned for it by Trump. Theses are legit points, not propaganda and not at all an equivalency.
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Drak wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:08 pm Yep. I have faith in the DOJ who is on the case.

You, on the other hand, have proven time and time again that you don't follow what's going on, and haven't from the start.
I follow enough to know whose opinion counts when it comes to what is or is not a crime.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:36 pm I follow enough to know whose opinion counts when it comes to what is or is not a crime.
Nope. You’ve been attempting to downplay J6 from the start.

You don’t follow jack squat. Unless it’s something like Uranium One or Durham’s flop.
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Drak wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:48 pm Nope. You’ve been attempting to downplay J6 from the start.

You don’t follow jack squat. Unless it’s something like Uranium One or Durham’s flop.
I haven’t downplayed anything Drak. I’ve always said let professionals investigate. I haven’t tried to block or downplay allegations or investigations based on party affiliation. That I leave to you.
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Drak wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:48 pm Nope. You’ve been attempting to downplay J6 from the start.

You don’t follow jack squat. Unless it’s something like Uranium One or Durham’s flop.
ALL legal observers say this was an insurrection and that it was orchestrated and taht the trump org was involved.

NOBODY says otherwise unless they are trump sycophants.

YET board cons act like nothing to see here. Same way they will act when/if we are being arrested or killed. I have said this for years, and now we realize it is true and not an exaggeration.
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