The Critical Race Theory/so-called Cancel Culture Thread

[Bludogdem]

I find it kinda ridiculous the Trumpkin guv candidate in Virginia in part won election by promising he would remove CRT from Virgina K-12 schools. So like a politician. It doesn't exist at that level, so he won by promising to get rid of something that wasn't there.

Apparently people didn't like McAuliffe saying education should be left to educators. Would it be so controversial if he said medicine should be left to doctors, or rocket science to NASA techs?

Look, I would have given a more slightly nuanced answer. Of course there should be parental input into education, it is why we have school board meetings and PTAs. However, what I think McAuliffe meant was, and I of course hold this position myself, the final decision on curriculum should be left to teachers and school board members (who hopefully have backgrounds in education), not parents. They get to offer their input, but they don't have the FINAL say.

You can ask your doctor about Ivermectin, but he gets to prescribe, and if he tells you he won't, you don't get to override or overrule him. You always have the option to seek out another doctor. And if you don't like the curriculum of the public schools, you can homeschool or seek alternatives. But you don't get to tell teachers they can't discuss aspects of American history.

This sort of thing doesn’t help the cause.

“ The leaked document is a 2015 training program issued by the Virginia Department of Education.


As part of the program's “Culturally-Responsive Teaching and Learning Principles," public schools were encouraged to "embrace critical race theory," and "engage in race-conscious teaching and learning," according to the leaked presentation first reported by investigative journalist Christopher Rufo.”

“In addition, Va. Superintendent of Public Instruction James F. Lane sent a memo to all school districts in 2019 encouraging school leaders to read a book that calls critical race theory "an important analytic tool" for addressing "power and privilege."

https://wset.com/news/nation-world/docu ... ace-theory

That on top of the arrogance of “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” and things get off key.

Need to avoid these indiscretions in the future.

[carmenjonze]

Say, Blue Grass, when's the last time you actually read any critical race theory?

The 12th of Never?

This sort of thing doesn’t help the cause.

what cause are you talking about?

The Lost Cause?

... Christopher Rufo ...

pay attention to what you post, before posting, please.

Christopher Rufo is one of these Manhattan Institute ideologues whom Donald Trump took interest in when he made that stupid EO about teaching so-called critical race theory.

Rufo is supported not only by Donald Trump but some very deep-pocket rightwing nutjob racist foundation money.

The obscure foundation funding "Critical Race Theory" hysteria - Judd Legum

The Manhattan Institute

The Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank, has recently been at the forefront of the crusade against CRT. It is also the top recipient of cash from The Thomas W. Smith Foundation.

In recent months, Christopher Rufo, a senior fellow at the organization, has gained notoriety for spurring anti-CRT panic, describing CRT as an “existential threat to the United States.” Last year, Rufo appeared on the Tucker Carlson show and insisted that Trump must “immediately issue” an executive order “abolishing critical race theory trainings from the federal government.” Trump quickly took his advice.

Most recently, Rufo published an op-ed in the New York Post falsely claiming that CRT is centered around “race essentialism, collective guilt and state-sanctioned discrimination,” adding that the “war against critical race theory is a war worth fighting.” He also accuses public schools of “pushing toxic racial theories onto children.”

Yet, as Popular Information previously explained, Rufo is misrepresenting CRT for political purposes. In March 2021, Rufo acknowledged that he is simply using CRT as a vessel to capture concepts he thinks are politically unpopular. As Sarah Jones of New York Magazine recently wrote, Rufo “takes critical-race theory as a concept, strips it of all meaning, and repurposes it as a catchall for white grievances.”

Rufo's own tweets confirm his tactics. “We have decodified [CRT]…and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans,” Rufo tweeted.

No need to take anybody's word for it but your own eyes. The tweet is still up.

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/statu ... 52?lang=en

You, and blinkered conservative whites like you, are being openly manipulated, and you don't even care.

Also from your article:

The curriculum also cites people like critical race theorist Ibram X. Kendi, who wrote the book "How To Be An Antiracist."

Ibram X. Kendi is only a "critical race theorist" according to the Manhattan Institute.

If you'd read any actual "critical race theory," you'd know this. Instead, you're content to stay duped and stay exploited by a paid propagandist of the Heritage Foundation, Donald Trump, and Tucker Carlson.

[Bludogdem]

Say, Blue Grass, when's the last time you actually read any critical race theory?

The 12th of Never?



what cause are you talking about?

The Lost Cause?



pay attention to what you post, before posting, please.

Christopher Rufo is one of these Manhattan Institute ideologues whom Donald Trump took interest in when he made that stupid EO about teaching so-called critical race theory.

Rufo is supported not only by Donald Trump but some very deep-pocket rightwing nutjob racist foundation money.

The obscure foundation funding "Critical Race Theory" hysteria - Judd Legum



No need to take anybody's word for it but your own eyes. The tweet is still up.

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/statu ... 52?lang=en

You, and blinkered conservative whites like you, are being openly manipulated, and you don't even care.

Also from your article:



Ibram X. Kendi is only a "critical race theorist" according to the Manhattan Institute.

If you'd read any actual "critical race theory," you'd know this. Instead, you're content to stay duped and stay exploited by a paid propagandist of the Heritage Foundation, Donald Trump, and Tucker Carlson.

Doesn’t matter who found the documents. They exist. They are real. Apparently ABC NEWS understands that. And they have a negative impact. Fools might think otherwise. I went to the Virginia Education website to verify. Doesn’t bode well when you deny the existence but it shows up in your education department. Average voter isn’t going to drill deep and this sort of thing the average voter notices.

Was first introduced to CRT early 80’s at work.

[carmenjonze]

https://wset.com/news/nation-world/docu ... ace-theory

You really should read what you link to before posting.

The source for this story is Christopher Rufo himself.

As part of the program's “Culturally-Responsive Teaching and Learning Principles," public schools were encouraged to "embrace critical race theory," and "engage in race-conscious teaching and learning," according to the leaked presentation first reported by investigative journalist Christopher Rufo.

The link on the phrase "first reported" is: https://christopherrufo.com/mcaullifes-crt-lie/

Hm, server not found.

Happily, the Internet Archive/archive.org don't lie. So, taking a little trip over there, lo and behold, we find: McAuliffe’s CRT Lie

But in 2015, when McAuliffe was last governor, the Virginia Department of Education instructed public schools to “embrace critical race theory” in order to “re-engineer attitudes and belief systems.”

McAuliffe has called opposition to critical race theory a “right-wing conspiracy” and slandered parents as “racist.” But his own administration, and subsequently, the Northam Administration, have extensively promoted critical race theory to all Virginia public schools.

Here is the full document that proves McAuliffe is lying:

Hm. nothing but blank documents where documents are supposed to be.

What is it you're trying to prove again? Do you remember?

[carmenjonze]

Doesn’t matter who found the documents.

Documents proving...?

And no, maybe it does not matter to you that you're being manipulated, but it does matter that you're repeating far-right propaganda by a deep-pockets far-right propagandist.

They exist.

Show them.

They are real.

Show them.

Apparently ABC NEWS understands that. And they have a negative impact. Fools might think otherwise. I went to the Virginia Education website to verify.

Link?

Was first introduced to CRT early 80’s at work.

They were reading CRT at Lexis Nexis?

[carmenjonze]

Hm, looks like his site was temporarily down. Its back up, along with his documents links.

https://christopherrufo.com/mcaullifes-crt-lie/

Looking through them, I'm still interested to find where CRT is in VA public schools curriculum. Not seeing it, yet.

[carmenjonze]

That on top of the arrogance of “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” and things get off key.

Lmao these conservatives wave the Confederate flag and scream "the parents should decideeeeeeee!!!!!!!!" till they're blue in the face, yet demand that the government be in the doctor's office when it's other parents with their transgender kid.



Hey, they did the exact same thing during segregation. They had NO problems with the government telling Black parents where they could and could not send their children to school, even if it was 3 blocks away.

[carmenjonze]

Conservatives are going to have a much harder time of it than they already have, trying to bury this country's legacy of systemic, institutionalized, government-forced racism and white supremacism.

A new paper came out a few days ago that has blown the roof off of what some of us have been saying all along: the HOLC redlining was bad enough. But it's way worse than Richard Rothstein say.

For starters, conservatives militantly believe that racial disparities are either driven by pathological minority cultures, or are just simply innate (Manhattan Institute/Bell Curve.)

Much like glennfs, Sam Lefthand, JoeMemphis and some of these other clown car passengers, they are also deeply emotionally attached to deterministic ideas like, well, there's nothing you can do about it, or, well, that was 100 years ago. When in fact it's taken place over the course of their own entire lifetimes, within their own generations, and they are direct beneficiaries of these policies.

The HOLC Maps: How Race and Poverty Influenced Real Estate Professionals’ Evaluation of Lending Risk in the 1930s - National Bureau of Economic Research, these people are funded by both the Bradley Foundation, Sloan, Koret, Bill + Melinda, and others

During the late 1930s, the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) developed a series of area descriptions with color-coded maps of cities that summarized mortgage lending risk. We provide evidence that these maps were not the primary source used by the FHA to create their “redlining” maps for insuring mortgages. Instead, the HOLC maps provide a unique snapshot of how real estate professionals perceived lending risk in the 1930s. These perceptions were shaped by a wide range of factors including race, income, and housing quality.

We use the maps to explore the mechanisms behind the prevalence of black residents in the lowest-rated neighborhoods. Our results suggest that racial bias in the construction of the HOLC maps can explain at most 4 to 20 percent of the observed concentration of black households in the lowest-rated zones. Instead, our results suggest that the majority of black households were located in such zones because decades of disadvantage and discrimination had already pushed them into the core of economically distressed neighborhoods prior to the federal government’s involvement in mortgage markets.

You can download the entire paper for free with a free signup.

One thing I will be glad for is when these studies start including other marginalized groups of the era, including Native Americans, Latinx, Asian Americans, and Middle Easterners. The focus on anti-Black discrimination and anti-Black racism is low-hanging fruit. Redlining, housing, and education discrimination on the basis of race/ethnicity happened to far more than just African Americans.

[carmenjonze]

Whackodoodle Trump-drunk rich Republican sez cancel Black History Month I need Black Future Month I need Black Possibility Month I'm tired of talking about slavery.

(The same guy said 400 years of slavery is a choice.)

Irony alert: as prevelent as we're told so-called cancel culture is, this guy has never been canceled.

This is the only kind of Black person conservative whites like.

[Motor City]

Conservatives are going to have a much harder time of it than they already have, trying to bury this country's legacy of systemic, institutionalized, government-forced racism and white supremacism.

A new paper came out a few days ago that has blown the roof off of what some of us have been saying all along: the HOLC redlining was bad enough. But it's way worse than Richard Rothstein say.

For starters, conservatives militantly believe that racial disparities are either driven by pathological minority cultures, or are just simply innate (Manhattan Institute/Bell Curve.)

Much like glennfs, Sam Lefthand, JoeMemphis and some of these other clown car passengers, they are also deeply emotionally attached to deterministic ideas like, well, there's nothing you can do about it, or, well, that was 100 years ago. When in fact it's taken place over the course of their own entire lifetimes, within their own generations, and they are direct beneficiaries of these policies.

The HOLC Maps: How Race and Poverty Influenced Real Estate Professionals’ Evaluation of Lending Risk in the 1930s - National Bureau of Economic Research, these people are funded by both the Bradley Foundation, Sloan, Koret, Bill + Melinda, and others



You can download the entire paper for free with a free signup.

One thing I will be glad for is when these studies start including other marginalized groups of the era, including Native Americans, Latinx, Asian Americans, and Middle Easterners. The focus on anti-Black discrimination and anti-Black racism is low-hanging fruit. Redlining, housing, and education discrimination on the basis of race/ethnicity happened to far more than just African Americans.

Real estate in 2008 also and about bank lending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r76KkcJaTE

Why does corporate America get financial stability while the working class gets left behind? Jon sat down with Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen to discuss how America screws over its workers and what needs to change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAoWo7yFRQk

LeVar Burton is here to talk about how the American economy works!

[carmenjonze]

Real estate in 2008 also and about bank lending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r76KkcJaTE

Yes this history of white-supremacist discriminatory lending, redlining, and blockbusting into the 1970s is directly tied in to the predatory lending a generation later.

Same banks, same FHA, same realtors, same bigoted, racist WSs trying to control everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAoWo7yFRQk

Will watch, thank you.

[ProfX]

I get the analogy with medicine. True if you don’t like what the doctor says, fire the doctor and find another.

No Joe, not unless they are committing malpractice or other violations. You don't get to "fire" them. You are entitled to a 2nd opinion. You are always free to see a different one. And it does seem some of the nutters will hunt far and wide till they find the one guy who will prescribe ivermectin. It is, alas, their right.

So to move the analogy to education, if you don't like your kid learning evolution in K-12 public school, you are free to exercise other options, like homeschool, you just don't get to tell the teachers to stop teaching it.

The doctor doesn’t own the patient. And the teacher does not own the child. They forgot who the worked for and the voters reminded them.

Parents don't "own" their children either. And you know my position on this. Yes, parents can come offer constructive input on curriculum, through PTAs or school board meetings. Yes, they should be listened to. No, they should not have final determination on the curriculum. No, they don't get to veto the teaching of aspects of American history.

And if they are saying things that are bullshit, like "don't teach my kid CRT" or something which is in fact not even being taught in K-12, their ridiculous position should be ignored. It isn't constructive or even rational.

JMHO, too.

I would have worded what McAuliffe said slightly differently, but I really can think of dozens of reasons more not to vote for his Trumpkin opponent.

[ProfX]

As part of the program's “Culturally-Responsive Teaching and Learning Principles," public schools were encouraged to "embrace critical race theory," and "engage in race-conscious teaching and learning," according to the leaked presentation first reported by investigative journalist Christopher Rufo.”

Chris Rufo is a lying ideologue who basically admitted on TV he lies about CRT to push a broader agenda which has nothing to do with it, per se.

Not only is he saying things about CRT he knows are not true, he said as much, in that same interview. He willingly engages in distortion about it to push a broader, RW education agenda.

Find a better source, that would be far more helpful.

That on top of the arrogance of “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” and things get off key.

I would have nuanced his position a bit. I said how. But for the most part, I fundamentally agree with it.

What is really arrogant is ignorant parents feeling they can dictate to educated teachers how to educate. Yes, that is my position. And I would not change it nor refuse to articulate it, though I am not running for office.

I have no problem with thoughtful, constructive parents offering constructive input on curriculum at PTAs etc. That's different from screaming nonsense and flinging agitprop spittle at school board meetings.

Allowing the ignorant to dictate the nature of education defeats the purpose.

[sam lefthand]

Allowing the ignorant to dictate the nature of education defeats the purpose.

That is something which is true.

[JoeMemphis]

No Joe, not unless they are committing malpractice or other violations. You don't get to "fire" them. You are entitled to a 2nd opinion. You are always free to see a different one. And it does seem some of the nutters will hunt far and wide till they find the one guy who will prescribe ivermectin. It is, alas, their right.

So to move the analogy to education, if you don't like your kid learning evolution in K-12 public school, you are free to exercise other options, like homeschool, you just don't get to tell the teachers to stop teaching it.



Parents don't "own" their children either. And you know my position on this. Yes, parents can come offer constructive input on curriculum, through PTAs or school board meetings. Yes, they should be listened to. No, they should not have final determination on the curriculum. No, they don't get to veto the teaching of aspects of American history.

And if they are saying things that are bullshit, like "don't teach my kid CRT" or something which is in fact not even being taught in K-12, their ridiculous position should be ignored. It isn't constructive or even rational.

JMHO, too.

I would have worded what McAuliffe said slightly differently, but I really can think of dozens of reasons more not to vote for his Trumpkin opponent.

Last time I checked, I can still choose what doctors I go to and whose advice I listen to from a medical perspective. So yeah, I can fire my doctor and find someone else If I choose.

I think what VA showed and what some other local races demonstrated was that ultimately public school teachers and administrators are public servants and while they report to the school board, they actually work for the taxpayer. The voter. McAuliffe forgot who his audience was. He thought he was talking to Youngkin and he told him what he really thought. What he found out was that taxpayers and voters were listening and they did not agree with what he said. So they hired Youngkin. I appears the voters and the taxpayers did in fact get the last word on this one.

The child is the primary responsibility of the parent. The parent has every right to have input and be heard on education. The school board can ignore that input at risk of their employment. That’s their choice. McAuliffe made his. VA voters made theirs. It would make for a good lesson in civics.

[gounion]

Last time I checked, I can still choose what doctors I go to and whose advice I listen to from a medical perspective. So yeah, I can fire my doctor and find someone else If I choose.

I think what VA showed and what some other local races demonstrated was that ultimately public school teachers and administrators are public servants and while they report to the school board, they actually work for the taxpayer. The voter. McAuliffe forgot who his audience was. He thought he was talking to Youngkin and he told him what he really thought. What he found out was that taxpayers and voters were listening and they did not agree with what he said. So they hired Youngkin. I appears the voters and the taxpayers did in fact get the last word on this one.

The child is the primary responsibility of the parent. The parent has every right to have input and be heard on education. The school board can ignore that input at risk of their employment. That’s their choice. McAuliffe made his. VA voters made theirs. It would make for a good lesson in civics.

So if parents want their children to be taught a flat earth, that's what teachers should do?

[ProfX]

Last time I checked, I can still choose what doctors I go to and whose advice I listen to from a medical perspective. So yeah, I can fire my doctor and find someone else If I choose.

No Joe, you don't get to choose to fire him if you don't like his medical advice. No. Yes, not listening, going to another doctor, 2nd opinions (or more), are all your prerogative, but that's different.

Unless, of course, it's malpractice and then it's a different situation, as I said.

I think what VA showed and what some other local races demonstrated was that ultimately public school teachers and administrators are public servants and while they report to the school board, they actually work for the taxpayer.

Not disputing that point. That doesn't mean they have to listen to every single taxpayer, making irrational demands. If there are 2 parents saying they want CRT removed from their kids' classroom, but 20 parents are more concerned about the quality of math instruction with some good suggestions on how to improve it, well, we know how democracy works, right?

The parent has every right to have input and be heard on education.

I said that. Every parent should be heard. That doesn't mean every parent should be listened to.

As I've said before, if they show up at a school board meeting and say they want some science topic removed from the curriculum because it makes their kids gay, the school board should smile, listen, and go on to the next parent.

If they are demanding something be removed from the curriculum that isn't there, it is not the school board's job to follow delusions.

I saw this interview where one of these guys in VA was asked if he knew what CRT was. He said no, but he didn't agree with it. Call me crazy Joe, but you should know what something actually is, before you can decide if you agree with it, or how or when it should be taught. I want to live in a society where we don't reward and promote ignorance. Guilty as charged.

[Bludogdem]

Chris Rufo is a lying ideologue who basically admitted on TV he lies about CRT to push a broader agenda which has nothing to do with it, per se.

Not only is he saying things about CRT he knows are not true, he said as much, in that same interview. He willingly engages in distortion about it to push a broader, RW education agenda.

Find a better source, that would be far more helpful.



I would have nuanced his position a bit. I said how. But for the most part, I fundamentally agree with it.

What is really arrogant is ignorant parents feeling they can dictate to educated teachers how to educate. Yes, that is my position. And I would not change it nor refuse to articulate it, though I am not running for office.

I have no problem with thoughtful, constructive parents offering constructive input on curriculum at PTAs etc. That's different from screaming nonsense and flinging agitprop spittle at school board meetings.

Allowing the ignorant to dictate the nature of education defeats the purpose.

All that being true, remember that these voters aren’t analyzing this the same as you. Doesn’t matter the source who found the the documents if they are real and the target audience aren’t deep thinkers.

Before McAuliffe made the CRT claim the claim should have been vetted. Take better care of the message when marketing to the average voter. Especially when it involves their kids.

[gounion]

All that being true, remember that these voters aren’t analyzing this the same as you. Doesn’t matter the source who found the the documents if they are real and the target audience aren’t deep thinkers.

Before McAuliffe made the CRT claim the claim should have been vetted. Take better care of the message when marketing to the average voter. Especially when it involves their kids.

How hilarious. Like you're on our side.

[Bludogdem]

Documents proving...?

And no, maybe it does not matter to you that you're being manipulated, but it does matter that you're repeating far-right propaganda by a deep-pockets far-right propagandist.



Show them.



Show them.



Link?



They were reading CRT at Lexis Nexis?

The link for the ABC news story has the links to the documents in the Va. Education Department.

[JoeMemphis]

No Joe, you don't get to choose to fire him if you don't like his medical advice. No. Yes, not listening, going to another doctor, 2nd opinions (or more), are all your prerogative, but that's different.

Unless, of course, it's malpractice and then it's a different situation, as I said.



Not disputing that point. That doesn't mean they have to listen to every single taxpayer, making irrational demands. If there are 2 parents saying they want CRT removed from their kids' classroom, but 20 parents are more concerned about the quality of math instruction with some good suggestions on how to improve it, well, we know how democracy works, right?



I said that. Every parent should be heard. That doesn't mean every parent should be listened to.

As I've said before, if they show up at a school board meeting and say they want some science topic removed from the curriculum because it makes their kids gay, the school board should smile, listen, and go on to the next parent.

If they are demanding something be removed from the curriculum that isn't there, it is not the school board's job to follow delusions.

I saw this interview where one of these guys in VA was asked if he knew what CRT was. He said no, but he didn't agree with it. Call me crazy Joe, but you should know what something actually is, before you can decide if you agree with it, or how or when it should be taught. I want to live in a society where we don't reward and promote ignorance. Guilty as charged.

Not going to mince words with you. When it comes to leadership, if the community does not like what it’s getting, they have every right to make changes. That’s what elections are all about.

This wasn’t just one or two parents advocating for flat earth. This was a statewide election and we all heard what McAuliffe said. I fully understand how he probably wishes he could have those words back. But the voters heard and they choose to give the job to someone else. I don’t think all those folks are ignorant flat earthers.

We want people to be involved in education. That’s what the teachers I know tell me year after year.

[gounion]

Not going to mince words with you. When it comes to leadership, if the community does not like what it’s getting, they have every right to make changes. That’s what elections are all about.

This wasn’t just one or two parents advocating for flat earth. This was a statewide election and we all heard what McAuliffe said. I fully understand how he probably wishes he could have those words back. But the voters heard and they choose to give the job to someone else. I don’t think all those folks are ignorant flat earthers.

We want people to be involved in education. That’s what the teachers I know tell me year after year.

CRT is the right's new flat earth. It's not real. But racist hate sure sells to white people scared of blacks.

Congratulations. That's how you won the election. I'm sure you're proud.

[carmenjonze]

The link for the ABC news story has the links to the documents in the Va. Education Department.

Hey bright eyes, I already covered this.

viewtopic.php?p=2665#p2665

viewtopic.php?p=2667#p2667

But you didn't answer the question. The question was, "Documents proving...?"

You are being manipulated.

[carmenjonze]

Not going to mince words with you.

White backlash sells because people like you have been conditioned into it your entire, ignorant lives.

[carmenjonze]

All that being true, remember that these voters aren’t analyzing this the same as you.

They're white backlashers. Of course they aren't.

The source matters very much, as does who is funding them.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly how ignorant conservative whites get politically exploited by your leadership, election after election, year after year, decade after decade, century after century.