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...and another holiday, joining Martin Luther King's Birthday, for conservatives to slur. Can't tell you how many times I heard it called "N****r Day" in my old shop back in the eighties and nineties.

But Juneteenth IS important. There's a great opinion piece on the CNN website, Juneteenth, as much as the Fourth of July, is America's true birthday
Juneteenth 2022 matters now more than ever. So far, we have only scratched the surface of what this holiday potentially allows all Americans to explore. I grew up listening to stories of Juneteenth in New York City from Black Texan transplants in the Big Apple. They made me understand, for the first time, the intimate links between the past and present.

As a federal holiday, Juneteenth now offers a window for Americans into understanding how the political is also personal. The Black folk who bled for democracy -- during and after the Civil War, across generations of racial injustice during a century of Jim Crow racial segregation, fighting heroically in World Wars, protesting on domestic battlefields for civil rights -- are as crucial to our national story as the heroes of the American Revolution. Their legacies surround us, opening a deeper faith in America's democratic values and history than the forces that would have us bury the past in order to control the future.

For now, the extraordinary and continuing crisis of race and democracy in America shows no signs of abating. The histories that are being suppressed by GOP legislation are, in fact, profoundly American ones.

The highest example of patriotism is not a sanitized version of American history, popularized after the Civil War in "Lost Cause" nostalgia that redefined a war to end slavery as a battle over states' rights -- glossing over racial violence, greed and exploitation of Black labor in favor of more sepia-toned images of a pastoral American landscape that in fact, never truly existed.

Yet the very fact that America now officially commemorates Juneteenth is still a sign of hopeful, if simultaneously fragile, racial progress. The first holiday in the nation's history that reckons directly with racial slavery and the Black contribution to American freedom, Juneteenth serves as an annual reminder of the enormous power and potential of a multiracial democracy that remains in many ways as fraught in our time as it was during Reconstruction.

As the nation prepares, in only four short years from now, to celebrate 250 years of independence, it is worth remembering that Juneteenth, as much as the Fourth of July, represents American democracy's true birthday.
Every step we make to move forward on race in America, you have forces on the right who want to reverse that progress, and even now they are attempting to ban teaching of our history.

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Haha I love all these dumb conservative whites complaining about MLK Day and CRT and whatever, but you can bet their confederate asses will be out here BBQing and getting paid like everyone else.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:18 am Haha I love all these dumb conservative whites complaining about MLK Day and CRT and whatever, but you can bet their confederate asses will be out here BBQing and getting paid like everyone else.
Is there ever a circumstance where the words dumb progressive blacks wouldn't be considered offensive
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:59 pm Is there ever a circumstance where the words dumb progressive blacks wouldn't be considered offensive
You’re such a victim. Don’t feel sorry for yourself you’re at the top of the food chain.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:14 pm You’re such a victim. Don’t feel sorry for yourself you’re at the top of the food chain.
So answer the question.
I do not feel myself to be a victim and I certainly do not feel sorry for myself. I also do not view mankind as a food chain.

However I do understand your comments. Because you consider whites to be the top of the food chain. You consider it ok for people to make ignorant bigoted comments about that group.

I don't know which is sadder. Those who live life filled with hatred. Or people like you who can't admit the emporer has no clothes
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:59 pm Is there ever a circumstance where the words dumb progressive blacks wouldn't be considered offensive
I don’t care what offends nightriders and other confederates. You don’t GAD that your entire way of life and everything about your violent history is offensive, so why should I. Though, I notice none of the things conservative whites have wrought on others, nor the things you guys are doing today, none of that offends you.

Your delicate Citizens Council sensibilities are only offended when African Americans talk about it.

That’s a special level of dumb.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:28 pm So answer the question.
I do not feel myself to be a victim and I certainly do not feel sorry for myself. I also do not view mankind as a food chain.

However I do understand your comments. Because you consider whites to be the top of the food chain. You consider it ok for people to make ignorant bigoted comments about that group.

I don't know which is sadder. Those who live life filled with hatred. Or people like you who can't admit the emporer has no clothes
Say, what will Lost Causers do on the Juneteenth holiday, besides go to the store and get some stuff to BBQ like everyone else.

I mean, you guys can’t get away with nightriding or running around torching the local Black part of town anymore. I guess piling into a UHaul to go shoot up a pride parade, or getting in the car to drive 300 miles to commit mass murder in a grocery store is the fashionable thing to do, now, dunno.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:43 pm Say, what will Lost Causers do on the Juneteenth holiday, besides go to the store and get some stuff to BBQ like everyone else.

I mean, you guys can’t get away with nightriding or running around torching the local Black part of town anymore. I guess piling into a UHaul to go shoot up a pride parade, or getting in the car to drive 300 miles to commit mass murder in a grocery store is the fashionable thing to do, now, dunno.
The legitimate elections ad the legitimate counting of votes and certification of elections will be the reason they attack in Nov.

The lie that has been proven to be so in SIXTY COURT CASES will be used in Nov and board cons will believe every word.

It really is time for patriots to think about what to do in November and after when inevitable issues occur.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:48 pm The legitimate elections ad the legitimate counting of votes and certification of elections will be the reason they attack in Nov.
Yes a free and fair vote has been considered an existential threat to these conservative whites SINCE the Juneteenth days (actually 1870, a few years later).

American history is littered with all the mass murder they committed over voting.
The lie that has been proven to be so in SIXTY COURT CASES will be used in Nov and board cons will believe every word.

It really is time for patriots to think about what to do in November and after when inevitable issues occur.
Protect ourselves and beat them back with the full force that they beat us, with the ONE thing that hurts their feelings the most: our vote.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:28 pm So answer the question.
I do not feel myself to be a victim and I certainly do not feel sorry for myself. I also do not view mankind as a food chain.

However I do understand your comments. Because you consider whites to be the top of the food chain. You consider it ok for people to make ignorant bigoted comments about that group.

I don't know which is sadder. Those who live life filled with hatred. Or people like you who can't admit the emporer has no clothes
Yes, you are ALWAYS the victim. You think the ONLY class of people in America that are discriminated against are white males. You don't think any minority face any discrimination.

You've never been discriminated against, you have no idea what it's like. But that's the one thing you live in fear of, that whites will someday no longer be the ruling class, and you'll have to share with everyone else.

You have no problem with your side making bigoted ignorant comments, and to pass bigoted ignorant laws. The GOP platform is nothing but hate. And you're fine with that.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:41 am Yes, you are ALWAYS the victim. You think the ONLY class of people in America that are discriminated against are white males. You don't think any minority face any discrimination.

You've never been discriminated against, you have no idea what it's like. But that's the one thing you live in fear of, that whites will someday no longer be the ruling class, and you'll have to share with everyone else.

You have no problem with your side making bigoted ignorant comments, and to pass bigoted ignorant laws. The GOP platform is nothing but hate. And you're fine with that.
Since you cannot talk about the actual question in a rational manner you resort to the old tried and true left wing talking points.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:18 am Since you cannot talk about the actual question in a rational manner you resort to the old tried and true left wing talking points.
The discussion is on Juneteenth. You’ve said nothing about it, instead play the victim.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:34 am Yes a free and fair vote has been considered an existential threat to these conservative whites SINCE the Juneteenth days (actually 1870, a few years later).

American history is littered with all the mass murder they committed over voting.



Protect ourselves and beat them back with the full force that they beat us, with the ONE thing that hurts their feelings the most: our vote.
Just read the state of TX GOP has declared:
Texas Republicans

This was all done at the state GOP convention

Adopted a resolution declaring homosexuality an “abnormal lifestyle choice.”
Called for a statewide referendum on secession from the United States.
Rebuked Sen. John Cornyn for working on a mild piece of gun safety legislation.
Declared Joe Biden wasn’t legitimately elected.
Described gender dysphoria as a mental illness.
Called for ending the federal income tax and abolishing the Federal Reserve.
Voted to end any legislative control over the “right to wear arms.”
Required school children to be taught that life begins at fertilization and to be shown ultrasound procedures, images of fetal development and other instruction buttressing opposition to abortion.
Called for repeal of the Voting Rights Act of 1965
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:18 am Since you cannot talk about the actual question in a rational manner you resort to the old tried and true left wing talking points.
Hey how do you suppose confederates, Republicans, and other WSs are going to spend tomorrow?
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Libertas wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:14 pm Just read the state of TX GOP has declared:
Saw that. viewtopic.php?p=28401#p28401

Republicans are WNs. Including the not-white ones.

We should start a thread of Republican objections to these TX GOP fascists.

It will be blank, but still.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:10 am The discussion is on Juneteenth. You’ve said nothing about it, instead play the victim.
Tomorrow, we’ll hear some mealy-mouth pablum from MGT and Ted Cruz and them, about how African Americans should be thanking our white saviors of the Republican Party.

We won’t hear a peep about the Radical Republicans, Dixiecrats who became Republicans, the murderous Confederate flag waving mob on Jan. 6th, or all the current neonazis, open white nationalists, it KKK/Citizens Council dupes in their party, now.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:51 pm Saw that. viewtopic.php?p=28401#p28401

Republicans are WNs. Including the not-white ones.

We should start a thread of Republican objections to these TX GOP fascists.

It will be blank, but still.
Here is the sick of it all...

My nephew who I was very close to way back in the day because he is closer to my age than not, is a rightwing trumper. But he loves me and wonders why we dont communicate. So I am wishing him Happy Father's Day today on FB, but we wont talk much after that and the day will come when he will have to tell me that it is my fault I am in jail or have a bullet in my leg because I wouldnt go along with the new order. :twisted:


Just looked at his FB, a picture of a kid with a gun saying "the commie libs aint taking my gun"
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Libertas wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:58 pm Here is the sick of it all...

My nephew who I was very close to way back in the day because he is closer to my age than not, is a rightwing trumper. But he loves me and wonders why we dont communicate. So I am wishing him Happy Father's Day today on FB, but we wont talk much after that and the day will come when he will have to tell me that it is my fault I am in jail or have a bullet in my leg because I wouldnt go along with the new order. :twisted:


Just looked at his FB, a picture of a kid with a gun saying "the commie libs aint taking my gun"
The flagrant vigilante violence is staggering. Please protect yourself.
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philip lewis
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My favorite #Juneteenth video

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1538542047090688000
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:03 am philip lewis
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My favorite #Juneteenth video

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1538542047090688000
I like the cowboys! :)
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Libertas wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:09 am I like the cowboys! :)
Yes! It’s fun because my stylist is really into going to Black Rodeo out here, and I’ve learned a ton from her about it.

Whoever put this whole thing together..it’s so great.
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The Freedmens Bureau Records - Smithsonian
History of the Freedmen's Bureau

Congress established the Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen and Abandoned Lands in 1865 to assist in the reconstruction of the South and to aid formerly enslaved individuals transition to freedom and citizenship. Administered by the War Department, the Bureau followed the department’s war-inspired record-keeping system. These handwritten records include letters, labor contracts, lists of food rations issued, indentures of apprenticeship, marriage and hospital registers and census lists. They provide a unique view into the lives of newly freed individuals and the social conditions of the South after the war.

The Bureau was responsible for providing assistance to four million formerly enslaved individuals and hundreds of thousands of impoverished Southern whites. The Bureau provided food, clothing, medical care, and legal representation; promoted education; helped legalize marriages; and assisted African American soldiers and sailors in securing back pay, enlistment bounties, and pensions. In addition, the Bureau promoted a system of labor contracts to replace the slavery system and tried to settle freedmen and women on abandoned or confiscated land. The Bureau was also responsible for protecting freedmen and women from intimidation and assaults by Southern whites. The Bureau set up offices in major cities in the 15 Southern and border states and the District of Columbia. Under-funded by Congress and opposed by President Andrew Johnson, the Bureau only operated between 1865 and 1872.

The Freedmen’s Bureau plays a key role in the Museum’s Slavery and Freedom and Defending Freedom, Defining Freedom: The Era of Segregation, 1877-1968 exhibitions. In these exhibitions, the Freedmen’s Bureau provides a backdrop against which we see African Americans resisting white efforts to deny them “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The Freedmen’s Bureau records are also featured in an Interactive exhibition in the Robert Frederick Smith Explore Your Family History Center on the Museum’s second floor.
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This is really cool

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Juneteenth & the Solomon Sir Jones Films

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https://twitter.com/BeineckeLibrary/sta ... 5060825091

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Solomon Sir Jones was an interesting guy.


Solomon Sir Jones Films, 1924-1928
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Solomon Sir Jones (1869-1936)

Solomon Sir Jones, Baptist minister, businessman, and amateur filmmaker. Jones was born in Tennessee to parents who had once been enslaved. He grew up in the South before moving to Oklahoma in 1889. Jones became an influential Baptist minister, building and pastoring fifteen churches. He was head of the Boyd Faction of Negro Baptists in America and was a successful businessman.
You can own these (I do) - they're a part of the Pioneers in African-American Cinema collection from Kino Lorber https://www.amazon.com/Pioneers-African ... B01EME1XUU
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Was watching this movie Harriett from 2019 and thinking about the overriding emotions that feeling of joy in reckoning and affirming what was true all along but somehow covered hidden humanity and dignity of a people and at the same time, the feeling of doom around the people that had entrusted leveraged all on the hiding of that humanity dignity and as it unraveled around them the anger the terror they must have felt in no longer being able sustain their way of life. A righteous joy a righteously pending doom and in it an abiding hope in which way to go from now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZcEuzbjkcQ
recast themselves as the victims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7uQOVjNlAk
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