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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-d ... bbc-2022-7

Trump documentary maker says he now has 2 armed guards for protection after he gave evidence to January 6 committee
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No job shortage for private security guards, that's for sure. That woman who testified last week should probably go into the Witness Protection Program right about now.
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ZoWie wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:45 pm No job shortage for private security guards, that's for sure. That woman who testified last week should probably go into the Witness Protection Program right about now.
They have made it clear she was being threatened, by trump and team.

Watch, not ONE con here will denounce it.
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I think we're going to see some investigation of witness tampering, if they can prove anything.

They certainly have proof that election officials were threatened and intimidated.
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ZoWie wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:48 pm I think we're going to see some investigation of witness tampering, if they can prove anything.

They certainly have proof that election officials were threatened and intimidated.
Remarkable to watch millions, tens of millions actually, of Americans (including the cons here) with NOTHING to say when it is shown that trump and team are doing this...Not a word out of them.

This is why calling them traitors is not an exaggeration. Which basic foundation of our country do they still support? Rule of law is certainly not one. This gives aid and comfort to their leader's boss, Putin...
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Libertas wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:38 pm https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-d ... bbc-2022-7




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Armed guards protecting Comey-Barrett's home from protestors turning violent.
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Plus they LIE about patriots protesting with violence...

Save your breath, you have joined the group that is declaring war on America. The group that will end voting in red states next year, etc.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:59 pm Plus they LIE about patriots protesting with violence...

Save your breath, you have joined the group that is declaring war on America. The group that will end voting in red states next year, etc.
About a dozen right to life centers attacked and burned.
Attempt made on Kavanaugh's life
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:58 pm Armed guards protecting Comey-Barrett's home from protestors turning violent.
List the actual violent acts committed by the otherwise peaceful protesters outside Justice A-CB's home.
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ProfX wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:05 pm List the actual violent acts committed by the otherwise peaceful protesters outside Justice A-CB's home.
Take away the armed guards. Fact is protesters at a private residence is just plain wrong.
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You're entitled to that opinion. As long as they are on public property (i.e. a public sidewalk) and not on her property, what they are doing is lawful.

Is it "wrong"? I'm against burning crosses and doing things that are frightening and terrifying, especially if children are at home. Otherwise, I'm not so sure what's so wrong with it.

The law does not say you cannot protest outside somebody's home, as long as the protest is peaceful and orderly. Might also be some noise ordinances that apply. My guess is they can't blow loud horns and other stuff after 10 PM.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:38 pm https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-d ... bbc-2022-7




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June 2017 progressive attacks Republican baseball practice. Had he knew how to fire a weapon there would have been a dozen or more killed.
What I am doing is just showing there are deranged people from all sides and we need to oppose all violence.
As opposed to pretending one side has a monopoly on it
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ProfX wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:12 pm You're entitled to that opinion. As long as they are on public property (i.e. a public sidewalk) and not on her property, what they are doing is lawful.

Is it "wrong"? I'm against burning crosses and doing things that are frightening and terrifying, especially if children are at home. Otherwise, I'm not so sure what's so wrong with it.
Yes exactly those protesters are wrong. The only reason to protect ay a private residence is to intimidate people
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I believe the point of protest is to make your displeasure with policy and rulings known with the persons and parties issuing them.

I don't see why this means you are forbidden from doing so if the person is at home or in a restaurant.

That said, you cannot harass them, and I do recognize the difference, that is not allowed.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:14 pm Yes exactly those protesters are wrong. The only reason to protect ay a private residence is to intimidate people




Let's see you denounce what was done by that redneck Bannon's people to that Georgia poll worker and her mother! I bet you and your kind have no problem with it and probably think they had it coming! Also the man outside the rapist Kavanaugh's house was on public property, had an empty gun, and called the cops on himself!
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Threats against justices, supreme or otherwise are not uncommon nor are they anything new.

The Justices themselves decide what kind of security they get but routinely get protection in Washington, domestically, and while traveling.

Obviously, I think we can all agree that threatening anyone's life is egregious.

While the justices may accept that it comes with the territory, being public figures and in a position of power. Witnesses are not public figures and not in positions of power, thus it isn't quite the same. Getting threats is something foreign to them.

Congresscritters are also public figures and in positions of power. I don't believe anyone would argue that the members of the committee are getting a steady stream of threats.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:03 pm About a dozen right to life centers attacked and burned.
Attempt made on Kavanaugh's life
Still waiting on where you get this information.

Remember: the question is where you get your information.

Link your sources, please.
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There should be no way in which peaceful protest outside of the homes of public officials, which include justices, should be conflated with violent death threats against witnesses - which is also witness tampering, an additional crime. Of course I am against death threats against justices, and whatever that nut was doing outside Kavanaugh's home, he had nothing to do with pro-choice organizations or demonstrations.

I think it's practically a textbook case of apples and oranges.

Oh, and BTW, anti-choice protesters have been protesting outside the homes of clinic workers and ob-gyns who perform abortions for decades. And those folks are NOT public figures. So I will make one clarification: what SCOTUS has said is cities can ban residential picketing, as long as those bans are not too "over-broad"; however, in the absence of such bans, the practice is lawful and protected by the 1st amendment.

BTW, Jane's Revenge attacked crisis pregnancy centers. I want to be clear, no I am not justifying the attacks, didn't before and am not doing so now. However, many of these centers don't just "advocate pro life beliefs"; they pretend to give information about pregnancy options for pregnant women, but are organized by design to deceptively make sure they steer the women away from abortion as an option and have been caught giving false info about abortions to them (if they mention at all).

However, unlike Jane's Revenge - I don't think vandalism and violence is the answer ... should also note NARAL, PP, and most choice organizations, once again, have condemned their actions.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:46 pm Still waiting on where you get this information.

Remember: the question is where you get your information.

Link your sources, please.
It is called Google. Simply Google right to life center burned. As for the attempt on Kavanaugh's life that was all over the news

.https://nypost.com/2022/06/25/christian ... -reversal/

Here is one there are many more. I find it hard to believe that you haven't heard about these domestic terrorist attacks.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:21 am It is called Google. Simply Google right to life center burned. As for the attempt on Kavanaugh's life that was all over the news

.https://nypost.com/2022/06/25/christian ... -reversal/

Here is one there are many more. I find it hard to believe that you haven't heard about these domestic terrorist attacks.
Repeating; what is YOUR source for YOUR claim.

Pointing me to Google says nothing about where YOU got YOUR info.

Link to where you got this from, please.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:21 am It is called Google. Simply Google right to life center burned. As for the attempt on Kavanaugh's life that was all over the news
“All over the news” is not a valid source.

Where do YOU get YOUR news for this story?
Rupert Murdoch nooz is where you get this from.

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To repeat a point I've made, while the mentally ill are rarely violent criminals, sometimes ...

Nicholas John Roske, Brett Kavanaugh Suspect: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
https://heavy.com/news/nicholas-john-roske/

Roske is accused of saying that he was “thinking about how to give his life a purpose and decided that he would kill the Supreme Court Justice after finding the Justice’s Montgomery County address on the Internet.”

The affidavit alleges that, when Roske got out of the taxicab that stopped in front of Kavanaugh’s residence, he looked at two deputy U.S. Marshals who were standing next to their parked vehicle and then turned to walk down the street.

Shortly thereafter, a man who said he was Nicholas John Roske called the Montgomery County Emergency Communications Center and said he was “having suicidal thoughts and had a firearm in his suitcase,” according to the allegations in the complaint.

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According to CNN, he told the judge he had taken medication he did not specify.

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On Facebook, where the suspect went by the name Nick Eddie Roske, he posted only a few pictures of himself. No political posts were visible. One of the 64 people on his friend’s list confirmed that Nicholas Roske used the name Eddie in high school and was the same person as the suspect pictured above. On Facebook, the suspect indicated an interest in the America’s Army videogame, Minecraft, and Stephen King.

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The memo reported that threats were coming from people both opposed to and supportive of abortion.

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I don't know what was going on in the man's head. He wanted to give his life purpose? All I can say is Msr. Roske, there are other ways. I can say if you're going to try and kill somebody, it isn't a good plan to call the authorities first and tell them you're about to do so.

He had no connections to any pro-choice organizations or "left" movements. Rarely posted anything political.

However:

‘I Need Psychiatric Help’: California Man Charged with Targeting Brett Kavanaugh Told 911 Dispatcher He’d Previously ‘Been Hospitalized Multiple Times’
https://lawandcrime.com/supreme-court/i ... ple-times/

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Roske confirmed that he planned to hurt or kill himself as well. The phone call either cut out for a second or was redacted in the publicly available recording, but federal court records separately say Roske planned to kill himself.

“I didn’t think I could get away with it,” Roske explained when asked to describe his desire to hurt himself. “And, also, I’ve been, for a long time, I’ve been hospitalized multiple times.”

[snip]

Roske also said he had been “diagnosed” with something, but again, the phone call either dropped out or was redacted when he began to explain himself.

[snip][end]

I suspect Roske may possibly have embellished, but I don't doubt he had had previous contact with the mental healthcare system.

To me, this looks like an attempt at "suicide by cop," with his attempt to trigger it being "poorly thought out plan to make it look like I'm trying to kill a SCOTUS Justice". (It's not even clear Kavanaugh was home at the time. He might have checked that, first.)
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:13 pm June 2017 progressive attacks Republican baseball practice.
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Had he knew how to fire a weapon there would have been a dozen or more killed.
:? pure speculation.

You keep bringing this up without acknowledging that the person who saved David Duke Without the Baggage's life is Black, lesbian, and gay-married. Wonder why that is. This is what actually happened.

Despite Being Gunned Down at Baseball Practice and Saved by a Lesbian Cop, Rep. Steve Scalise Is Still Pro-Gun and Anti-LGBTQ - Vogue

What's interesting is that you white cons simply don't see your anti-LGBTQ policies and anti-minority histories as suppressing and victimizing others.

You're the perpetual victims, even of this person who saved this dumb fascist's life.

Right?
What I am doing is just showing there are deranged people from all sides and we need to oppose all violence.
As opposed to pretending one side has a monopoly on it
Well no, what you're doing is classic whuddabbouttery.

And yes, conservative whites in this country have absolutely cornered the market on political for 403 years. You guys's physical violence against everyone else is bad enough. And then there is all that legislative, policy, social, and genocidal violence.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:03 pm About a dozen right to life centers attacked and burned.
Source?
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