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MAGA Institute Honors Sheriffs Who Defy Laws They Don’t Like - Daily Beast
The Claremont Institute’s new “sheriffs fellows” have vowed not to enforce pandemic restrictions, vaccine mandates, gun laws—and basically any other laws they disagree with

The MAGA think tank at the vanguard of pro-Trump public intellectuals is recruiting sheriffs with ties to the far right and a dubious devotion to the “rule of law” to be academic “fellows” as part of a new program launched by the conservative institute this week.

The Claremont Institute, a far-right research group that’s home to a number of former Trump administration officials, announced a new crop of eight “sheriffs fellows” selected from across the country on the basis of their “character, aptitude, accomplishments, zeal, and community reputation” to visit Claremont’s California campus and study a syllabus of standard conservative political catechism.

The coursework, Claremont says, is fairly anodyne—lectures on Locke, the Federalist Papers, and English legal history—but the Institute’s choice of students is far more radical. Of the eight fellows announced this week, six have some affiliation with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA), an organization labeled as an anti-government extremist group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center for its endorsement of the idea that sheriffs can pick and choose which laws to enforce based on their own personal beliefs about what the Constitution allows.
The constitutional sheriffs movement arose in the 1970s and ’80s in the wake of the farm crisis, when plunging land and agricultural commodity prices forced parts of rural America into poverty and swelled the ranks of extremist vigilante movements, says Burghart. In the years since, the idea of a “constitutional sheriff” who could nullify federal laws and create “posses” of like-minded civilians to stiffen that resistance has grown in times of anti-government sentiment, including the militia movement of the 1990s and the Tea Party of the 2010s.

While the constitutional sheriffs movement drew its strength from the backlash to gun-control measures in the 1990s, the current incarnation of the movement is focused on undermining COVID-19 public health restrictions—an issue Claremont’s chosen fellows seized on.

Sheriff Mark Lamb, for example, is a newly minted sheriff fellow from Arizona’s Pinal County and a favorite of both Fox News bookers and former President Trump himself. Lamb, an avowed constitutional sheriff, became a right-wing celebrity when he publicly vowed not to enforce Republican Gov. Doug Ducey’s stay at home order in early 2020. Lamb subsequently tested positive for COVID-19 after he was invited to the Trump White House for a press event with law enforcement but the infection hasn’t changed his attitude. He’s since taken to Fox News to state that he will refuse to enforce any state or federal vaccine mandate.
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Can’t reform this.

Torrance police traded racist, homophobic texts. It could jeopardize hundreds of cases - LA Times
The caption read “hanging with the homies.”

The picture above it showed several Black men who had been lynched.

Another photo asked what someone should do if their girlfriend was having an affair with a Black man. The answer, according to the caption, was to break “a tail light on his car so the police will stop him and shoot him.”

Someone else sent a picture of a candy cane, a Christmas tree ornament, a star for the top of the tree and an “enslaved person.”

“Which one doesn’t belong?” the caption asked.

“You don’t hang the star,” someone wrote back.

The comments represent a sliver of a trove of racist text messages exchanged by more than a dozen current and former Torrance police officers and recruits.

Through interviews with sources with direct knowledge of the investigation, public records requests and a review of district attorney’s office records, The Times examined some of the contents of the until-now secret texts and identified a dozen Torrance police officers under investigation for exchanging them.
More in link.
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https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/06/ ... nneapolis/
Minnesota National Guard Soldiers Activated, Ready To Respond To Unrest In Minneapolis
MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Minnesota National Guard soldiers are on standby and prepared to respond to any civil unrest in Minneapolis, where tensions have risen since the fatal police shooting of a Black man in Uptown earlier this month and the death of a protester in the neighborhood over the weekend.

Lt. Col. Scott Hawks said Wednesday that 100 soldiers with the 257th MPs have been activated to respond to any unrest in the city. While the troops are not currently in Minneapolis, they are prepared to respond if needed.

The activation comes after Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey sent a formal request Wednesday to Gov. Tim Walz, asking that Minnesota National Guard assets be available to “assist in ensuring calm and order throughout the city.”

The mayor specifically asked that the soldiers work in teams with Minneapolis police, focusing on property protection and traffic.
[bold]Looks like Frey isn't going to make the same mistake twice.
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bradman wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:08 am https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/06/ ... nneapolis/
Minnesota National Guard Soldiers Activated, Ready To Respond To Unrest In Minneapolis


[bold]Looks like Frey isn't going to make the same mistake twice.
This article is from June.
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Sorry, f'd that one up.......


https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/12/ ... ic-safety/
Gov. Walz Prepares National Guard Amid Kim Potter Trial
MINNEAPOLS (WCCO) — Gov. Tim Walz says he is preparing the Minnesota National Guard to provide public safety assistance if necessary during the trial of Kim Potter.

The mobilization to readiness follows a request made by the city of Brooklyn Center and Hennepin County, said the release Wednesday.
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bradman wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:48 am Sorry, f'd that one up.......
They all look alike, we get it.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/12/ ... ic-safety/
Gov. Walz Prepares National Guard Amid Kim Potter Trial
How come so many of your cops kill unarmed Black people?
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Kim Potter with all those infamous karen tears is going to walk, by the way.
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bradman wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:48 am Sorry, f'd that one up.......
Can't reform this.

POLICE SCORECARD: Minneapolis
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:37 pm Can't reform this.

POLICE SCORECARD: Minneapolis
As long as the vast majority of brutality is aimed at POC and Gay people, white people will ignore the problem.
I sigh in your general direction.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:38 pm As long as the vast majority of brutality is aimed at POC and Gay people, white people will ignore the problem.
A few won't, most will.

It's not even a problem, to them.

We are the problem, to them.

The job of the police, to them, is to eliminate the problem.
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Can't reform this.

$432M budget a year $4M spent on police misconduct settlements.

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POLICE SCORECARD: San Francisco

$706M budget, $3M spent on police misconduct settlements.

Can't reform this.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:50 pm POLICE SCORECARD: San Francisco

$706M budget, $3M spent on police misconduct settlements.

Can't reform this.
And they are using the current crime waves to complain that the public doesn’t support them. Almost like a threat
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Libertas wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:52 pm And they are using the current crime waves to complain that the public doesn’t support them. Almost like a threat
Lol what current crime waves are they whining about?

They should be glad for crime waves. Exercise is good for all those donuts.
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bradman wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:48 am Sorry, f'd that one up.......


https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/12/ ... ic-safety/
Gov. Walz Prepares National Guard Amid Kim Potter Trial
Another very difficult trial for a jury to decide.
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:51 pm Another very difficult trial for a jury to decide.
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:51 pm Another very difficult trial for a jury to decide.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, so much for conservatives being for personal responsibility.
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gounion wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:56 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, so much for conservatives being for personal responsibility.
Reductio ad Absurdum.
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:05 pm Reductio ad Absurdum.
What's absurd is a cop not knowing the difference between a taser and a gun.

Reminds me of the movie "Intolerable Cruelty" that had a goon with asthma. He accidentally aimed the inhaler at some guys and took a huff on his gun.

The cop is responsible for her actions.
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gounion wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:56 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, so much for conservatives being for personal responsibility.
Conservative white concept of personal responsibility: Personal responsibility is for the chicks and the niggers and the sp##s. Buford and Cleitus and Jared and Bryce get to infect and impregnate and kick around anyone Buford and Cleitus and Jared and Bryce want.

Anything else infringes on their freedumbs.
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You Rittenhouse supporters around here are party to this.

US Protest Law Tracker - International Center for Non-Profit Law
45 states have considered 240 bills

36 enacted

50 pending
Your defenses of this person make these laws possible. Conservative whites have wanted these types of laws for the past 60 years, at least.

So, congratulations on that.
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gounion wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:18 pm What's absurd is a cop not knowing the difference between a taser and a gun.

Reminds me of the movie "Intolerable Cruelty" that had a goon with asthma. He accidentally aimed the inhaler at some guys and took a huff on his gun.

The cop is responsible for her actions.
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https://www.aele.org/law/2012all06/2012-06MLJ101.pdf
Weapon Confusion and Civil Liability
• Introduction
• Drawing and firing the wrong weapon
• List of Taser confusion instances
• Some suggestions
• Resources
• References and images
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 List of Taser confusion instances*
The following is a description of nine cases involving the mistaken use of a handgun by
officers who intended to use their Taser, occurring between 2001 and 2009.
1. March 2001. A Sacramento, CA police officer intended to fire an M26 Taser at a
resisting handcuffed suspect in the back seat of a police car. Instead, he drew and
fired his handgun, wounding the suspect. (Strong-side leg holster, strong-hand draw).
2. September 2002. A Rochester, MN police officer intended to fire an M26Taser at a
resisting suspect. Instead, he drew and fired his handgun, wounding the suspect.
(Strong-side cargo pocket, strong-hand draw).
3. October 2002. A Madera, CA police officer intended to fire an M26 Taser at a
resisting handcuffed suspect in the back seat who was attempting to kick out the
window of the police car. Instead, she drew and fired her handgun, killing the suspect.
(Strong-side leg holster, strong-hand draw).
4. October 2003. A Somerset County, MD deputy sheriff intended to fire an M26 Taser
at a fleeing warrant suspect. Instead, he drew and fired his handgun, wounding the
suspect. (Strong-side leg holster, strong-hand draw).
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5. May 2004. A Mesa, AZ police officer intended to fire an M26 Taser at a resisting
suspect. Instead, he drew and fired his handgun, wounding the suspect. (Strong-hand
cross-draw).
6. September 2005. A Victoria, BC constable intended to fire an X26 Taser at a resisting
suspect. Instead, he drew and fired his handgun, wounding the suspect. (Strong-side
cargo pocket, strong-hand draw).
7. June 2006. A Kitsap County, WA deputy sheriff intended to fire an M26 Taser at a
suspect. Instead, she drew and fired her handgun, wounding the suspect. (Strong-side
holster, strong-hand draw).
8. April 2008. A Nicholasville, KY police officer intended to fire an M26 Taser at a
suspect. Instead, he drew and fired his handgun, wounding the suspect. (Strong-hand
cross-draw).
9. January 2009. A BART police officer in Oakland, CA intended to fire an X26 Taser
at a resisting suspect who was prone and refused to give up his arm for handcuffing.
Instead, he drew and fired his handgun, killing the suspect. (Strong-hand cross-draw).
* Compiled by Capt. Greg Meyer, LAPD Police Academy (Ret.)
 Some Suggestions

One of the suggestions not mentioned, Taser companies could switch Tasers to a thumb trigger.
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So, Brad, you're saying that the cop isn't responsible for her own actions? Yes or no?
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:51 pm Another very difficult trial for a jury to decide.
Doesn't help that it's being tried in the court of public opinion.

Because of that, my guess, small chance she'll be acquitted. More likely, Involuntary manslaughter. With good behavior, out in in a year, with upwards of 5 years probation.
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bradman wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:34 am Doesn't help that it's being tried in the court of public opinion.

Because of that, my guess, small chance she'll be acquitted. More likely, Involuntary manslaughter. With good behavior, out in in a year, with upwards of 5 years probation.
So would a case being tried before a jury - made up from "the public" mean all cases are tried before the "court of public opinion", right?

What's your point?
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