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Libertas wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:24 pm AS I educate myself on CRT, it reminds me a bit of Al Franken. He was accused of something he did not do by someone literally working for rightwing fascists. Anyone who knows him, including Randi Rhodes, will assure you he did not stick his tongue down the throat of ANY Woman other than his wife. But that truth didnt matter because righty is despicable. It does not matter what CRT actually is, once the right LIED about what it is and where it is taught or NOT, it was all over.
CRT is not at all comparable to Al Franken. Al Franken resigned and said "investigate me." Tmk no investigation ever happened. Completely different situation.

CRT has been around since the late 70s and is a whole field of study with a large body of work/writings over the decades. There's nothing to investigate and no issues of sexual misconduct.
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:31 pm CRT is not at all comparable to Al Franken. Al Franken resigned and said "investigate me." Tmk no investigation ever happened. Completely different situation.

CRT has been around since the late 70s and is a whole field of study with a large body of work/writings over the decades. There's nothing to investigate and no issues of sexual misconduct.
I guess I meant the use of the issue by the right, where there is no issue in the first place, more or less. But I stand corrected.
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:27 pm Of course it's fine for a watercarrier for noose-knotters.
“When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.” -- Herman Wouk
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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:39 pm “When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.” -- Herman Wouk
Except nobody here is running around screaming or shouting.

Nobody around here is in danger or doubt, either. Is this the best rationalization you’ve got for your white conservatism?
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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:03 pm Montana hasn't ever been anything but a red state. At least not for more than 30 years.

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They do what Virginia does, often voting in a Democrat for their Governor opposite of what the party is who is holding the Presidency at that time. They usually have one Democrat and one Republican senator as well so they can scoop up additional pork all the time. But that doesn't make them anything but Red, they're just a bit smarter about voting strategically, sucking up that extra pork for their state. They play both ends against the middle.

Virginia hasn't done anything unusual. They've continued to do what they always do going back all the way to the time of Ronald Reagan.

This wasn't an upset, it was just their way. A predictable outcome.

Good bet those Montana Democratic office holders are in the Blue Dog arena
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:46 pm Except nobody here is running around screaming or shouting.

Nobody around here is in danger or doubt, either. Is this the best rationalization you’ve got for your white conservatism?
There are a couple people saying "defund the police" often though trying to imply our candidates approve or more importantly that it is in the DNC platform which it is NOT and never has been.

Personally, I think we should fire every cop anywhere in America and rehire them using an entirely new method of screening, do it over 3 yrs so you lose no numbers in force. What percentage of cops existing today would be rehired if they had to show they were not racists or bigoted of violent?

I am guessing about 35%.
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Libertas wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:50 pm There are a couple people saying "defund the police" often though trying to imply our candidates approve or more importantly that it is in the DNC platform which it is NOT and never has been.

Personally, I think we should fire every cop anywhere in America and rehire them using an entirely new method of screening, do it over 3 yrs so you lose no numbers in force. What percentage of cops existing today would be rehired if they had to show they were not racists or bigoted of violent?

I am guessing about 35%.
Yes I am totally for defunding/repealing/replacing But it’s not a viable matter in the two-party system.

These conservative whites are just looking for a pretext to jerk their knees, even if they have to make it up. Their main pi’s that they’re pro-police violence, police unions, police killings, and police brutality.
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Libertas wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:50 pm There are a couple people saying "defund the police" often though trying to imply our candidates approve or more importantly that it is in the DNC platform which it is NOT and never has been.

Personally, I think we should fire every cop anywhere in America and rehire them using an entirely new method of screening, do it over 3 yrs so you lose no numbers in force. What percentage of cops existing today would be rehired if they had to show they were not racists or bigoted of violent?

I am guessing about 35%.
My thought on that is to stick to mandate that they get vaccinated or get fired. I would imagine that alone would largely clean out most of the ones we want to be removed.
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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:11 pm My thought on that is to stick to mandate that they get vaccinated or get fired. I would imagine that alone would largely clean out most of the ones we want to be removed.
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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:11 pm My thought on that is to stick to mandate that they get vaccinated or get fired. I would imagine that alone would largely clean out most of the ones we want to be removed.
Not really. They don't put their money where their mouth is. NYC only had to put, like, 43 cops on leave. In the end, they don't let it affect their paycheck.
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:18 pm?
We : I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you —used as pronoun of the first person plural
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Dictionaries are useful.
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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:25 pmDictionaries are useful.
Your paternalism and misoginoir tells what you are.

What do YOU mean by “we?”

You’re too good for the rest of us, remember?
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Libertas wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:50 pm There are a couple people saying "defund the police" often though trying to imply our candidates approve or more importantly that it is in the DNC platform which it is NOT and never has been.
I'm not for defunding the police because that's a misnomer. It's about ensuring they have actual resources to do their job, make them accountable for when they're wrong or do wrong, and to provide funding for services to assist the police like sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, etc.. to assist the police to deescalate incidents.
Personally, I think we should fire every cop anywhere in America and rehire them using an entirely new method of screening, do it over 3 yrs so you lose no numbers in force. What percentage of cops existing today would be rehired if they had to show they were not racists or bigoted of violent?

I am guessing about 35%.
If you fire 1/3 of the cops every year you still lose 1/3 of the cops and there's no guarantee they'll want to be rehired by the same department. New hires from other departments will have to be trained on local police departments policies and procedures meaning they'll be teamed with a veteran cop for an interim period of time.

How would you, as a person in the city who hires police determine if someone is a racist, bigot, or violent?
How would you, as a cop seeking to be hired, prove you're not a racist, bigoted, or violent?
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Number6 wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:15 pm I'm not for defunding the police because that's a misnomer. It's about ensuring they have actual resources to do their job, make them accountable for when they're wrong or do wrong, and to provide funding for services to assist the police like sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, etc.. to assist the police to deescalate incidents.


If you fire 1/3 of the cops every year you still lose 1/3 of the cops and there's no guarantee they'll want to be rehired by the same department. New hires from other departments will have to be trained on local police departments policies and procedures meaning they'll be teamed with a veteran cop for an interim period of time.

How would you, as a person in the city who hires police determine if someone is a racist, bigot, or violent?
How would you, as a cop seeking to be hired, prove you're not a racist, bigoted, or violent?
The entire institution is racist, bigoted, and violent. The horrendous performance of PD after PD is the result of at least 30 years of reforms after Rodney King.

This can’t be reformed.
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:27 pm The entire institution is racist, bigoted, and violent. The horrendous performance of PD after PD is the result of at least 30 years of reforms after Rodney King.

This can’t be reformed.
So, what's the solution?
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Number6 wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:45 pm So, what's the solution?
There isn’t one single solution because it’s an impacted, multifaceted problem with deep historic roots.

It’s a waste of time trying to find out whether some yahoo in uniform is individually “a racist,” or whatever.

Even the FBI understands that there is a serious and very dangerous problem of white supremacists and white nationalists in law enforcement. But the larger culture is in deep denial of not just that particular problem. Oath Keepers and other militia types tried to overthrow the government at the beginning of the year. It’s also an issue the military.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:47 pm Good bet those Montana Democratic office holders are in the Blue Dog arena
Most midwestern Democrats - many Blue Dogs - wouldn't be recognized as Democrats in many heavily populated areas. My parents were lifelong Democrats and their politics parted ways with the politics of the party sometime in the late 80s.

South Dakota had three Democrats in D.C. not too many years ago and I voted for all of them. I believe it will be quite a while before another SD(D) get sent to D.C.
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:54 pm There isn’t one single solution because it’s an impacted, multifaceted problem with deep historic roots.
If, as you put it, "The entire institution is racist, bigoted, and violent" then what steps are needed to reform the police department.
It’s a waste of time trying to find out whether some yahoo in uniform is individually “a racist,” or whatever.
I don't think there should be a department examining every cop's social media, utterings, etc., to see if they're racist, bigoted, or violent. However, someone in the police department or preferably within city government should be responsible when allegations of such are made against a cop.
Even the FBI understands that there is a serious and very dangerous problem of white supremacists and white nationalists in law enforcement. But the larger culture is in deep denial of not just that particular problem. Oath Keepers and other militia types tried to overthrow the government at the beginning of the year. It’s also an issue the military.
I agree there is a problem but just keeping repeating that it's a problem without offering a solution does nothing to correct the problem.
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Number6 wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:05 pm If, as you put it, "The entire institution is racist, bigoted, and violent" then what steps are needed to reform the police department.


I don't think there should be a department examining every cop's social media, utterings, etc., to see if they're racist, bigoted, or violent. However, someone in the police department or preferably within city government should be responsible when allegations of such are made against a cop.


I agree there is a problem but just keeping repeating that it's a problem without offering a solution does nothing to correct the problem.
Correcting the problem starts with understanding that it’s not just one simple problem with one simple solution.
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New York State Democratic Party Didn't Fund Proposals to Increase Voting Access

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Trump-loving Florida congressional candidate is a convicted felon who's not eligible to hold office: report

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