ZoWie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:39 pm
Check the numbers. The experts agreed on limiting the damage to 1.5 degrees C as the only alternative to disaster, and counseled immediate action before we got there.
We're there. In fact, we're past there. It came sooner. Self-accelerating processes are like this. Read up on chaos math and positive feedback loops and get back to me.
If you weren't convinced by the weather in the past year, you must be living in an underground bomb shelter.
There is no more waiting. It's do or die time. We'll be behind the power curve soon, and will only be left with waiting until the ground rushes up and kills us.
But we also have over 50 years of similar dooms day predictions which never happened.
So why are these legit But those bogus
Nobody's 100% right. I figure 50% is a good day for me.
Yes, we get warned about a whole lot of things. Computer geeks warned us that a bug in the Unix calendar would end Western civilization on midnight New Year's Eve when the years rolled over from the 1900s to the 2000s. Computers were patched, the time came, and nothing happened.
Here's the problem. You can't get people's attention by calling something a problem. There are too many of these. I would much rather just do defense in depth and make whatever adjustments I deem prudent.
Actually, it wasn't warnings from "experts" that convinced me on climate, any more than I thought Y2K would do us in. It's the weather. It hasn't been normal in a year, pretty much everywhere. It's behaving exactly as one would expect from a system far from equilibrium, and when any system gets that far out, the outcome is rarely predictable but potentially catastrophic. Even that would not be enough to convince me, except that it is happening right on schedule and precisely as we were warned it would happen.
In other words, better safe than sorry. We have some minimal evidence, and whether it's right or wrong is something we can't know yet. Let's spend the money on climate and see what happens. It will create millions of good paying skilled jobs for people right here in the US, and in general it beats spending it all on band-aid solutions like fortifying the border.
The funds and the expertise are there, but there needs to be a dramatic shift in priorities away from fighting over things like whether people should emigrate. We need to address the reasons why millions of people chuck their entire lives and leave home for an uncertain future. No one with a successful life at home is going to do that. One big cause, not the only one, is crop failures, and the direct cause of these is known to be climate.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
ZoWie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:26 pm
Nobody's 100% right. I figure 50% is a good day for me.
Yes, we get warned about a whole lot of things. Computer geeks warned us that a bug in the Unix calendar would end Western civilization on midnight New Year's Eve when the years rolled over from the 1900s to the 2000s. Computers were patched, the time came, and nothing happened.
Here's the problem. You can't get people's attention by calling something a problem. There are too many of these. I would much rather just do defense in depth and make whatever adjustments I deem prudent.
Actually, it wasn't warnings from "experts" that convinced me on climate, any more than I thought Y2K would do us in. It's the weather. It hasn't been normal in a year, pretty much everywhere. It's behaving exactly as one would expect from a system far from equilibrium, and when any system gets that far out, the outcome is rarely predictable but potentially catastrophic. Even that would not be enough to convince me, except that it is happening right on schedule and precisely as we were warned it would happen.
In other words, better safe than sorry. We have some minimal evidence, and whether it's right or wrong is something we can't know yet. Let's spend the money on climate and see what happens. It will create millions of good paying skilled jobs for people right here in the US, and in general it beats spending it all on band-aid solutions like fortifying the border.
The funds and the expertise are there, but there needs to be a dramatic shift in priorities away from fighting over things like whether people should emigrate. We need to address the reasons why millions of people chuck their entire lives and leave home for an uncertain future. No one with a successful life at home is going to do that. One big cause, not the only one, is crop failures, and the direct cause of these is known to be climate.
That’s all nice in theory. But somewhere, somehow we will need to pay for all these priorities and we can’t keep printing money. We can do a whole lot of things in theory and we can propose a lot of wonderful changes as if money wasn’t important and we had no other priorities. But that just isn’t realistic. Part of the problem with our current government is that we have been spending money that way for decades. That’s how and why our debt and deficits are so high. So while we open up our borders to millions and millions of migrants pretending we don’t have any other options and we foot that bill which cost several hundred billion, you proposed we continue that policy and go to a war footing on climate. Where is all this money going to come from? Is that a consideration at all or can we just pretend it that problem doesn’t exist? What are we going to do about climate when the fiscal merry go round stops? How are we to pay for all these things and entitlements.
All this shit costs money. Sometime we are going to have to deal with that reality.
I took economics and I can churn equations regarding money supply and inflation all day long.
Deficit spending seemed like a good idea at the time, but I have to agree that it has taken on some of the more dismal aspects of addiction.
What I favor is spending less money preparing for a war that would end the world if it ever happened, and more on the climate. We could be back in the good old days of Ray Gun's defense boom, which employed a generation. The difference is that we'd be covering our asses this time instead of just building bigger (and instantly obsolete) ways of vaporizing them. Seriously, do we really need another bomber? We seem fine with the ones we have. We've got kids flying B-52s that are older than they are. We need to wean off the defense teat and spend on something that feels like a win-win instead of a lose-lose.
Oh, and can the media gloom and doom stuff about the border. I hate that. It's the worst kind of rabble rousing. It has no political benefit because as long as millions are displaced from their homes, they will keep coming. Beef up security, spend the rest on the roots of the problem, which are international crime and climate.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
ZoWie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:56 pm
I took economics and I can churn equations regarding money supply and inflation all day long.
Deficit spending seemed like a good idea at the time, but I have to agree that it has taken on some of the more dismal aspects of addiction.
What I favor is spending less money preparing for a war that would end the world if it ever happened, and more on the climate. We could be back in the good old days of Ray Gun's defense boom, which employed a generation. The difference is that we'd be covering our asses this time instead of just building bigger (and instantly obsolete) ways of vaporizing them. Seriously, do we really need another bomber? We seem fine with the ones we have. We've got kids flying B-52s that are older than they are. We need to wean off the defense teat and spend on something that feels like a win-win instead of a lose-lose.
Oh, and can the media gloom and doom stuff about the border. I hate that. It's the worst kind of rabble rousing. It has no political benefit because as long as millions are displaced from their homes, they will keep coming. Beef up security, spend the rest on the roots of the problem, which are international crime and climate.
Someone once said men who prefer peace instead of war, prepare for war in times of peace. Until you or anyone else figures out a way to eradicate war and violence, the best way to avoid war in the first place is to be prepared for war. Another person once said, you don’t go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you got. I would much rather deal from a position of strength and superiority than one which is weak and running low on ammo. It’s survival of the fittest. The cheetah doesn’t go after the strong member of the herd, they attack the weak.
As far as the border, we aren’t solving problems. We aren’t addressing any root causes. That’s all BS pumped out of an administration that has sat on their hands for 3 years and watched a manageable problem turn into a big problem. And it isn’t the news media. All you have to do is listen to these mayors and governors of these sanctuary cities and state whine about the problem. All you have to do is look at the strain it’s putting on educational and health care infrastructure. It’s not rabble rousing. It’s reality. The only rousing being done is it’s now starting to cause some people to wake the fuck up. More migrants cross our southern border in the average month than the total allied invasion force that attacked Normandy in June 44. But of course, our border is secure, under control and not a problem. It’s just a bunch of rabble rousers.
He's the same asshole who impeached Bill Clinton a total bully.
Gingrich slams Newsom for ‘personal attacks’ on DeSantis during debate
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich went after Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) on Friday over his recent debate with Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.).
The pair faced off Thursday in a “red vs. blue” debate, pitting the two most high-profile governors against each other. Both landed jabs, but Gingrich paid special attention to Newsom’s performance.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:59 pm
Someone once said men who prefer peace instead of war, prepare for war in times of peace. Until you or anyone else figures out a way to eradicate war and violence, the best way to avoid war in the first place is to be prepared for war. Another person once said, you don’t go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you got. I would much rather deal from a position of strength and superiority than one which is weak and running low on ammo. It’s survival of the fittest. The cheetah doesn’t go after the strong member of the herd, they attack the weak.
As far as the border, we aren’t solving problems. We aren’t addressing any root causes. That’s all BS pumped out of an administration that has sat on their hands for 3 years and watched a manageable problem turn into a big problem. And it isn’t the news media. All you have to do is listen to these mayors and governors of these sanctuary cities and state whine about the problem. All you have to do is look at the strain it’s putting on educational and health care infrastructure. It’s not rabble rousing. It’s reality. The only rousing being done is it’s now starting to cause some people to wake the fuck up. More migrants cross our southern border in the average month than the total allied invasion force that attacked Normandy in June 44. But of course, our border is secure, under control and not a problem. It’s just a bunch of rabble rousers.
Joe, it’s a supply side problem. The corporations use the old Robber Baron mantra - “I can hire half the working class to kill the other half”. There are JOBS here waiting for them, and corporations willing to illegally hire them, because there’s no punishment for them that costs them more than they make hiring them.
And you NEVER talk about THAT root problem. To me, it’s simple. You hire illegals, YOU go to jail. If your corporation hires them, then the CEO goes to jail. So now go run away again.
gounion wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:52 am
Joe, it’s a supply side problem. The corporations use the old Robber Baron mantra - “I can hire half the working class to kill the other half”. There are JOBS here waiting for them, and corporations willing to illegally hire them, because there’s no punishment for them that costs them more than they make hiring them.
And you NEVER talk about THAT root problem. To me, it’s simple. You hire illegals, YOU go to jail. If your corporation hires them, then the CEO goes to jail. So now go run away again.
Look at your last sentence. You make a valid point which I don't agree with. But it is something people could have a reasonable back and forth on.
But, then you throw on your usual bullshit. That is the exact thing Joe called you out on I believe yesterday.
You simply can't help yourself. It seems you must have a huge inferiority complex or something related that makes you just not able to help yourself.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:05 am
Look at your last sentence. You make a valid point which I don't agree with. But it is something people could have a reasonable back and forth on.
But, then you throw on your usual bullshit. That is the exact thing Joe called you out on I believe yesterday.
You simply can't help yourself. It seems you must have a huge inferiority complex or something related that makes you just not able to help yourself.
You’re just pissed that you do it all the time too. You’re the biggest troll on this board. You want liberals that won’t argue back. You want them all to be like the ones they’d let on the Rush Limbaugh show. You want to hold us to rules that you break all the time.
If the kitchen’s too hot, quit whining.
Or make an argument. Go ahead. Explain why you don’t agree. I dare ya.
gounion wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:31 am
You’re just pissed that you do it all the time too. You’re the biggest troll on this board. You want liberals that won’t argue back. You want them all to be like the ones they’d let on the Rush Limbaugh show. You want to hold us to rules that you break all the time.
If the kitchen’s too hot, quit whining.
Or make an argument. Go ahead. Explain why you don’t agree. I dare ya.
As for your troll response no. But, some here like drak consider any difference of opinion to be trolling.
At least you have admitted your trolling in a rare event of you actually telling the truth.
gounion wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:31 am
You’re just pissed that you do it all the time too. You’re the biggest troll on this board. You want liberals that won’t argue back. You want them all to be like the ones they’d let on the Rush Limbaugh show. You want to hold us to rules that you break all the time.
If the kitchen’s too hot, quit whining.
Or make an argument. Go ahead. Explain why you don’t agree. I dare ya.
glen wants people to argue back, that's the point of the trolling. He is baiting people into responding. I've made my time on this board much more civilized by just not reading anything he has to say. I had patiently waited for him to do something to convince me he wasn't just trolling, but it never happened. He may not think he's trolling, but a lot of what he has to say is to provoke people. I'm not one to just accuse people of trolling, I'm more than willing to accept them at face value but my patience has limits.
Now, I'm not going to tell anyone else how to deal with it, people's interactions with him are their own. He may be a perfectly nice individual in person, but I'm not going to judge him beyond what I have seen here. I believe that if everyone here were to meet in person, we'd likely all get along just fine. Except me, I don't get along with anyone . I do feel as though I'm closer to the center than most here. Hard to say. I am vastly more communicative on the internet than in person, exceedingly so. Here, I don't really shut up.
Toonces wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:19 pm
glen wants people to argue back, that's the point of the trolling. He is baiting people into responding. I've made my time on this board much more civilized by just not reading anything he has to say. I had patiently waited for him to do something to convince me he wasn't just trolling, but it never happened. He may not think he's trolling, but a lot of what he has to say is to provoke people. I'm not one to just accuse people of trolling, I'm more than willing to accept them at face value but my patience has limits.
Yes.
First, I’d like to point out that a “difference of opinion” isn’t what I consider trolling or what I’ve stated is trolling. I’ve said a number of times what constitutes trolling, which is in line with what you’ve stated here - and I agree with your approach to it.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"
Toonces wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:19 pm
glen wants people to argue back, that's the point of the trolling. He is baiting people into responding. I've made my time on this board much more civilized by just not reading anything he has to say. I had patiently waited for him to do something to convince me he wasn't just trolling, but it never happened. He may not think he's trolling, but a lot of what he has to say is to provoke people. I'm not one to just accuse people of trolling, I'm more than willing to accept them at face value but my patience has limits.
Now, I'm not going to tell anyone else how to deal with it, people's interactions with him are their own. He may be a perfectly nice individual in person, but I'm not going to judge him beyond what I have seen here. I believe that if everyone here were to meet in person, we'd likely all get along just fine. Except me, I don't get along with anyone . I do feel as though I'm closer to the center than most here. Hard to say. I am vastly more communicative on the internet than in person, exceedingly so. Here, I don't really shut up.
So do you consider GoU to also be trolling as he obviously wants people to argue back as you put it.
The Texas GOP voted against a proposed ban on members associating with Nazi sympathizers
The Texas GOP executive committee voted against a measure that would ban Republicans from associating with Holocaust deniers and Nazi sympathizers.
The committee, by a vote of 32 to 29, removed the clause from a pro-Israel resolution, according to The Texas Tribune. The resolution would have banned members of the party from associating with people who "espouse or tolerate antisemitism, pro-Nazi sympathies or Holocaust denial," according to the outlet.
Like i said George was going to find a different profession outside Congress so.
Santos’s first post-Congress gig: Selling videos on Cameo
Former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) is on to his next job after the House voted to expel him last week: selling videos on Cameo.
The ousted New York Republican — who dubs himself a “Former congressional ‘Icon’” on the platform — is selling personal videos for $200 each. The price of a video was previously $150.
Ex-British officials say Murdoch tabloids hacked them to aid corporate agenda
The Murdoch family's British tabloids hacked the voicemails of thousands of people in the U.K.: Crime victims. War dead. Politicians. Sports stars. Celebrities. All to generate headlines, sell papers and inspire clicks.
Controlling owner Rupert Murdoch has publicly apologized. His larger media empire — which includes Fox News, the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal — has paid out more than a billion dollars in handling the claims and legal fees since 2011.
If any voter in this world plans or considers voting for Trump next year tell me why when he does stupid horrible mind blowing stunts like this.
Trump targets NY judge’s wife and daughter, hours after warning not to threaten safety
Former President Donald Trump targeted the family of a New York judge overseeing his indictment, hours after that same judge warned him not to threaten anyone’s safety.
“This is where we are right now. I have a Trump-hating judge, with a Trump-hating wife and family, whose daughter worked for Kamala Harris and now receives money from the Biden-Harris campaign,” Trump said Tuesday night in a speech at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:05 am
Look at your last sentence. You make a valid point which I don't agree with. But it is something people could have a reasonable back and forth on.
But, then you throw on your usual bullshit. That is the exact thing Joe called you out on I believe yesterday.
You simply can't help yourself. It seems you must have a huge inferiority complex or something related that makes you just not able to help yourself.
You're not here for a reasonable back and forth. You want two sets of rules - well, not really. You want to set us up a set of rules that we cannot break, we must be completely nice to you at all times. But you want NO rules for yourself at all - you want US to play by the rules, and you'll call us on it if we don't, but you want to do whatever you want, all the trolling you want.
To use the metaphor, you want us to come empty handed to a knife fight, while you bring guns.
And I won't do it. You aren't here for a back and forth, because you don't bring facts to the table, ever. You can't have a decent back and forth, because you aren't capable.
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday announced that he will run for re-election in 2024, state media reported.
The announcement follows months of speculation over whether the 71-year-old, who has been in power since 2000, plans to seek six more years in office after constitutional amendments in 2020 reset his term count.
Trump leads Biden in Michigan, Georgia battlegrounds: Surveys
Former President Trump is leading President Biden in the battleground states of Michigan and Georgia, according to new polling.
The CNN polls released Monday found that Trump has a 10-point lead over Biden among Michigan voters despite the sitting president carrying the state in 2020. Fifty percent of Michigan voters said they would support Trump, 40 percent chose Biden and 10 percent said they wouldn’t choose either candidate.
NBC News demands Trump campaign take down fake clip of reporter
NBC News has demanded that Donald Trump’s campaign remove a video that includes audio deceptively edited to seem like it comes from an NBC correspondent after the third presidential debate, two people familiar with the exchange told Semafor.
The video in question, shared by a top Trump adviser, opens with authentic footage of NBC News senior Capitol Hill correspondent Garrett Haake previewing the debate for the network. It soon cuts to video of each candidate as a voiceover — in Haake’s voice — makes disparaging comments about the candidates.
Russia-Ukraine war: Putin says Russian goals in Ukraine are unchanged and there will only be peace when it achieves them – as it happened
Putin begins the press conference by saying that Russia’s sovereignty is under threat and that “the very existence of our country without sovereignty is impossible ... the whole country cannot exist without sovereignty.”
He is quickly given a question about the war in Ukraine, and Pavel Zarubin, a state television anchor, asks: “When will there be peace?”
More proof as to why The old GOP Party is no more.
Colorado Supreme Court justices face a flood of threats after disqualifying Trump from the ballot
In the 24 hours since the Colorado Supreme Court kicked former President Donald Trump off the state's Republican primary ballot, social media outlets have been flooded with threats against the justices who ruled in the case, according to a report obtained by NBC News.
Advance Democracy, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that conducts public interest research, identified "significant violent rhetoric" against the justices and Democrats, often in direct response to Trump's posts about the ruling on his platform Truth Social. They found that some social media users posted justices' email addresses, phone numbers and office building addresses.
I thought The GOP loved supporting cops & respect the rule of law it turns out it's neither.
North Dakota Republican Nico Rios is seen in shocking new bodycam footage hurling homophobic slurs and racist remarks at cops as he's stopped for DUI after leaving Christmas party
A North Dakota lawmaker who serves on a panel that handles law enforcement legislation made homophobic and anti-migrant remarks to a police officer who arrested him on a charge of driving drunk, body camera footage shows.
Republican state Rep. Nico Rios of Williston was also charged with refusing to provide a chemical test.
. I do feel as though I'm closer to the center than most here. Hard to say. I am vastly more communicative on the internet than in person, exceedingly so. Here, I don't really shut up.