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They couldn't see what I thought would be so obvious
They hide behind the laws they made for all of us
The ministry of truth that deals with pretense
The ministry of peace that sits on defense
I'm washing my hands of what they're trying to do
It's for me, it's for me
It's for you, it's for you......

....They live a life of fear and insecurity
And all you do is pay for their prosperity
The ministry of fear that won't let you live
The ministry of grace that doesn't forgive....
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Scumbag

cons here will vote for him if they can, if he ran in their state or for prez

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... DdqB1zlwdg

Sen. Mike Braun (R-IN) endorses overturning Loving v. Virginia, the landmark, unanimous ruling protecting interracial marriage.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1506379010133082113

Scum, and other scum HERE on this board support him
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Glennfs wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 3:32 pm Keep in mind I do not believe that is their intention. But, I do believe that will be the result if progressives ever get unfettered power.
Biden tried to increase spending by 6 trillion dollars and I do not know of even one progressive who opposed the plan.
Well, was that their intention or not? I've told you for years as soon as they get five votes, it's Katy bar the door for everything that had to do with the right to Privacy.

So what is it about privacy the supposed freedom-loving right hate? You guys don't think we have a right to live our private lives as we see fit? You think it's freedom to let the government tell us what we can do in our own home?

And all of you pretend you support gay rights and the right to marry who you choose. But you don't, you'll pretend to be shocked when they tell gays they are no longer married, and they don't have the right to their own sexual behavior with other consenting adults.

You don't want freedom, you want a religious theocracy.
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They want medieval religious doctrines and retrogressive interpretations of scripture enshrined as the law of the land. Keep in mind that most real Bible scholars dismiss a lot of this crap as utter bosh spouted by rabble rousers looking for sheep to follow them, and keep those Dollars Against Demons coming in.

Oh btw glenn, Biden spent money on a health emergency, a climate catastrophe, and a war started by one of your party's favorite foreign oligarchs. Your people spend it on unnecessary oil wars, astoundingly expensive tax breaks, and covert favors for a trans-national billionaire class which then only screws you over and asks for more. Actually, back here in the real world, your people run higher deficits almost as a rule, while continuing to spout nonsense on the all-night truckers' radio about tax and spend liberals, whatever those are. Some kind of fantasy left over from the New Deal era. That's coming up on a century ago, but then your side has always been about 100 years behind.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:25 pm They want medieval religious doctrines and retrogressive interpretations of scripture enshrined as the law of the land. Keep in mind that most real Bible scholars dismiss a lot of this crap as utter bosh spouted by rabble rousers looking for sheep to follow them, and keep those Dollars Against Demons coming in.

Oh btw glenn, Biden spent money on a health emergency, a climate catastrophe, and a war started by one of your party's favorite foreign oligarchs. Your people spend it on unnecessary oil wars and astoundingly expensive tax breaks and covert favors for a trans-national billionaire class which then only screws you over and asks for more. Actually, back here in the real world, your people run higher deficits almost as a rule.
Y'know, Z, since Carter, one thing a Republican President has NEVER done, is to reduce the deficit. They always leave office with a bigger deficit than they entered with.

They scream about it when Dems are in office, and ignore it when Republicans are in office.
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Yup. Been going on too long to be accidental. In real world science, we call that a reproducible result suitable for backing up the evidence returned by intuition and perception.

They balloon up the deficit then blame chimera from the past century, those notorious tax and spend liberals that no longer exist.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:51 pm Yup. Been going on too long to be accidental. In real world science, we call that a reproducible result suitable for backing up the evidence returned by intuition and perception.

They balloon up the deficit then blame chimera from the past century, those notorious tax and spend liberals that no longer exist.
Hartmann calls it the "Santa Claus" syndrome or something. Very clever.

When the goal, on the right, is to take everyting from everyone and you dont care who suffers or who dies, it makes it easier to do, as in if you have no human conscience.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:38 pm Y'know, Z, since Carter, one thing a Republican President has NEVER done, is to reduce the deficit. They always leave office with a bigger deficit than they entered with.

They scream about it when Dems are in office, and ignore it when Republicans are in office.
Since 1929, 92 years, there have been three years where there was neither a deficit nor a surplus, there were 12 years with a surplus, and 77 years with a deficit. In that period, at the end of each presidential term, there was an increase in the deficit.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-p ... de-3306151
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:53 pm Since 1929, 92 years, there have been three years where there was neither a deficit nor a surplus, there were 12 years with a surplus, and 77 years with a deficit. In that period, at the end of each presidential term, there was an increase in the deficit.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-p ... de-3306151
You truly are an idiot. See the end of the Clinton Presidency. We had a surplus, which Bush the 2nd quickly pissed away.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:35 pm You truly are an idiot. See the end of the Clinton Presidency. We had a surplus, which Bush the 2nd quickly pissed away.
He did not have a surplus for the 8 year term. He had a deficit for the full term.

And surplus didn’t happen until republicans took control of congress. And he signed legislation that reduced capital gains taxes to 20%.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:27 am He did not have a surplus for the 8 year term. He had a deficit for the full term.

And surplus didn’t happen until republicans took control of congress. And he signed legislation that reduced capital gains taxes to 20%.
:?

The topic is privacy and freedom, and all you care about is munny and puffing up conservatism?

Okay.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:27 am He did not have a surplus for the 8 year term. He had a deficit for the full term.

And surplus didn’t happen until republicans took control of congress. And he signed legislation that reduced capital gains taxes to 20%.
You need to look at your own link. He turned a surplus over.

And there reason there was a surplus was a tax increase that not one Republican voted for. Plus, you can't say the GOP caused the surplus, as Congress never turned in a budget proposal that was a decrease from the year before. They never decreased spending.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:36 am You need to look at your own link. He turned a surplus over.

And there reason there was a surplus was a tax increase that not one Republican voted for. Plus, you can't say the GOP caused the surplus, as Congress never turned in a budget proposal that was a decrease from the year before. They never decreased spending.
I did misread that $63 billion surplus number. Congressional spending cuts by republicans and increased revenues from profit takers on the capital gains reduction to 20% drove increased revenues. The earlier tax increases had little effect on revenues.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:49 am I did misread that $63 billion surplus number. Congressional spending cuts by republicans and increased revenues from profit takers on the capital gains reduction to 20% drove increased revenues. The earlier tax increases had little effect on revenues.
Congress never cut spending. You obviously misread that too. Spending increased every year.

So, no the GOP had NOTHING to do with the surplus.
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gounion wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 8:28 am Glenn tells us that if the Dems take over, they will destroy the nation. Under Dems, we won't have any freedom.

Of course, history tells us quite differently. FDR saved our nation from revolution, and remade our rights and our economy and won a world war, all against the tide of what the GOP wanted. Even Eisenhower, a nominally Republican President, was an FDR adherent. He supported FDR concepts like labor rights.

However, one of FDR's grave mistakes was not extending those rights to blacks and minorities. That was extended to the incarceration of Japanese-Americans during WW2.

There is a public sphere and a private sphere. The public sphere, where we do business and organize together, is what must be regulated. The economy and business must have rules that everyone abides by. Business should not have human rights under the Constitution, but the Supreme Court has given them that.

But there is the private sphere. What people do in their private lives. Like most Democrats, progressives, liberals, whatever you wish to call us - I accept all these titles (though the one I embrace the most is the title of Trade Unionist), I strongly believe the most important right as an American is to live my personal life as I chose. Inside my home, and who I live with and who I love is not the government's business. Also, I have the right to my own body and personal decisions thereof.

The only caveat there should be is that it is among consenting adults. The state has the duty to protect children and adult who do not consent. There goes the right to own slaves, which I think many conservatives still want to have.

I believe there is an inherit right in the Constitution for the right to privacy. The word meant different things when the document was written, but the Founding Fathers did not believe the government had the right to go into a person's home and regulate their lives there.

But the GOP and the right does NOT believe there is a right to privacy. They believe the government can tell you who you can marry, who you can love, what consenting adults you can have sex with, make your medical decisions for you (yes, even whether to sterilize you against your will or not), whether you can legally buy contraceptives or not (even if you are married, so they're making the decision for you in procreation, too), and even what race of person you can marry.

They are against each and every case in this nation that was decided based upon the concept that you have a right to privacy in this nation.

And that's where the battle lines are drawn. The right to privacy is the right I'm fighting for.

As the old labor anthem laments, which side are YOU on?

https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/26/amer ... derstands/

Check out this factual oped.
Also, I do not believe that is the goal of the left but, what I believe will happen if the left had the unfettered power they crave.
All, we need do is look at places ran by liberals.
San Francisco
Chicago
New York City
Washington DC
And many more

FDR did not save our nation from revolution that is your opinion.
Also, the new deal was a failure and did nothing to end the great depression. Prior to WWII unemployment averaged well.over 15pct.
What made FDR a great president [unless you were Asian or Black] was how he guided our country through WWII.
I don't think anyone else could have done a better job
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:53 am https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/26/amer ... derstands/

Check out this factual oped.
Also, I do not believe that is the goal of the left but, what I believe will happen if the left had the unfettered power they crave.
All, we need do is look at places ran by liberals.
San Francisco
Chicago
New York City
Washington DC
And many more
What about the shithole states ran by Republicans?

But yes, we know which side you're on. The side that murders abortion doctors.

And the side that will condemn women with eptopic pregnancies (2 percent of all pregnancies) to death.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:56 am What about the shithole states ran by Republicans?

But yes, we know which side you're on. The side that murders abortion doctors.

And the side that will condemn women with eptopic pregnancies (2 percent of all pregnancies) to death.
No, I’m very much in favor of codifying abortion rights through congressional legislation.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:02 am No, I’m very much in favor of codifying abortion rights through congressional legislation.
No, you're for banning abortion and imprisoning anyone who feels differently.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:05 am No, you're for banning abortion and imprisoning anyone who feels differently.
You’re , as usual, irrational and wrong. But that’s as expected.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 am You’re , as usual, irrational and wrong. But that’s as expected.
I'm not the one pretending that the current Supreme Court isn't bent on overturning a century of decisions.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:53 am Also, the new deal was a failure and did nothing to end the great depression.
You're entitled to this opinion. You've stated it many times.

I've also pointed to some very eminent, and not intrinsically partisan, historians who disagree with you.

Here's another:
https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/po ... hgreat.htm

You are free to keep ignoring their work, as always I point this out for the intellectually open and honest.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:10 am I'm not the one pretending that the current Supreme Court isn't bent on overturning a century of decisions.
They even say they are.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:53 am https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/26/amer ... derstands/

Check out this factual oped.
:lol:

A factual op-ed from a site run by Claremont Institute people. Really? Okay.

https://amgreatness.com/meet-the-team/

Claremont Institute - Wikipedia
The Claremont Institute is a conservative think tank based in Upland, California. The institute was founded in 1979 by four students of Harry V. Jaffa.[3] It produces the Claremont Review of Books, The American Mind, and other publications.

The institute was an early defender of Donald Trump.[3] After Joe Biden won the 2020 election and Donald Trump refused to concede while making claims of fraud, Claremont Institute senior fellow John Eastman aided Trump in his failed attempts to overturn the election results.[4][5] In 2021, the Claremont Institute published an essay written by one of its senior fellows which called for a "counter-revolution" against the "majority of people living in the United States today [who] can no longer be considered fellow citizens".
Nice "facts" you got here, Forced Childbirth Guy.
Also, I do not believe that is the goal of the left but, what I believe will happen if the left had the unfettered power they crave.
All, we need do is look at places ran ...
Run.

Learn how to speak English.
... by liberals.
San Francisco
Former mayor: 1 of 2 senators from this state
Former mayor: governor of this state
Former DA: current VP
My rep: Speaker of the House. She was in SF Pride yesterday, by the way.
What made FDR a great president [unless you were Asian or Black]
By the time FDR took office, the entire country had been firmly white-supremacist in its laws, military policies, social customs, federal facilities and programs, and this was backed up by cops to enforce white supremacism, and white-supremacist vigilantism.

But thanks for noticing.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:53 am https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/26/amer ... derstands/

Check out this factual oped.
:?

Just a few fun "facts" from this "factual oped":
Certainly, we can afford to restructure all our universities, eliminate free expression and speech, and institute Maoist cultural revolutionary fervor in our revered institutions of higher learning—once the world’s greatest levers of scientific advancement and technological progress.
:?
We can easily survive an Afghanistan, and our utter and complete military humiliation. There was no problem in abandoning some $70-80 billion in military loot to terrorists. Who cares that we tossed off a billion-dollar new embassy, and jettisoned a $300-million refitted air base, as long as our pride flags were waving in Kabul?
:?

What pride flags were waving in Kabul?
Our major cities are no longer safe. Somehow, the Left has nearly wrecked San Francisco in less than a decade. A once beautiful and vibrant city is lawless, dirty, toxic, often boarded up, and losing population. It has turned into a medieval keep of well-protected knights in secure fiefs while everyone else is engaged in a bellum omnium contra omnes.
This person has clearly never visited this city, let alone lived here. It shows.

This isn't a "factual oped," it's a ridiculous polemic from an obscure rightwing nutjob website funded by RevContent ads. :? :problem:
About Victor Davis Hanson

Victor Davis Hanson is a distinguished fellow of the Center for American Greatness and the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. He is an American military historian, columnist, a former classics professor, and scholar of ancient warfare. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College since 2004. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush. Hanson is also a farmer (growing raisin grapes on a family farm in Selma, California) and a critic of social trends related to farming and agrarianism. He is the author most recently of The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won, The Case for Trump and the newly released The Dying Citizen.
:lol: Hillsdale College is one of this country's most whackodoodle rightwing educational institutions, even worse than Bob Jones U.

Hillsdale College - Hillsdale College, wiki
21st century

Larry P. Arnn has served as president of the college since 2000.[34] Under his tenure, the college completed various new buildings, including the John A. Halter Shooting Sports Center and Margot V. Biermann Athletic Center.[35] The college also opened the Allan P. Kirby, Jr. Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship, an off-campus educational center in Washington, D.C.[36] Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, ran the Washington center's speaker series.[37]
So where are these "facts" in this "factual oped" you're on about?
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:02 am ... codifying ...
You guys really need to dump this term.
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