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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:40 pm Yeah, you guys are screaming about "grooming" in the schools, while the REAL problem, we now learn, is in the church.

But you are ONLY concerned about the schools, things that hardly every happen and are already illegal. But now you can't say the word "gay". Wow. The kids are safe now, aren't they?

Did you think storks delivered babies until you were 18, Joe?
I haven’t mentioned grooming. Further, this law is about public schools. The other shit you brought up is just whataboutery and we all know how folks feel about whataboutery around here.

If you need to know where babies come from, talk to the professor. Maybe he can explain it at your level. I don’t care to explain it to you anymore than I care to explain it to a eight year old.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:50 pm I haven’t mentioned grooming. Further, this law is about public schools. The other shit you brought up is just whataboutery and we all know how folks feel about whataboutery around here.

If you need to know where babies come from, talk to the professor. Maybe he can explain it at your level. I don’t care to explain it to you anymore than I care to explain it to a eight year old.
The point is that kids actually know about sex, so gag orders are pretty goddamned stupid, but you don't care do you?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:00 pmWhy not investigate all child abuse regardless of where it occurs and regardless of whether the abuser is a trusted teacher or a trusted preacher?
All abusers matter.
Or do you still what to only investigate the one who doesn’t carry a union card?
You are a psycho, joking about this topic and using molested kids to take a swipe at the guy you're obsessed with.
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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:51 pm The point is that kids actually know about sex, so gag orders are pretty goddamned stupid, but you don't care do you?
My grandchildren have no idea where babies come from they range in age 3 to 8.
My children had no idea where babies came from until they were around 10.
So no children do not know nor do they need to know about adult sexuality at that young an age.
Here is an idea how about we allow children to be innocent and children for as long as possible.
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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:51 pm The point is that kids actually know about sex, so gag orders are pretty goddamned stupid, but you don't care do you?
If they already know then they don’t need discussion and instruction from you or someone like you.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:54 pm My grandchildren have no idea where babies come from they range in age 3 to 8.
My children had no idea where babies came from until they were around 10.
So no children do not know nor do they need to know about adult sexuality at that young an age.
Here is an idea how about we allow children to be innocent and children for as long as possible.
You THINK they didn't know. Kids today know.

They know far more than you think they do. I guess you don't remember being a kid.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:50 pm I haven’t mentioned grooming.
Your unoriginal idea that "discussions about sex with 8 year olds" "damagaes their psyche" is the language of grooming used to propagandize you.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:55 pm If they already know then they don’t need discussion and instruction from you or someone like you.
Someone like me?

I'm not a teacher.

Now we're getting to the part where you go fucking nuts and start going off the rails like you have so many times in the past, without any discussion but nutcase allegations.

So now you're making accusations that I'm some kind of molester?
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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:56 pm You THINK they didn't know. Kids today know.

They know far more than you think they do. I guess you don't remember being a kid.
So how many children and grandchildren do you have. I have 3 and 5 respectively.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:54 pm Here is an idea how about we allow children to be innocent and children for as long as possible.
Be nice if they didn't have to do all these active shooter drills.

BTW, the person who used the word "grooming" was Guv. DeStupid's spokesman, when explaining why Florida's law was necessary.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:54 pm My grandchildren have no idea where babies come from they range in age 3 to 8.
:?

And you know another person's mind, how, exactly.
My children had no idea where babies came from until they were around 10.
And you're certain of this, because...
So no children do not know nor do they need to know about adult sexuality at that young an age.
?

That's not for you to decide.
Here is an idea how about we allow children to be innocent and children for as long as possible.
Knowing about sex and sexuality has no bearing on "innocence," unless you believe -- as many conservative perverts do -- that sex ruins people and makes them guilty of something.

This is Original Sin and Eve and the Apple Tree theology in action, and why it's so damaging not just to kids but to societies that use it to repress others.
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:57 pm Your unoriginal idea that "discussions about sex with 8 year olds" "damagaes their psyche" is the language of grooming used to propagandize you.
The whole “damage the psyche” concept came from a article posted by the Prof. If you don’t like it the take it up with him. Wasn’t a concept I introduced.
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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:58 pm Someone like me?

I'm not a teacher.

Now we're getting to the part where you go fucking nuts and start going off the rails like you have so many times in the past, without any discussion but nutcase allegations.

So now you're making accusations that I'm some kind of molester?
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:57 pm Your unoriginal idea that "discussions about sex with 8 year olds" "damagaes their psyche" is the language of grooming used to propagandize you.
The notion that teachers are qualified to discuss sexuality with children who still believe in Santa is ridiculous.

Again would you want the teacher who is an evangelical Christian discussing homosexuality with your 7 year old. I know I wouldn't.
There is absolutely zero reason for teachers to discuss adult relationships with children K through 3.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:58 pm So how many children and grandchildren do you have. I have 3 and 5 respectively.
As you know, I have none. So are you saying I shouldn't be allowed in this discussion?

Think hard before you answer.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:01 pmPTK
What does that mean?
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carmenjonze wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:00 pm :?

And you know another person's mind, how, exactly.



And you're certain of this, because...



?

That's not for you to decide.



Knowing about sex and sexuality has no bearing on "innocence," unless you believe -- as many conservative perverts do -- that sex ruins people and makes them guilty of something.

This is Original Sin and Eve and the Apple Tree theology in action, and why it's so damaging not just to kids but to societies that use it to repress others.
How many children and grandchildren do you have
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 7:58 pm So how many children and grandchildren do you have. I have 3 and 5 respectively.
:?

You use your own grandchildren as stick figures and props. Now you're using them in irrelevant rank-pulling.

I knew about my own sexuality by the time I was 5, what does either anecdote have to do with anything.

You and that other conservative idiot still haven't looked at what an actual parent's group, PFLAG, has to say about this law.

Why not?
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:01 pm The notion that teachers are qualified to discuss sexuality with children who still believe in Santa is ridiculous.

Again would you want the teacher who is an evangelical Christian discussing homosexuality with your 7 year old. I know I wouldn't.
There is absolutely zero reason for teachers to discuss adult relationships with children K through 3.
No one is having those discussions at schools. You have to make something up to make up these laws.

But they are sure as hell discussion homosexuality every fucking Sunday in these churches.
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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:02 pm As you know, I have none. So are you saying I shouldn't be allowed in this discussion?

Think hard before you answer.
No but I am saying you have no first hand knowledge and probably haven't spent much time with children under age 10 in quite a while.
Sex and sexuality does not cross their minds.
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gounion wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:02 pm What does that mean?
Pot to kettle
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gounion wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 8:57 pm So where is your denouncements of the GOP’s attacks on teachers? The Florida law? I didn’t see them, could you point them out to me?
Well they aren’t attacking teachers. Not a remotely bad thing is said about teachers in the legislation.

And aside from some protection of parents and students rights most of the law has fundamental definitional problems that make it unenforceable. A bit too vague for most judges.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:03 pm How many children and grandchildren do you have
When's the last time you were a queer or trans kindergarterner in public school?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:00 pm The whole “damage the psyche” concept came from a article posted by the Prof.
Find the quote and link it.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 8:01 pm The notion that teachers are qualified to discuss sexuality with children who still believe in Santa is ridiculous.
I never believed in Santa.
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