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Glennfs wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:53 pm Any segregation we have in our country today is voluntary not forced.
You having a connection with Buffalo I know this hits you much harder than it normally would.
You have my condolences and I really don't want to say much about this shooting at this time.
Because I believe no matter what I say will be misconstrued.
So all I will say is all these shootings are just horrible but at this point in time I've yet to see any solution.
First thing would be for people like Tucker Carlson to stop his white supremacist bullshit. He's ASKING for this kind of outcome. If you're telling people the white race will be overrun, some people will believe him and try to stop it.

This is terrorism, pure and simple. But your side won't ever say a word to condemn it.
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gounion wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:56 pm First thing would be for people like Tucker Carlson to stop his white supremacist bullshit. He's ASKING for this kind of outcome. If you're telling people the white race will be overrun, some people will believe him and try to stop it.

This is terrorism, pure and simple. But your side won't ever say a word to condemn it.
Except he never said those things
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Glennfs wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:57 pm Except he never said those things
Yes, Glenn, he did. And here you say you never watched his show.

So you defend Carlson as innocent and non-racist. Yet the Anti-Defamation League, a favorite organization of yours, says differently.

Why are you defending him?
The Anti-Defamation League is once again calling for Fox News personality Tucker Carlson's ousting.

The "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host is under fire from the organization battling antisemitism and other types of hate for his recent comments on "The Great Replacement" theory.

"It cannot be overstated enough," ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt tweeted Friday. "For @TuckerCarlson, host of one of the most watched news programs in the country, to use his platform as a megaphone to spread the toxic and xenophobic 'Great Replacement' theory, is repugnant and a dangerous abuse of power."

"A reminder: 'The Great Replacement' theory and its racist and xenophobic roots have served as the inspiration for multiple mass shootings and deadly attacks," the official Twitter account for ADL shared the same day.
Fox News host Tucker Carlson is confused as to why the Anti-Defamation League is weighing on his comments regarding "The Great Replacement" theory.
And yes, you just don't want to say much. You want to stand mute against this terrorism. Yet you SCREAM at anything from the left.

What a rank hypocrite.
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It's also still not too soon to ask why anybody, esp. 18 year olds with a troubled past and a history of threats, have such easy and unfettered access to military grade weaponry.

BTW: it looks like he had three weapons with him, a shotgun, a hunting rifle, and the Bushmaster XM-15 semi-auto; but did his killing entirely with the latter. He also was wearing a military helmet along with body armor. Oh yes, this young man came armed for war.

Incidentally, one white person in the store says he pointed the gun at him, looked at him, said "oops," and moved on to another victim, in case his motivations weren't clear.

This is at Wiki already:
Gendron is reported to have written a 180-page manifesto released prior to the shooting, primarily concerning the topic of mass immigration, promoting the white nationalist far-right "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory of Renaud Camus, that whites are being subject to genocide through decreasing white birth rates.[3] The manifesto claims the Jews to be responsible for non-white immigration, and that non-whites would overwhelm and wipe out the white race[29] and expressed support for Dylann Roof and Brenton Tarrant.[3][30] The author wrote that he adopted these ideological stances after visiting /pol/ on 4chan beginning in May 2020, at around the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.[3][31][32] He also wrote that he started planning the attack in January 2022, and targeted Buffalo because it was the city with the most black residents that was closest to his home.[14][17]
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Glennfs wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:53 pm Any segregation we have in our country today is voluntary not forced.
You having a connection with Buffalo I know this hits you much harder than it normally would.
You have my condolences and I really don't want to say much about this shooting at this time.
Because I believe no matter what I say will be misconstrued.
So all I will say is all these shootings are just horrible but at this point in time I've yet to see any solution.
What are you responding to my post for, except to minimize what happened to my relatives’ neighborhood at the hands of YET ANOTHER white conservative male.

Save your condolences, because you guys have NEVER been sorry for the ways you’ve ravaged this country.
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Glenn, go to the Brietbart story on the shooting and read the 5,000 comments, then tell me the right isn’t racist as hell.
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Glennfs is a radicalized extremist, inundated with decades of mandatory white nationalism as the law, and white supremacism as his culture.

Then, the past two additional decades the Drudge/tea party/Breitbart/Trump-Carlson-QAnon GOP internet.

They don’t all mass murder, but they also don’t all wear white sheets, either.
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The one word conservatives will not use to describe this shooter is "thug."
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BTW, it is now mid-May of 2022, and the U.S. has already seen 198 mass shootings, as of this one.
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gounion wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 1:21 pm Yes, Glenn, he did. And here you say you never watched his show.

So you defend Carlson as innocent and non-racist. Yet the Anti-Defamation League, a favorite organization of yours, says differently.

Why are you defending him?



And yes, you just don't want to say much. You want to stand mute against this terrorism. Yet you SCREAM at anything from the left.

What a rank hypocrite.



He doesn't want to talk about it because he is a racist redneck MAGAT coward, who believes, like the rest of the MAGATS, that the only problem with the shooting is that he didn't kill enough of those brown people!
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bengal59 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:43 pm He doesn't want to talk about it because he is a racist redneck MAGAT coward, who believes, like the rest of the MAGATS, that the only problem with the shooting is that he didn't kill enough of those brown people!
Segegation t-shirt guy is going to lecture me about segregation.

These white supremacists have more nerve...
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The Trucker Says:Except he never said those things

It's not that White Trucker Guy is a liar.....its that he is a bad liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnBduzGRtHU.

F * * * * * starts his rant at 52-Second Mark.
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1 killed, 5 hurt in church shooting in Orange County, California; 1 person detained, authorities say

ORANGE COUNTY, Calif. -- One person was killed and five more were hurt in a California church shooting, authorities said.

Dispatch received call of a shooting at Geneva Presbyterian Church in Laguna Woods at 1:26 p.m., the Orange County Sheriff's Department.

https://6abc.com/orange-county-church-s ... /11853912/
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California Church Goers Detained Gunman In Deadly Attack,

https://apnews.com/article/religion-sho ... 838824a567.

LAGUNA WOODS, Calif. (AP) — A man who opened fire during a lunch reception at a Southern California church on Sunday was detained by parishioners, according to a sheriff’s official who called their intervention an act of “exceptional heroism and bravery.”

One person was killed and four others were critically wounded at Geneva Presbyterian Church in the city of Laguna Woods, Orange County Sheriff’s Department officials said.

The suspect in the shooting, an Asian man in his 60s, was in custody and deputies recovered two handguns at the scene, Undersheriff Jeff Hallock said. A motive for the shooting wasn’t immediately known but investigators don’t believe the gunman lives in the community, Hallock said.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:53 pm Any segregation we have in our country today is voluntary not forced.
And yet the mass murder, Confederate flaggery, mass propaganda, and regressive GOP after regressive GOP policy continues.

You’re a perpetrator of at least three of the four.
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2 dead, 3 hurt in shooting at Houston flea market

Two people are dead and three others are hurt from a shooting at a Houston flea market, where thousands of people were shopping on a busy Sunday, the Harris County Sheriff's Office said.

The shooting appeared to stem from an altercation between five men, according to the sheriff's office.

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Number6 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:46 pm The one word conservatives will not use to describe this shooter is "thug."
...or what the shooter is: "colleague."
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gounion wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 1:21 pm Yes, Glenn, he did. And here you say you never watched his show.

So you defend Carlson as innocent and non-racist. Yet the Anti-Defamation League, a favorite organization of yours, says differently.

Why are you defending him?



And yes, you just don't want to say much. You want to stand mute against this terrorism. Yet you SCREAM at anything from the left.

What a rank hypocrite.
He was specifically speaking about how the democratic party wants free thinkers who are on elected or leadership positions replaced with people like you.
Who never question or oppose anything put forth by the left.
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bengal59 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:43 pm He doesn't want to talk about it because he is a racist redneck MAGAT coward, who believes, like the rest of the MAGATS, that the only problem with the shooting is that he didn't kill enough of those brown people!
No I don't want to talk about it because it is a sensitive subject and any disagreement no matter how minor with CJ will be considered support for the shooter.

Who btw was not a conservative or a Republican or a member of any group or organization.
Just a fucked up person who committed a terrible crime who should be put to death.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 7:09 am He was specifically speaking about how the democratic party wants free thinkers who are on elected or leadership positions replaced with people like you.
No.

What is ‘Great Replacement Theory?’ Tucker Carlson, Elise Stefanik scrutinized after Buffalo shooting
https://www.syracuse.com/state/2022/05/ ... oting.html

NEW YORK (AP) — A racist ideology seeping from the Internet’s fringes into the mainstream is being investigated as a motivating factor in the Tops supermarket shooting that killed 10 people in Buffalo, New York. Most of the victims were Black.

[snip]

Simply put, it says there’s a conspiracy afoot to diminish the influence of white people.

Believers say this goal is being achieved both through immigration of nonwhite people into societies that have largely been dominated by white people, as well as through simple demographics, with white people having lower birth rates than others.

The theory’s more racist adherents believe Jews are behind the so-called replacement conspiracy. When white supremacists marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, their chants included “you will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us.”

A more mainstream view in the U.S. suggests Democrats are encouraging immigration from Latin America so more like-minded potential voters replace “traditional” Americans, said Mark Pitcavage, senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism.

[snip]

In a poll released last week, The Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that about 1 in 3 Americans believe an effort is underway to replace U.S.-born Americans with immigrants for electoral gain.

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In particular, Tucker Carlson, Fox News’ most popular personality, has pushed false but more politically palatable views that are seen as sympathetic by some white people who are concerned about a loss of power.

“I know that the left and all the gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term ‘replacement,’ if you suggest the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots, with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World,” he said on his show last year. “But they become hysterical because that’s what’s happening, actually, let’s just say it. That’s true.”

A study of five years’ worth of Carlson’s show by The New York Times found 400 instances where he talked about Democratic politicians and others seeking to force demographic change through immigration.

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Pitcavage said he’s concerned about the message Carlson and some who agree with him are sending. “It actually introduces the Great Replacement Theory to a conservative audience in an easier-to-swallow pill,” he said.

[snip][end]

Carlson is claiming Democrats want to bring in more people from "the Third World" (quote) in order to replace white voters in the U.S., and that is, basically, the replacement theory. Those are his own words.

BTW, "Third World" people (I assume he mostly means Mexicans, maybe some Central Americans) don't all automatically vote Democratic, he seems to be claiming people from other parts of the world are somehow dumber and easier to control and this is why they are being 'imported,' and not wanting to build a useless Wall or supporting comprehensive immigration reform doesn't mean you have some "plan" to bring more of them into the country to "replace" its existing voters.

If 1 in 3 voters accept this belief, it is not a small minuscule group of people.
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Teenager gunned down near Chicago tourist attraction

CHICAGO (AP) — A 16-year-old boy was fatally shot near “The Bean” sculpture in downtown Chicago's Millennium Park, authorities said.

Police said the teen was shot in the chest at about 7:30 p.m. Saturday near the popular tourist attraction. Police have not yet identified the boy.

https://www.aol.com/news/16-old-boy-fat ... 34776.html
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But, there's a gazillion people with guns in America, and only a few of them do mass shootings, so ... "don't worry, be happy". "nothing to see here". :roll:

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Where was this young man radicalized?

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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 7:09 am He was specifically speaking about how the democratic party wants free thinkers who are on elected or leadership positions replaced with people like you.
Who never question or oppose anything put forth by the left.
No, he's not, Glenn.

But you'll defend the racism of the right, won't you?
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 7:13 am No I don't want to talk about it because it is a sensitive subject and any disagreement no matter how minor with CJ will be considered support for the shooter.
I could really not care less whether or not you "support the shooter." That was not at all the issue I took with your post.

You padded your condolences with a lecture about segregation being "voluntary," which is one of the most offensive and pernicious lies you've promoted about segregation that I've read from you.

Buffalo, like Detroit, like Chicago, like New Orleans, like Los Angeles, and every other urban area in this country is a one of many excellent examples of how starkly segregated cities in this country work. Race-based stratification there, as elsewhere, has resulted from centuries of law and policy choices.

When my parents moved from Buffalo to Callifornia in 1965, they ran head-on into Ronald Reagan's white-supremacist gubernatorial campaign to rescind the Rumford Act, and re-segregate housing in California by race.

Governor-Elect Seeks Repeal Of Rumford Open Housing Act - Madera Tribune, 1966

Don't ever lecture me about segregation, again.
Who btw was not a conservative or a Republican or a member of any group or organization.
Just a fucked up person who committed a terrible crime who should be put to death.
He's another mass-murdering white supremacist conservative male.

They typically are.
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